One of the obvious gaps in the information about vintage Citizens is a comprehensive summary of the movements they used in their model range. Conversely, a table showing the movements used in Seiko’s has been available for some time, and is a great tool for seeing how the movements were developed over time and what were the key dates in the history of the brand.
A movement table is invaluable for collectors in identifying old watches correctly, since it can show, for example: jewel count; whether or not day and date windows will be present; and what speed the watch runs at – beats per hour. After a fair bit of research, particularly gathering reliable reference material, I have been able to put together a movement table, covering the period 1931 to 1980. Importantly, it’s always work in progress since new information will be added as it becomes available – the table has had several revisions so far.
The table is laid out in chronological order, earliest first – follow the link below. And I’ve tried to cover the models used with each movement so that key dial markings are available as well as movement number or name.
And finally, you can find at the end of the table a page on how to date a particular model where there is a serial number stamped on the case back – Citizen started to do this more consistently from about 1960.
If you have any information that could be added, or which would amend the existing table, please let me know, I am more than happy to revise it!
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I’ve checked your table for an ladies watch I bought (for mother) in 1972, but can’t identify the movement. I’m particularly interested because 40 years on it still keeps remarkable time.
It’s a Day/Date automatic bracelet watch and the markings on the back are as follows:
Citizen
4-6602256-K
Para water
Stainless steel
01100889
64-3572
GN-4-S
The face reads:
28800
21 Jewels
Any help gratefully received
Regards
Brian
Hi Brian – I’m pleased to tell you that your watch is in the Movement Table in fact, although your question has alerted me to an error it! For which I must thank you 🙂
What makes yours difficult to find in the Table is that from your description the dial does not have the model name on it – it’s a ‘Cosmostar V2’. You’ll find it on page 8 of the Table – the error I’ve made (just a typo I think) is that I’ve put the movement number as 6900 when it should be 6600.
The Cosmostar V2 automatics – there was an earlier Cosmostar hand winding model too – was first made in 1970 and is a fine little movement. It runs at 28,800 beats per hour, so it’s a ‘high beat’ model reflecting a good quality movement that will be capable of very good time-keeping.
Thanks for providing all the information from the case back, this is what the numbers mean:
4-6602256-K is the case number, and on this one the 6602 tells us the movement number (the movement number should also be stamped on the movement itself, near the balance wheel),
64-3572 is the watch model number,
GN-4-S is a code for the type of case, to aid in servicing, and is typical of a waterproof (‘Parawater’) model,
01100889 is the serial number and this tells us that it was the 889th watch to be made in November 1970.
I have a catalog from 1971 which shows a number of Cosmostar V2 models, but not yours I’m afraid.
I’m impressed but not that surprised that the watch has run well for 40+ years – has it been used and serviced regularly in that time?
Best regards,
Stephen
A little addendum – just noticed as well that I hadn’t noted in the Movement Table that the Cosmostars were made as automatics and hand winding, so that’s another edit for the next revision. That will not have helped you to find your watch Brian, apologies for that. I’m wondering now whether the hand winder may have been the 6900 movement – I have one of those so I must check.
Piecing together the data on vintage Citizens is one of the reasons I enjoy collecting them!
Hi Brian,
Thankyou for a most informative site, I believe I have a Cosmostar v2 details are
6600
4-660102-k
6a-3637
on the face it says
Citizen
Automatic
28800
21 Jewels
It has a blue face, day and date
…and it runs like a dream
Regards
Paul
Melbourne Australia
…happy to send you a few shots
Hi Paul,
glad you have found the blog useful. Brian’s story about his mother’s watch was a testament to the reliability and quality of Citizen’s high beat movements.
I have a couple of the Cosmostars, an automatic ‘V2’ (see here: https://sweep-hand.org/2011/05/08/a-little-story-about-reliability-accuracy/) and a hand wind version ‘Cosmostar Date’ – don’t see so many of these. Here’s a page from the 1973 catalog, showing some of the V2 models, including one with the same case number (4-660102) as yours:
Stephen
Now i really enjoy to collect old Citizen watch, cause lately i found where to buy cheap vintage Citizen especially ladies model, if I could show you the watch picture here, how wonderful it would be for us to share it together, i bought it 19usd with fully completed part including bracelet with CITIZEN emblem at clasp, crown CTZ and all. What i mean is Citizen Automatic 28000 21 jewels with day date and sunburst white clean dial at first glance it looks like a Leopard but only the Leopard Logo is missing 😜😂. Caseback Citizen 6600 4-660854 TA Water Resistant, before that i’ve one Cosmostarv2 with stamped Parawater, thanks Stephen your blog make me feel, but im really miss new content from you. Have nice day all and stay safe from Covid19 from Malaysia Citizen 🤝
Mine r
4-R0203946
30403946
The bottom No is 04/03/94
When it was made Im just not familiar with the top. Could you pls help. Jase Whitehand
Hi Jase, thanks for visiting my blog. ‘4-R0203946’ is the case number, but I can’t find any info using that number. The number does seem too long, so can you please double check that this is the correct number – thank you. Stephen
Hi Brian
This is Vahid. today i searched my mum watches on internet and found this page. i read your story. it was amazing. when my mum started her working in 1976, she bought this watch with her first salary. follow me in https://www.facebook.com/vahid.rahimi.102 and share your story with me. cheers, Vahid 🙂
Hi Vahid, thanks for visiting my blog. I don’t know if Brian follows the blog, but I hope he sees your comment 🙂
Stephen
Steven,
Many thanks. I already checked the table earlier and decided it must be a Cosmostar. Thanks for the confirmation. To answer your question. No, it has never been serviced. Mother did replace the original bracelet with an expanding one (Spiedel) after it failed. Unfortunately she threw it away!
I’m just amazed it still keeps such remarkable time. I’ve monitored it now for the last three days against my ‘atomic’ clock. It’s within a couple of seconds…fairly gobsmacking I think you’ll agree.
I shall have to get it serviced soon. There is a problem with the winding crown, and the Hardlex crystal is badly etched. So much so, I wonder what she was doing with it all those years!
Much obliged
Brian
Postscript:
Yes, she wore it since 1972 every day and only replaced it a couple of years ago with a Tissot Quartz job. Looks nice but not a ‘real’ watch..
That reminds me. I bought my kid sister a similar-looking Seiko at the same time, I wonder if she still has it? She wasn’t keen on the style I remember her saying some years ago. I shall have to try and retrieve it!
Brian,
thanks for the information about your mother’s watch – it is incredible to think that it has run faultlessly and is still so accurate for 35+ years of daily use & without a service! The usual advice with higher beat watches is to service them regularly and more frequently, perhaps once every three to five years because of the likelihood of increased wear caused by the higher speed……
Hey mate, great site.
I have a ladies gold-plated Citizen watch, the markings on the back are as follows:
GP
Citizen
4-0I0035 YO
7093317
66-2753
Can you please tell me ANYTHING about it? 🙂
Thanks, Alisa
Hi Alisa, thanks for your comment and question. Unfortunately vintage ladies’ watches are poorly documented, and it’s very difficult to find anything much about them. Although I don’t have a reference for your particular model, from the case number (4-010035) and the model number (66-2753) my best guess is that yours is likely to use the 0150 or 0153 movement, or something very similar from that movement group. I’ve got the 0153 listed in the Movement Table, but only as a 21 jewel model – it was also made with 17 jewels, which I’ve yet to add to the Table. How many jewels are shown the dial of yours?
The 0150/3 is a hand wind movement, and was first produced around 1975. The serial number of yours shows production in September 1977.
This link will take you to an on-line movement archive showing the 0153, which also refers to the other movement numbers in that ‘family’: http://www.ranfft.de/cgi-bin/bidfun-db.cgi?10&ranfft&&2uswk&Citizen_0150
Hope this is of some use.
hi sir.. i want to know about citizen alarm date diver 1971.. how can i know some information about movement, no of production, year of production etc?
best regards,
chemmy samudra
Hi Chemmy, thanks for your question. I’ve done a reply on the Hand Winders page,
Stephen
hi steven,
i believe i have an early lower end quarts “citizen tachymeter”, not on your table – which is very nice by the way – cant seem to cross referance, if you have an idea please let me know , thanks ROB C. (my best guess is sept. 1971, and 5877th made ??)
as on back plate:
CITIZEN WATCH CO.
WATER RESIST
BASE METAL YP
6100 – S15877 SMG
0080325D
GN – 4 – S > 5
( MOVEMENT # 6100A
Hi Robert – I’m afraid my Movement Table doesn’t include any quartz models, my collection and research has only covered mechanical, electro-mechanical and tuning fork watches up to the late 1970’s when quartz technology took off.
I think the serial number on yours is ‘0080325′, which would indicate production in August 1980 (I don’t know how long the 6100 movement was in production, so could even be 1990). I don’t think it will be as early as 1970/71 since quartz watches at that time were still new and were seen as ‘high end’, with high prices to match. Once mass production was established prices came down quickly, and a mass market was established.
Hope this is of some use – for info here is a link to the technical guide for the 6100 movement: http://www.citizenwatch.com/downloads/techguides/6100.pdf
Regards,
Stephen
when does this citizen watch establish model no 4-281101 KT 10403115 GN-4-S 71-2558
Hi Muhammad – I’m afraid I haven’t got any references for that model and case number. It may be more recent than the period I cover. Have you any pics you could link to?
Stephen
i have a citizen watch 4-822447 TA
91001371
GN-4W-S
71-1811
Can you please tell me about this model and also the price.
Hi Waseem – your watch uses the 21 jewel 8200 automatic movement, which Citizen first produced in 1975 and still makes today. If it has an ‘eagle’ on the dial then it is on of the Eagle 7 models. Because the 8200 watches have been made over more than 30 years, it’s hard to date them. It was made in the month of October, but it could be 1979, 1989 or even 1999! In good condition these are sound and reliable movements, but unfortunately they do not sell for very much. It is probably best to search on eBay to see what prices they fetch.
Stephen
Hi Stephen,
I’ve found a watch at my grandma’s. I asked her, but she doesn’t knows when she has brought it.
It’s an automatic ladies watch, 21 jewels.
Here is its number:
CITIZEN
WATCH CO.
4-169131 SMB
6126611
74-2015
Zsófi from Hungary
Hi Zsofi,
I’m sorry for such a slow reply, but I’ve been on holiday for a week in a remote part of Scotland where I could not get full internet access.
Although it would be good to see a photo of your grandma’s watch, it looks like it is from December 1976. This is identified from the first three numbers in the serial number (6126611) – ‘6’ for 1976, and ’12’ for December. Although I haven’t got an exact reference for your model, the model number (74-2015) is very similar to other ladies’ watches from that time, which used the 21 jewelled 6600 or 6900 movements.
Stephen
I have a Citizen watch, the markings on the back are as follows:
Citizen Watch Co.
4-821386 K
80100817
GN-4W-S
51-1919
Can you please tell me anything about it?
Thanks, David
Hi David – from the case back information you have provided, I would think your watch is from January 1978 and uses the 8210 Miyota automatic movement with 21 jewels. This movement runs at 21,600 beats per hour and was one of the first to use the Miyota name when it was introduced in 1977. It’s possible that it is from 1988, but I would need to see a picture of it to be more sure. The meaning of the different numbers on the case back are:
4-821386 K: Case number
80100817: Serial Number – this is how we calculate the production date
GN-4W-S: Case type – should be a screw on type I think – which helps watch repairers when they do a service / repair
51-1919: Model Number
Can you post a link to a photo? If not can you describe the dial markings,
Regards,
Stephen
Hello Stephen, thanks for your quick answer, of course, here’s a picture, this was my grandfather’s watch and my mom gave me a couple of weeks ago, it works perfectly.
https://www.box.com/shared/9914535959b2fb26eaea
Regars,
David
Thanks for the photo David – I think it is from 1978. The later ones often had an eagle symbol on the dial. Does that date fit with when your grandfather bought it do you think? I’m not surprised it is still running well, the 8200 moveemnts are very reliable – Citizen have used them since the mid-1970s to now, so they must be good!
Hello!
I just bought from Ebay Seven Star V2. Well, it´s not arrived jet, but i examined the photos from description and noticed that there is cal.7790. Is it right movement to Seven Star V2? I tought that there should be one of 52xx or 54xx…? I also tought that 7790 runs 28.800 but it seems to be 21.600…?
Thank you for your efforts!
Regards, Marko from Finland (with poor english :D)
Hi Marko – your English is fine, and a whole lot better than my Finnish!!
The Seven Star V2’s do use the 72xx movements, the earlier Seven Stars (i.e. no ‘V2’) used the 52xx movements. Do you think the movement could be the 7290? That would be correct for the V2 model, it’s a very nice movement with hacking and hand winding and beats at 21,600bph. Also the jewel count for the 7290 is 21 or 23 – a 7790 would have 22, 24 or 26 jewels and is part of the Leopard line of watches.
Can you post a link to pics of the watch? That would be great if possible 🙂
Stephen
Hello and thanks for the reply!
Here are the photos from description: http://www.ebay.com/itm/230836048125?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649
😀 Well, i don´t know how to attach photos from my pc to here… hope this link is still available…
If this link doesn´t work, then you have to trust what i tell you 😀
So, there IS cal.7790 or i´m blind… Jewel count are 24. Even the dial says 24 jewels. I really hope that link works, so you can see it by yourself…
Regards, Marko
Hi Marko, thanks for the link, it worked fine 🙂 And I’ve now double checked my reference material, and it is indeed a 7790 – since I did the Movement Table I’ve got hold of another of Citizen’s original parts guides, and this one lists the 7790 running at 21,600 with 22, 24 or 26 jewels. The other 77xx movements are high beat and have a fine adjuster on the balance, and are found in the Leopards. I’d not noticed this until your comment made me look at it again! So I can now update the Movement Table to include this model, so I am very grateful that you contacted me.
The watch you’ve bought looks to be in original condition, so a nice buy for that price.
Thanks again,
Stephen
Hello, Stephen!
Thank you very much for that information! I was skeptical about S-S V2. But seller has very good feedback in Ebay, so my doubts was unnecessary. I touhght that there´s wrong movement for S-S V2. Now i know that i was wrong, Thank you for this once more!!!
I have some Citizen issues more, but i´ll write about them later…
ps. I´m very pleased for the price. I wonder why i was the only bidder…?
Kind Regards, Marko
Thanks again to you Marko – without your question I might not have spotted the gap in the Movement Table, at least not for a while yet. Not too many people collect vintage Citizens, and a brown dial is not so popular, so I’m not surprised about the price, nor that you were the only bidder.
Stephen
Stephen, nice blog and I must say it motivated me to take a much harder look at vintage Citizens. I have worn a Blue Angels Navihawk (the first series) for over a decade. How wonderful to see the heritage behind it.
Anyway, I have bought three cal. 6600 — 28800 ladies watches for my wife with one going to my mother-in-law. All are amazing works of engineering! One thing though. The crystals are getting hard to source. I am considering having two made from sapphire since even the Citizen repair centers I have contacted do not have them. Discontinued…
One of the watches is a Cosmostar V2 with a black dial and day/date feature. Actually, all of them have them but this one is simply stunning. Case back reads:
Citizen
6600
4-6604-39K
Para Water
Stainless Steel
11102002
GN-4W-S
The cost for these watches was less than $20 each. Two of them were $5. I would say you would be very hard pressed to find this kind of quality for 20 times the price.
Perhaps you might consider putting up a page on the blog about spare parts? A source in Japan that might be better than the US? I gather that this particular Cosmostar V2 might not have been exported but am unsure.
Keep up the good work!
El Cazador
Hi El Cazador, sorry for late reply, I’m away from pc at the moment and my mobile connection hasn’t been good. Will reply properly in the next couple of days.
Hi Hunter,
sorry again for not doing a full reply sooner, but now back at my pc so can get good access to the ‘net.
I agree with you about the Cosmostar V2 models, they are fine, high beat movements and can be found in very good working & cosmetic condition at almost give away prices sometimes. There’s a great example on my blog if you haven’t seen it already: https://sweep-hand.org/2011/05/08/a-little-story-about-reliability-accuracy/
The earlier Cosmostars were hand wind, then the V2 versions were launched around 1970/1 – your example is from November 1971. The V2s were either date only or had date and day like yours.
Your suggestion of a page about spares is a good one, but unfortunately it’s likely to be pretty well blank! Parts for vintage Citizens are hard to come by so donor watches are probably the best source. Sometimes Jules Borel in the USA carries some parts, but I’ve not tried them for the Cosmostars.
Thanks for your comment and glad to see that your interest in vintage Citizens has been nurtured 🙂
Stephen
Stephen:
very impressive site!
Grateful if you could tell me anything about my late father-in-law’s watch (in nearly new condition and working well), and how to change the day (I can change the date by pulling the knob half-way out, but can’t figure out how to change the day).
On the front:
Citizen
automatic
28800
Leopard
26 jewels
722482 k
On the back:
C.G.P.
4-720989 Y
10730864
67-3021
Many thanks
Martin
Hi Martin, thanks for your comment, much appreciated 🙂
It’s great to see that your late father-in-law’s watch is in your possession and working well. The Leopards are a fine line of high beat watches, and yours is from July 1971. Although the date change is a ‘quick set’ mechanism as you know, the day is change is not – you could call it ‘semi-quick set’. To move it on, pull the crown all the way out to the time setting position and turn it, moving the hands forward. When the hands move through midnight, or thereabouts, the day will change. As soon as it changes, wind it back to about the 9 o’clock marker (may be slightly more) and the day should move and then click back into position, at that point wind forward through midnight again to the next day. Repeat this until you have the correct day, then set the date. The day is set first since the date moves on as you go back and forth between 12 o’clock and 9 o’clock.
Hope this is clear,
Stephen
Try moving the hands to after one and then winding it back to eight. You should see the day move back a bit and then show the same day. Wind it forward past one. Day should change as will date.
Thanks both; that’s sorted.
Hello there – an internet search has brought up this fascinating site and enormous credit to you for the painstaking work you have done in detailing the history of and advising on vintage watches.
I’m afraid I know absolutely nothing about watches at all – I don’t even wear one (I know, the blasphemy…) – and have no real understanding of the questions I would now like to be asking.
I have inherited a Citizen Titanium gents watch which is probably termed vintage (I think it is 30+ years old but have no better sense other than that.) It has a gold (plating?effect?) design running through the (stainless steel?) strap to give a silver-gold effect, as well as gold detailing and dials on the watch face. There are tachymeter numbers running around the outer edge of the internal watch face – there are 3 mini dials in the centre [a 7 day, 24 hour and I think 30 mins (?) one.]
On the last panel before the clasp it says “TITANIUM” – with “stainless steel” on the reverse of the actual clasp.
The text from the back of the watch is as follows:
CITIZEN WATCH COMPANY
WATER RESISTANT
BASE METAL YP (is this the case material and what does it mean?)
4-S81527 HST (Is this something to do with calibre and case no?)
120864 (is this a serial no?)
JAPAN
It isn’t working – but whether that simply means it will never work again or could be made to work if you knew what to do to it – I wallow in my chronometrical ignorance…
I would love to find out anything I can about it – what exactly it is made of – whether the details from the back can identify a year of manufacture or a name or style or anything about it – if it could even be made to work.
I would be very obliged if you or any of your blog readers can provide any illumination – or direct me anywhere else where I could find out more.
with best wishes and thanks
Russell Shone, UK
Hi Russell,
thanks for your comments about my blog, much appreciated. My wingman 🙂 Hunter has provided answers to your questions – I agree that ‘YP’ will refer to the gold tone plating. Although often described as gold plating the actual content is often not gold at all but gives that look. From your description the watch would seem to be a quartz chronograph – i.e. it has smaller ‘sub-dials’ which can record elapsed time.
The serial number (120864) is how we can date the watch, with the first digit giving the year. However, we need to know which decade the watch is from – I would guess this type of watch would be from 1991 (I think 1981 would be too early). Although the case number (4-S81527) may provide a clue to the movement, as Hunter says, the dial code probably printed below the 6 o’clock marker will provide the movement reference most clearly. It could be that all this watch needs is a new battery if that has not been tried already.
Stephen
Hi,
BASE METAL YP (is this the case material and what does it mean?)
Yes. It is not solid stainless steel. It is probably brass or some other combination of cheaper metals. Not uncommon. YP is probably Yellow (Gold) Plate.
4-S81527 HST (Is this something to do with calibre and case no?)
This is the case model number. With that, you can order glass, gaskets, crowns, etc. Boley lists a number of other parts like handsThe caliber number is probably in very small print on the dial. See Boley’s page here:
http://195.234.231.138/referenz/citizen/49059
120864 (is this a serial no?)
Yes.
Cheers,
Hunter
Hi,
I was searching thro’ the internet for my watch details, when I saw your blog and found it quite interesting. I wanted some information about my watch (like its current price, make, model number). My dad gave me this watch and said he had purchased it around 1984. The watch details are as follows:
On the front:
CITIZEN
AUTOMATIC
An golden colored Eagle logo with 7 written on it, with red background.
Below the eagle – 21 jewels
Japan 6650-763677 KA
On the back:
CITIZEN
Water Resist
Stainless
4-663772 K
50400433
GN-4-S
Japan
Hi, I’m afraid I haven’t got access to my pc for a couple of days, so will reply as soon as I can,
Stephen
Thanks Stephen… I will wait for your reply.
Hi Amol,
sorry for the delay, but I’m back at my pc now so can reply properly to your enquiry.
The watch you have (and it’s good to see it has been in your family since the 1980s) is a Citizen ‘Eagle 7’. As far as I know the Eagle 7 line began in the early 1980s, and became Citizen’s standard automatic mechanical watch for a long time. By that time quartz watches had become very affordable and popular, so Citizen were not making many mechanical models. The Eagle 7 was their competitor to the Seiko 5, so it was a sound, reliable and affordable watch. The ‘7’ in the name refers to the features built into the watch – I’ve not seen these all confirmed but they might be: (1) water resistant, (2) shock resistant, (3) day and (4) date, (5) glass crystal, (6) hand wind-able, (7) ….??? can’t think what this one might be, unless it’s ‘automatic’.
The Eagle 7’s usually have the 8200 movement in them, which was first launched in about 1975, but I have read somewhere that other movements were also used. And yours looks to be one of these since the dial code (6650-763677) and case number (4-663772) suggest it has a 6xxx movement in it. I’m not sure which it might be from the numbers, since there were several 6xxx movements including some in ladies watches. It could be a 6501 movement since that has the same features as the 8200. In the end we can only be certain if you could take case back off and take a look, there should be a movement number stamped near the balance wheel.
The first part of the serial number (50400433) gives us the production date, and since your dad remembers buying it ‘around 1984’, it looks to actually have been made in April 1985.
I’m afraid the Eagle 7’s do not have a great deal of value these days, partly because they were sold in large numbers and are often found on eBay – that’s probably the best place to search to get an idea of what yours might be worth.
I hope this is helpful,
Stephen
Thank you very much Stephen for this information… At least I know what the numbers indicate now 🙂
Will surely keep using the watch… thanks again. bye.
Hi Stephen
Could you give me any details about my watch. My dad bought it for me in 1976. the numbers on the back are 0200
4-020511 SMT
41053017
63-4093
21 jewels. Any info much appreciated.
Thanks
Dennis
Hi Dennis – it’s good to see that you still have the watch your father bought you over 35 years ago 🙂 Is it still running ok?
From the information you have given, your watch is a hand winding model with the 0200 ‘Homer’ movement in it. This movement was first produced as far back as 1960 and was Citizen’s mainstream hand winding movement, used in a variety of models right through to around 1980. Made with 17, 19 or 21 jewels, it is a sound and reliable movement which was the base for a range of watches, including high end ones, which you can see in the 02 ‘Family Tree’ I’ve done: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/stephen.netherwood/020HomerFamilyTreeV2Secure.pdf
As to the numbers on the case back of yours:
4-020511 – is the case number, the first part of which relates to the movement (the ‘SMT’ mark may be a code for the factory where the watch as made, but I’m not sure about that)
63-4093 – is the model number. 63-40xx numbers appear to be 0200 Homer models, and of course yours is also clearly marked ‘0200’ anyway
41053017 – is the serial number, from which we can get the production date. Your dad bought it in 1976, so we know it’s from the 1970s, therefore it was made in 1974 (from the first digit ‘4’), and was made in October of that year (from the next two digits ’10’)
I’ve done a couple of ‘featured’ watches posts about the Homer range on my blog which provide more info. This one in particular: https://sweep-hand.org/2012/02/23/this-weeks-featured-watch-23-the-homer/, whilst this one is about the Homer model used for by the Japanese railways, which reflects their quality and reliability: https://sweep-hand.org/2012/03/26/this-weeks-featured-watch-28-the-homer-railroad-watch/
Hope this is helpful,
Stephen
Citizen Chronograph wr100. On the back is: Citizen Watch co.
Wather resist
St.steel
0510-k13084ckw
8 N 1 9 5 4
GN-4-S
-> 10
Hi Alan,
these look to be the markings of a quartz chronograph – do you have a question about it? Bear in mind my speciality is pre-1980 mechanicals, but I will try and answer any question!
Stephen
on the dial – citizen automatic , 21 jewels , N-8200-R48634-Y and a golden eagle 7 applied symbol .
on the case back – CITIZEN WATCH CO, WATER RESIST, STAINLESS, 4-039203 RC, 150944, GN-4W-S .
What I am perplexed about is that the watch does not have any “country of origin” (like japan etc) marked anywhere on the outside . Did citizen really sold such a piece without any country markings ?
Hi Pinaki,
a few of my older hand winders don’t have ‘Japan’ on their dials, but the vast majority of my watch dials are signed Japan, then the dial code. Some older models just have Japan on them. I’m not so familiar with the Eagle 7 models since they are more recent, but I noticed this one looks only to have the dial code, like yours:
http://seikoholics.yuku.com/sreply/356/Citizen-8200-71-2639
So I don’t think it’s anything to worry about if otherwise the watch appears to be correct,
Stephen
Ah , yeah ! Mine have the “citizen” written in the exact same fashion and an identical “eagle 7” symbol . It does run perfectly and keeps right time . Heartfelt thanks for your quick attention & helpful reply .
Pinaki .
You’re welcome, glad to be of help,
Stephen
Hi Stephen,
I have my grandmothers old citizen watch the front just say:
Quartz and citizen ón the backside og the glass cover. It show day and date.
The backside
Water resistent base metal top stainless steel back
Citizen watch co
4-04088 ISMK
0111319
GN-4W-S
48-1327
GP
Any information you could possibly supply would be appreciated we are curious about how old it really is, as none of us remember her without it (she passed away yeats back unfortunately).
Merry xmas
Sachia
Hi Sachia,
I’m afraid I don’t have much data on quartz models and there is very little information on the internet. I can tell you something about the age of the watch though – it is either from November 1980 or 1990 I should think. The serial number (0111319) tells us this. The zero at the start gives the year it was made – so 1980 or 1990 – then the following two numbers give us the month of production, so that was November (’11’). The watch couldn’t be earlier than 1980 since quartz watches weren’t available in 1970, and I guess from your description that it was not later than 1990.
The other numbers on the back are the case number: 4-040881 and the model number – 48-1327. ‘GN-4W-S’ is the case type, which helps when a watch repairer does a service, and ‘GP’ is the case material code, i.e. gold plate.
I hope this is helpful, sorry I can’t pin the production date down any more than this.
Happy Christmas,
Stephen
Hi Stephen,
I obtained a watch for my neighborhood fair for a buck, seriously. $1 When I got home, I examined it more closely and saw it was a legitimate Citizen watch, and it was different than most watches I’ve seen. It is a ladies’ watch, hexagonal, and has a black dial and I couldn’t find it ANYWHERE. Can you help me?
On the front it says:
Citizen
Quartz
(tiny print on the bottom)
JAPAN MOVT-5920-N3337-KA
on the back
Citizen Watch co.
base metal YP
5920-S45555 HSB
786026
(arrow) >5
oh, and it also comes with 2 extension links that definitely came with the watch. I just really curious about this watch. Thanks so much!! 🙂
Hi Rebecca, sounds like a good deal for just $1 🙂 Unfortunately my area is mainly mechanical watches so I have not got reference material on more recent quartz models, and there is very little information available on them. You’re right that this is a legit Citizen, and from the few models for sale with the same movement – the 5920 – it looks to date from the late 1990s. The serial number on yours (786026) gives a production date of August 1997 (from the ‘7’ and ‘8’ at the start of the number). The other numbers are the model number – 5920-S455555 and the dial number under the 6 o’clock marker. ‘YP’ is ‘yellow plate’ relating to the gold tone finish over a base metal case. Not sure about the arrow & 5 but that could be showing where to lever the back off for battery replacement. I think ‘HSB’ will be the factory code.
Hope this helps a bit!
Stephen
Hi Stephen,
Thank you so much for your time and help. Not that old, but doesnt really matter, its still beautiful and “so my gran” 🙂 Will take it to someone who can clean it up.
Just in time for a happy new year to you.
Sachia
You’re welcome Sachia, all the best for 2013,
Stephen
hello, could anyone can tell me where can i find the glass top ( sorry i dont know the name in english) for my old citizen gn 4 s water resistent 4 096819 TA. It s my grandfather watch and i think it s from the 70´s. The watch its full operational but the glass is cracked.
thank you
Miguel
Hi Miguel, sorry for slow response, but I have been away on a family visit for a few days. Good to see that you have your grand father’s watch – does it have a serial number and a model number on the back? The serial number will be 7 or 8 numbers and the model number would have 2 numbers, then a ‘-‘ then four more numbers, e.g. 62-6198. We might be able to get a production date from the serial number if you are interested in that. The glass top is called a ‘crystal’ usually, but watch glass is fine 🙂 The part number for it is a 54-80088 but it would be very difficult to find one. I would think a good watch maker should be able to fit a new one though especially if it’s a standard round one.
Stephen
Stephen, great blog and Happy New year.
I found a watch in a recent clean up and am trying to figure out how it came into my possession, having a good date would be a help. I have read pretty much all there is to read about dating Citizens and am still confused as to which numbers identify the watch. Is the first number the case number or calibre, was hoping you could help.
Citizen Newmaster 21 jewels
4-020618 SM
197010
63-4018
Wound it gently, it keeps perfect time for about 24hrs before stopping.
Hi Andy, thanks and best wishes for the New Year to you too.
You probably know that your Newmaster uses the 21 jewel 020 Homer movement which was in production from 1960 to the early 1980s. Yours is the later style so I reckon it is from September 1981 (the first part of the serial number – 197010 gives us this date, ‘1’ for the year and ‘9’ for September). To get the year of production you need to know the decade it comes from of course. I don’t think it is as early as 1971 since my reference material doesn’t show this style of dial at that time and the ones I’ve seen like this are usually from the late 1970s. Also yours has the shorter six digit serial number which is later, earlier models typically have eight digit numbers. Does 1981 seem about right to you?
The other numbers are the case number – 4-020618, which also references the movement used, but this is not always so. ‘SM’ probably refers to the factory where the watch was made, whilst ’63-4018′ is the model number.
Good to hear that the watch runs well and keeps good time, not unusual in my experience with this movement, no doubt this is why it had a production run of over 20 years.
Stephen
Thank you, 1981 could be right, will ask around the family.
You identify 197010 as the serial number and that is where my confusion came from. I have found other Newmasters with the same serial number: http://www.ebay.es/itm/Citizen-new-master-21-jewels-parawater-/160936261508 is an example and one for clearance by Thai customs which has the same case and model number as well (no picture unfortunately)
Guessing that Serial number is more a manufacturing stamp rather than a sequential listing?
Anyway we have a decade to start hunting in, thanks for that.
Hi Andy – one of the joys of collecting and researching vintage Citizens is that new information comes to light from time to time 🙂 This is interesting in that I’ve never seen models with the same serial number before, which has got me thinking….
Is your watch marked ‘parawater’ on the back like the one for sale on eBay? If so then the production date is earlier than 1981, since manufacturers had to change from ‘water proof’ (‘parawater’ in Citizen’s case) to ‘water resistant’ in the early 1970s. Your information also revises my view that this Newmaster dial design was later than the early ’70s. I’ll do some more looking around – here’s one with a conventional serial number (looks to be from 1970), but with the same model numbers as yours:
http://forums.watchuseek.com/f29/citizen-new-master-vintage-21j-hand-wind-657186.html
Stephen
Hi Andy, I’ve now found another example, this time with a ‘serial’ number of ‘197212’:
http://jammasa.blogspot.co.uk/2010/12/citizen-new-master-22-manual-winding_18.html
So I’m thinking now that this type of serial # provides the full year of production, i.e. 1972. This would make yours 1970 of course.
Stephen
Stephen, 1970 made more sense than 1980. My father visited Hong Kong in the early 70’s and this is just what a ten year old would want. The case is marked Parawater, as per the first photo, so maybe we have both discovered something. I will go with the number being the production date of October 1970.
Interesting that the Malaysian blog example has the same case number alph suffix of SM.
Anyway, thanks again.
Andy
Hi Stephen,
Cool blog and happy new year! I have a Citizen stainless steel watch with a hexagonal dial, and after a quick look at your handy dandy Movement Table I am guessing it is a later version of the awesomely named Cosmotron. Can you confirm? The info on the watch is as follows:
On the dial:
Citizen
Automatic
28800
21 Jewels
On the back:
4-661672 Y
51110019 (so November 1975 or 1985?)
64-9198
SF-1-[what looks like a teeny tiny x with a circle around it]
My camera battery just bit it, otherwise I’d attach a pic, it’s a lovely watch and keeps time pretty well!
Thanks in advance,
Liz
Hi Liz, thank you, and all the best for 2013 🙂
Yours is not a Cosmotron, but a Cosmostar – another cool name though! It’s a Cosmostar V2 in fact, from November 1975. The 6600 movement in it is a fine piece of engineering, with a high beat (28,800 per hour) and in good condition they are very accurate and reliable. ‘4-661672′ is the case number, ’64-9198’ is the model number and ‘SF-1-X’ is the case type (SF means ‘square flange’). I think the x with a circle round it means it is a one piece case that can’t be opened by taking the back off – does it look like it doesn’t have a separate back that can be removed?
Your query has had me checking the movement table, and I’ve realised there’s an error – the 6600 movements are automatics and I’ve got them down as hand wind. Must amend that!
Hope this helps, and if you get your battery charged a pic would be nice 🙂 (You can’t attach pics to a comment, but you can post a link to an image)
Stephen
Thank you Stephen!
Very interesting, I’ve been wondering for a while now when it was made, and I’m impressed that it still runs as well as it does. I bought it at a pawn shop because I loved the cool-looking, chunky hex case, but had no idea at the time if it was reliable or not.
The first two or three days I had it on it was much too fast, but after about a week of constant wear it found accuracy. Now it is occasionally a minute slow, maybe every two weeks. I’ve scrutinized the case and it looks to me like the back is in fact a separate piece, as there is a discernible and grime-harboring crevice between it and the rest. Also maybe the X is a K. I will definitely post a link to a picture once I get a new battery (which apparently has truly bitten it).
Thanks again for all the info, so cool to know more about it!
Liz
Hi Liz,
interesting what you say about wearing a watch for a few days to let it settle down. I’ve had the same experience with some of mine, so it’s well worth trying this before reaching any conclusions. Less than 5 seconds a day variation is pretty darn good for a 35+ year old watch! That would be the kind of specification for a high grade watch in its day, and there are many new mechanicals which will be specified to run a good deal less accurately than that.
Sorry to hear your battery has died altogether 😦 Hope you can get a picture since it’s an interesting case design on yours.
Stephen
Stephen, I will definitely get a picture to you, that is a promise! Just can’t say how long it will take…busy busy! Thanks again for the information, and for putting so much time (literally!) into your blog.
OK Liz, thanks 🙂
Stephen
Hi Stephen! Hope you’re well. As promised, here are three pics of my watch:
The day space is blank because it’s in the middle of moving, but it’s in German, so SON – MON – DIE – MIT and so forth.
Best,
Liz
Hi Liz, great to hear from you – I’m fine thank you and hope you are too. Thanks for the pictures, they are excellent and the watch looks to be in very good condition. Also looks like the original bracelet which is nice to have. Congrats on a cool find, and I hope the watch continues to run reliably and accurately for you,
All the best,
Stephen
Hi Stephen,
I have Citizen Watch with Date and Day in front. in the back there
CITIZEN watch co.
water resist
stainless
6100-G00678 Y
560148
GN-4-S
Japan => 12
Please, tell everything about that.
thanks.
Hi Drayy,
I’m afraid I’m not going to be able to help very much since my knowledge is mainly about the older mechanical models Citizen made up to the late 1970s. Yours is a later model I believe, with the 6100 quartz movement but a quick search of the internet didn’t come up with any images of your model. The information on back tells us the model number (including the movement): 6100-G00678Y. GN-4-S is the case type (probably a screw on type?) and 560148 is the serial number. We can determine the age of a watch from the serial number, but we need to know which decade it was made in. The first number – ‘5’ – tells us the watch was made in 1985 or 1995 but I can’t tell you which since I don’t have reference information on the very many quartz models Citizen has produced over the years.
Sorry I cannot be of more help,
Stephen
Hi Stephen
I have citizen watch with day and date, eagle with 7 in midlle it
And in tha back it have this information :
citizen watch co
4-281292 KT
10600268
GN-4-s
71-2698
have you got any information about this model, i can’t find it in movement table
tks
edl
Hi Edl,
thanks for the info on your watch – what you have is an Eagle 7 from either June 1981 or June 1991 I would think. Because the Eagle 7’s were made over a long period it’s hard to pin it down any more than that I’m afraid, and I don’t have any reference material after 1977. I have concentrated on Citizen’s older vintage watches up to the late 1970s, but the movement in yours is listed in the Movement Table because it was first made around 1975. The Eagle 7’s use the 8200 automatic movement and you can find that on page 11 of the Table. That gives basic information about the movement used in the many different Eagle 7 models. In good condition these are very reliable movements, which have been used by Citizen from 1975 to the present day – it became their basic automatic mechanical movement when they moved into quartz based watches and has been their rival to the Seiko 5 line.
Hope this helps,
Stephen
Hi Stephen
I have citizen watch with day and date,it’s automatic! Date on watch is written in arabic!
And in the back it have this information :
4-062591 smk
00500463
gn-4-s
51-1811
have you got any information about this model, i can’t find it in movement table??
Thanks,Vladimir
Hi Vladimir,
I do know this model – the 51-1811. It’s a big watch using the 8200 movement which was introduced in 1975 – see page 11 of the Movement Table for a reference to the movement. Yours is from May 1980, and it should have an inner rotating ring turned by a second crown at the 10 o’clock position. Is this what you have?
Regards,
Stephen
Good Morning Stephen.
Sory for my bad english..Hope u understand..
Nice blog and got a lot of information..thanks..
I got citizen watch given from old man..I want to know if my watch is fake or original..
If original..I want to know some info as make me pride to wearing it. I already take note some info from your blog n make some calculation for myself and still didnt get it. Im new comer to the world of vintage watch..so im zero about this field. Realy need ur help.
On the dial information:
CITIZEN
AUTOMATIC
21 JEWELS
(tiny print on the bottom at 6 clock)
JAPAN 8200 825869 K (8200 i got from ur blog is movement but what is ‘K’?)
have date and day (dual language,english and japans i think,confius japan@korea@chinese word) at 3 clock..Dial is shining blue sea..still running smooth but i think “needle second” running fast..
On the back
(circle round word)
ALL STAINLESS STEEL
WATER RESISTANT
JAPAN
(middle word)
CITIZEN
WATCH CO.
4-822111 TA (what is “TA” means and 4-822111 is case number from your blog)
90100382 (serial number and you say can detect the date of production,so from your calculation method, 9 is year,1979@1989@1999@2009? 01 is JAn..so..Jan 19×9@2009..2009 is imposible right because no eagle @ leopard symbol..beside..citizen watch on 2009 production is more beautifull and versatile than mine)
i dont know how to upload picture to show for you..hope you can help me from the given information. This is my 1st automatic watch and im not come from rich family. im not able to buy new one like this one and like other members.if my member joking around my watch,at least i can tell them some info about this watch..huhu…
kurtnet,Malaysia
Hi Kurtnet, your English is fine, and a million times better than my Malay!! 🙂
Thank you for providing all the information from the marks on your watch. It sounds like a genuine one to me, as you say with the 8200 automatic movement that was first produced around 1975. They run at 21,600 beats per hour and use a rotor to wind the watch as you wear it that moves in one direction only – supposedly more efficient than moving in both directions as used in earlier watches. You should be able to wind it by hand too – useful if you need to get it running quickly if it’s not been worn for a while. Many of these were marked with the ‘Eagle’, and those tend to be the later models, so yours may be from 1979. If you want to check whether the days are Kanji, here’s a good thread which shows them:
http://forums.watchuseek.com/f21/kanji-japanese-day-wheel-311496-2.html
I don’t know what the letters mean – ‘K’ at the end of the dial code, and ‘TA’ after the case number. They may be codes to help watch repairers, or the TA may be a factory code. This is something I would like to find out too!
It would be good to see a photo – I know it’s not possible for you to post a picture yourself, but if you can post a link that would work.
Hope this helps a bit, and it’s good to hear you enjoy wearing the watch 🙂
Stephen
I have a very old citizens watch base metal 2250-226275 TA 612073 39-500 is it real gold
Hi Melissa,
I think your watch dates from the 1980s or 1990s. The serial number – 612073 – starts with a ‘6’ so I think it’s from 1986 or 1996. If it were real gold it would be marked ’18k’ or may be ’14k’. Since yours is marked ‘base metal’ it is gold plated.
Stephen
Thanks a lots stepen.Its Kanji days…Hehe..
1979?seriuosly?feel like dont want to believe it..hehehe..if that the case,then this baby is old enough than me..tq stephen.but can u make sure by taking a good look at the picture i upload for u,hope u can see clearly the details by what i meant by my previous message to you..i borrow my friend’s camera..a good one i guess to snap my watch for you.
but im stuck..how to give a link to you…
can i just email my picture to you?if you want to upload the picture in ur blog also can.no problem so that people can give their comment and what so ever.by giving u the picture hope that u can tell wether my watch is genuine or otherwise.one more thing i wanna know what type of variant my watch is?is it automatic,chronochrome,quartz or etc?
Hi Kurtnet,
I’ll send you an e-mail so you can reply with a photo of your watch (one of the case back as well would be helpful if that’s possible). I can then upload it / them 🙂
Your watch is a mechanical automatic – the movement will like this: http://www.ranfft.de/cgi-bin/bidfun-db.cgi?10&ranfft&&2uswk&Citizen_8200A
Stephen
You’re welcome Kurtnet 🙂
Best wishes,
Stephen
Thank you very much Mr.Stepen as you trying to identify my wacth.. Eventhough it’s not a great deal of money..For my ‘shoes’, this baby still have sentimental value based on the estimated date of birth.More age this watch, the more I am proud..Based on your explanation for my watch, its a best explanation and make me clearly about it.Thanks again
Best regards,
Kurtnet
Hi, Stephen
Could you comment on an error in the labeling:
Crystals Seven, dial signed 21 jewels and number caliber 7200 is not correct, because no amount of jewelry in 7200, and it does not coincide with the caliber of the established model.
within us is “right” for him 7290
with respect,
Sergei
+ Is revised over your tables and realized that in the crystal seven caliber 52 … I confused it with v2, but it still does not exclude errors marking)
my apologies for the bad language
Hi Sergei,
no need to apologise 🙂 Do you still think there is an error about the 52 Crystal Seven models?
Regards,
Stephen
Here is auction number 271148834137 on Ebay
I’ve seen it seems to me no coincidence: the two “black” v2 behind was marked 7200, although they were sold in different countries and this coincidence is not possible, I think
Hi Sergei, thanks for the eBay number. I’ve had a look at it and I have some major concerns about it. Firstly, as far as I know only 52 movements were used in Crystal Sevens. The dial code is marked 7200 and the seller says it has the 7290 hacking movement in it, but the case number is 4-520190 which is from a watch with a 52 movement in it. The case and bezel look the same as my Seven Star V2 beater, case number 4-720253, see this post: https://sweep-hand.org/2011/08/30/back-after-vacation/
Also the highlights on the main hands and the second hand have been re-painted. The Buy It Now price is high, even if were not a cobbled together watch. One to avoid I think!
Stephen
I did not think to buy them, I wonder why it was 7200)
Ah, OK 🙂
Stephen
Hello Stephen,
lately I found my uncle Citizen watch, but hardly could find any information on the web, so I wondering if you could help me with this one. Watch is with balck dial, automatic movement, tiny letter on dial reads 8200-R49291-Y
on the back case there is more
8200-R11628 RC
GN-4W-S
030293
Hope you will have some information on it.
Thank you very much in advance
Best regards
Oscar
Hi Oscar, your uncle’s watch is one of the ‘Eagle 7’ models with the distinctive logo on the dial, which use the reliable 8200 auto movement, running at 21,600 beats per hour. The 8200 movement was first produced around 1975, and has been in production ever since. The Eagle 7 line was Citizen’s answer to the Seiko 5, being a sound and reliable but not too expensive watch. I think the Eagle 7’s first appeared in the 1980s, and numerous models were made over the years so they are difficult to date. Yours may be from 1990 (‘0’ at the start of the serial number), but it could even be 2000 – do you know if your uncle bought it new and approximately when? The model number is 8200-R11628 and I’ve found one example on the net with a black dial – is this the same as yours?:
http://www.jofogas.hu/budapest/Citizen_8200_R11628_RC_ferfi_karora_7668331.htm
Here’s an example of the same model with a white dial, so it has a different dial code (the tiny number at the bottom of the dial):
http://forums.watchuseek.com/f21/some-help-needed-identifying-citizen-automatic-301118.html
Hope this helps a little,
Stephen
Hello Stephen,
yes, that’s the same watch on the first link. Wow I can’t believe it, that’s really great, I had no idea about this watch. Uncle mentioned that he bought it new in early 2000s, but now it’s in quite frankly poor condition. Anyway thank you very much for your help Stephen. Keep up the good work!
Best regards
Oscar
Thanks Oscar, you’re welcome
Stephen
Can u check this citizen watch..
Citizen
Watch co.
4-280296 KT
0500231
GN-4W-S
71-1811
Also how much the price is?
🙂
Hi Taifey, I avoid giving valuations since there are many variables, soi I usually advise people to search the internet, especially eBay, to find examples to see what they sold for. Yours is an automatic with the 8200 movement in it, one of the ‘Eagle 7’ models. I think it’s from 1990, or it could possibly be 1980. I found one example sold last year, is this like yours? – it didn’t go for very much money:
http://www.ebay.de/itm/CITIZEN-Herrenuhr-blau-gold-Edelstahl-Sammlerstueck-/320897881575?nma=true&si=sC%252BOu5Bmkj%252BXs7DuUikIJ1tntlA%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
Stephen
hi..have you seen very rare citizen eagle7 emblem at side dial n0 9.on face writen auto waterproof 21 jewel.on top 6 and Day dater at dial no 3 on back waterproof 4-520728 TA 61-5509 please master give me clue…
Hi, I am not familiar with this model (61-5509 is the model number). The case number (4-520728) suggests it has a 52xx movement in it, from the mid to late 1960s. But the Eagle 7 emblem was not used until the late 1970s at the earliest, on models with the 82xx automatic movements, so I am a bit puzzled about it. Is the emblem like the one in this SCWF thread?: http://www.thewatchsite.com/index.php/topic,38597.msg252358.html#msg252358
It would help to see photos of your watch – do you have any that you could post a link to?
Stephen
Hi Stephen,
What an useful website. I have learnt a lot through many of your information. My father just gave me a watch. He bought it in 1975 and he believes it is much older. It is still in good condition and gives exactly time although it has some scratches in its gilt case. Here is some information:
Front:
Citizen
Automatic
21 jewels
Rear:
Citizen
Automatic
Parawater
GN-1-S
C.G.P.
4-721039 Y
20910178
67-5440
I am very appreciate if you could discover more information about it. Thanks in advance
Regards
N.V. Hung
Hi Nguyen, thanks for your comments and the information about your father’s watch. Although I don’t have your particular watch in my reference data, from the markings on the back it is possible to determine what movement it uses and when it was made. The model number – 67-5440 – is not too useful, but the case number – 4-721039 – is very helpful. Along with it being marked ‘Parawater’ (waterproof) this shows it is from the early 1970s, and uses one of the 72 automatic movements, probably the 7270 or 7290. If the second hand stops moving (‘hacks’) when the crown is pulled fully out to set the time then it is the 7290. Here’s a ‘family tree’ of the 72 movements so you can see where it fits in: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/stephen.netherwood/72Leopard&SevenStarFamilyTreeSecure.pdf
The first three digits of the serial number – 20910178 – tells us that it was made in September 1972. It can’t be 1962 because this movement wasn’t made as early as that, and the backs were marked differently then. The 72 movements were only made for a short while, but are very good – if in good condition they are reliable and can be very accurate like yours, which runs at 21,600 beats per hour.
I presume yours has day and date complications – does it have any other markings on the dial, for example Seven Star V2 or Custom V2?
Stephen
Hi Stephen,
Thanks for your information above. I have checked my father’s watch and here are some result:
– When I pull the crown out 1 level to set date as well as 2 levels (fully pull out) to set time, the second hand
continues to run without any hesitation
– There is no more mark in the watch. All the mark I wrote above. Anyway, I found that the logo (above mark”21Jewels”)
was not the eagle as usual. I searched in google and could not found any one fit it. Its shape somehow similar to
this one : http://www.google.com.vn/imgres?q=citizen+watch+21+jewels&start=196&um=1&hl=vi&biw=1280&bih=827&tbm=isch&tbnid=OkvmsW2bhi42TM:&imgrefurl=https://sweep-hand.org/citizens-vintage-divers-1962-to-1980/&docid=m2ucMmDZG-J9YM&imgurl=http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk252/Sweephand/DiverArticle/BlackCompressorCatalog.jpg&w=870&h=1000&ei=KZ0lUZa0IqiTiAet1YDYBQ&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=376&vpy=410&dur=1954&hovh=241&hovw=209&tx=116&ty=121&sig=108187438410441919954&page=6&tbnh=160&tbnw=133&ndsp=37&ved=1t:429,i:40
The outer shape is similar, however, the inner shape is not the 7, I guess, It is similar to the outer shape and smaller, of course.
I hope those information can help you to find something more
By the way, I can not read your link. Could you email me ?
Tks much
Hi Nguyen, thanks for the further information – your description of the emblem made me realise that you have an export model, where Citizen didn’t use the usual model names. And I’ve now found an image from a German catalog in my files (with thanks to Axel from the SCWF), from 1974, with your model (67-5440) in it – see bottom left (sorry it’s not a very high resolution scan):
Since your watch doesn’t ‘hack’ (i.e. stops when the crown is pulled fully out) it’s most likely a 7270 movement. I’ll e-mail the ‘Family Tree’ shortly.
Stephen
hi..stephen..tnx for replying ..i cant sending photo of citizen eagle 7 emblem at dial side 9. with writen number by day n date..pls give me your email n i will post it n searching new ..regards
Hi, e-mail sent 🙂
Stephen
Hi Stephen,
It is exactly the one I have. Thanks for the picture. However, the origin bracelet was broken and my father had to replace it by another one sometime. What a pity. It will be more wonderful with its origin bracelet. I will show this picture for my father.
Thanks again for many efforts and time you spent for me
Regards
N.V.Hung
(From Vietnam)
You’re welcome, glad I could help 🙂
Stephen
I have few citizen watches that i would like to know more. Could you help me. Intrested mostly how old are these watches or new. Dont understand much on watches so ill just give all markings i found on watches
First this is mens watch citizen automatic 21 jewels
b-200-030840 sms markings on front
In backcase Water resisrant all stainless steel citizen watch Co
4-063104 smk
00504301
G4-4-S 71-2078
Second watch also mens watch markings on dial citizen 21 jewels parawater japan 6-187820 (not sure is it correct might miss few letters or numbers in the end)
Backcase of it 4-180551 Sm
90104147
63-1230
And the third watch females watch citizen 17 jewels japan-5300-5324 iik and backcase markings
Gb citizen 4-530691 S
20G0687
64-6067
Thank you very much all rdy for all the help i can get.
Regards Jari and Greetings from finland.
Hi Jari,
thanks for the information on your watches. I’m not sure about the first one on your list, which I think is newer than the other two, so the movement and case numbers are not so helpful thanks to Citizen changing how they did them. Are there any other markings or emblems on the dial? I suspect it uses the 8200 movement since it is an auto with 221 jewels, but this has been used for decades so they are harder to date – if you can link to a picture that would be very helpful.
The second one is more my era 🙂 Since it is marked ‘parawater’ it can’t be later than the early 1970s, and the case number (4-180551) suggests that it’s a Homer hand winder movement with date. If that’s correct, it can’t be earlier than 1962, so with a serial number of 90104147 it is from January 1969. The style of model number – 63-1230 – also fits with the late 1960s.
The third watch looks to be a hand winder using the 5300 movement which were first made in the mid 1970s. So the production date is likely to be 1980 from the first digit in the serial number. Is there a typo in the number? The next two digits would give the month, so is the ‘G’ incorrect?
Hope this helps,
Stephen
Thank you for your info on watches. Yes in third watch there was an error its not G (my bad sry ) it is 2060687
I could send you some photos of watches if i find your email somewhere in this site. And in the first watch i cant find maybe some photos might help you identify something from photos. Third watch bracelet its not orginal for sure. It says made in finland 🙂 ill try send you pjotos. And thank you very much. Wish there would more sites and people like this sobi could find info on other branf watches too. Those where only ones i have from citizen.
Regards Jari
Hi Jari – I’ll send you an e-mail so you can send photos 🙂
Stephen
Hi stephen
I did send the photos now via e-mail.
Thank you again really helpfull.
Jari
Hi Jari, thanks for the photos. They have confirmed what I thought from your descriptions – the first one does have the 8200 automatic movement. It looks to be either from 1980 or 1990 – I’m afraid I can’t say definitely which it is since I don’t have any reference data for those years. The rotor is marked 8200A which was the first of citizen’s ‘Miyota’ movements.
The second is a Homer 1810 movement since it has the date window – these were first made in 1962 and probably ended around 1975, so a production date of 1969 is exactly correct.
The third watch is the date version of the 5300 movement, so will be the 5310 version, and this confirms it is from 1980.
Stephen
Thank you stephen for your help. Got more info on my watches i could imagine. Was very helpful for me.
I wish all good for you and your blog.
Regards Jari
You’re welcome Jari, and thank you for your comments 🙂
Stephen
Hi Stephen,
I’ve found a watch at my father’s. But i don’t have any information it.
Here is the markings on the back are as follows:
CITIZEN
72025650
HMC
The face reads:
blackcheetah
19 Jewels
Can you please tell me anything about it?
from korea
Hi jase,
thanks for the information about your father’s watch. I have seen one other model with the ‘black cheetah’ markings, it also had ‘manhattan’ on the dial. To be honest I didn’t think it was a genuine Citizen since I had not heard of the model before, nor had I got any information about the movement, described as ‘5651’. It was a hand winding model, not listed in any of my reference material – that doesn’t necessarily mean it is a fake, it may be that I just haven’t found any information.
Do you have any photos of the watch? It would be very helpful if I could see it. If not can you tell me what other markings are on it – for example whether it is marked waterproof or water resistant, and any other markings it has. Also, is there a dial code marked on the dial, usually printed right at the bottom, and rather small? And if you can get the back off, is there a movement number stamped near the hairspring / balance?
If you have photos you can’t post them directly on my blog I’m afraid, but you can post a link to them if you upload them to something like Photobucket.
Has your father had this watch from new, and do you know when he bought it? The serial number on yours is similar to the one other I’ve seen, which started with 73 & ended with 5650. The last numbers refer to the movement I guess, so the first numbers, 7202 probably give us a production date of February 1972.
Sorry that I have more questions than answers at the moment!
Stephen
Hi Stephen, thanks for your quick and kindly answer. of course, here’s two pictures. and father bought new model, 1970s
Hi Jase, thanks for the pictures and confirmation that your father bought the watch in the 1970s, which fits with a production date of 1972. This is also supported by the ‘waterproof’ marking, since this can only be from the early 1970s at the latest – after that watches had to be marked ‘water resistant’. Do you know where your father bought it, was it in Korea? I ask because at the moment my best guess is that this is an export model, even though it has a kanji day wheel made in a factory outside Japan – I say this because it’s marked ‘waterproof’ rather than ‘parawater’, and is marked HMC which I think indicates the factory, although I’m afraid I don’t which one.
I’m still puzzled about the movement and why I can’t find any record of it – could you please confirm what the dial code is, I can’t quite see it clearly enough to be sure from the photo, and would you mind confirming whether it is hand wind only, or an automatic,
thanks,
Stephen
Hi stephen, thank u for your answer. I’m grateful your ardor to watch.
From what i understand, my father bought it official store in Korea. And i found another marking located at the bottom center of dial(front). It is marked “JAPAN-M 7104-5650”
Also this is an automatic.
thanks,
jase
Hi Jase,
Thanks for the additional information. This is still rather a puzzle! The only other model I’ve seen is a hand winder, yet seems to have the same movement number as yours. Is it possible for you to remove the back and get a picture? (please don’t try without the correct tool since you may damage it). Here’s a photo of the movement I have seen before – to be honest it doesn’t look like a Citizen movement even though it is marked as such:
The dial code on that looks to be in a similar format to yours, but is slightly different because it’s a different dial design:
The Black Cheetah name is also a mystery – I have no record of that in my reference material. When I first saw the one in the images I’ve just posted, I thought it was not a genuine Citizen, and had been made to look something like the Citizen Leopard automatic models with their leaping cat logo:
:
Please let me know if you can get a shot of the movement, the more close up the better 🙂 If you can, there should be a movement number stamped near the balance / hairspring.
Stephen
Hi Jase – I’ve been asking for help on identifying the movement from fellow collectors and watch makers. We think we may have found an answer, at least for the hand winding model in the pictures I posted. It looks like it might very well be a hand winding version of the 6500 automatic movement – this fits with the age of the watch. The design of the movement – position of the stem / balance wheel and drive train certainly look very alike, if you can imagine the auto winding gears removed from the top plate:
I know you said your father’s watch is an automatic, and I wondered if you have a photo of the movement to compare/
Stephen
Dear Stephen,
I apology for the late reply. Thanks for your e-mail. In addition, I appreciate your efforts to solve a puzzle. But I don’t have a corret tool to remove the back and get a picture. So asap I will go to the repair shop.
I don’t know if it was worth the overhaul and necessary repairs. Of course, a subjective decision, but Is it well worth the expense? What is your oppinion?
Jase
Hi Jase, no problem, it’s good of you to reply. Interested to see what is beneath that case back 🙂
Although I don’t try to guess values, I don’t think yours will have a high value. I has a different kind of value to you of course, since it is your father’s watch. If you were planning to use it daily or frequently I think it would be worth getting it serviced.
Stephen
Hi Stephen, here’s a photo of the movement. It’s same movement that you posted other Black Cheetah model.
So then, Do you still think that it was not a genuine Citizen?
Jase
Hi Jase, thanks for the great pic, very helpful, and it confimrs that it is a hand winder, same as the other one. I’ve come to the view that these are very likely genuine models – I suppose I can’t be absolutely sure since I’ve seen no ‘official’ confirmation of it, nor is there any record of the movement (and I’ve done a lot of searching!). But the models I’ve seen, three in all, have had similar features and of course all use this mystery movement. The movement appears to be a hand winding version of the 6000/6500 automatic – you can see some more work on this puzzle on the Asian watch Forum where I have asked for other expert’s views: http://www.network54.com/Forum/642233/thread/1363016116/Need+Help+with+Movement+ID
I don’t think I asked before, but did you or your watch repairer notice a movement number stamped near the balance wheel when you had the back off?
Thanks for keeping in touch about this, it’s always fun and interesting to have a puzzle to work on 🙂
Stephen
Hi Stephen, Why does the watch starts working just shake it without a hand winding??
Hi Jase – sometimes my hand winders will start ticking, but only for a short while, when I pick them up They’ll not keep running without winding them. Is that what you mean?
Stephen
hey guys i have an antique citizen watch basically made at the year 1905 17 jewels 4-163206smt , 6051905 ,65-2555 , water resistant sadly i dont know if it even works but do u think i can sell it ?
Hi, what you have is a ladies watch from May 1976 which has the 2302 movement in it. Although you can sell anything, even in good working condition one of these will not fetch much money since most collectors are after men’s watches. Although it’s a perfectly good time piece it is a basic model so it’s not got any special features that might be of interest.
Stephen
Stephan,
I have a square automatic citizen watch which is very thin. There no date or day displays.
Movement is marked 7021a 20 jewels and is very small, probably a ladies watch movement. The no on back is
4-795238 ta
5110442
65-0030
Can you please help with more information?
Hi Svk, sorry for a slow reply, been a busy day!
I’m afraid I can’t help very much with information about your watch – unfortunately there is very little information about women’s models and I can’t find references to the 7021 movement. From the style of the case number (4-795238) and the model number (65-0030) my best guess is that your watch is from the 1970s or 1980s. The seven digit serial number (5110442) also suggests this period, and gives a production date of either November 1975 or November 1985.
Sorry I can’t provide more info,
Stephen
Thanks. Shall try to upload a photo.
Hi Svk – you won’t be able to post a photo directly here, but you can post a link, if possible,
Stephen
Hi there,
Thanks for the great resource but I cant seem to locate my movement on the table.
Any help dating my Citizen would be much appreciated.
The movement is marked 7933E
and the caseback reads:
BASE METAL SHIG
7933-798791 J
1073226 45-3145
JAPAN
Thanks,
Dan
Hi Dan, thanks for your comment. I’m afraid my collection and research covers Citizen’s vintage mechanical and electro-mechanical models, made up to the late 1970s. Since yours is a quartz model, and later than that period, it isn’t in the table. From the information you’ve provided I would think your watch is from either July 1981, or July 1991. The style of the serial number and model number (453145) suggests to me it may be from 1981,
Stephen
Of course, had I not been researching at 1am I may have realised that your research didnt cover any quartz watches.
1981 is indeed correct, based on your suggestion I have found it in an archived catalogue.
Many thanks!
Hi Dan – good to hear you found information on your watch to confirm its production date,
Stephen
Hello: I send my best wishes. You helped me a lot with my Bullhead.
I have Citizen 21 J Automatic date with milanese strap. that I am not able to date…I presume is circa 1974?
Back is writen: Citizen Watch Co 4-164296SMK 610000042 72-0178 JAPAN ALL STAINLESS TEEEL WATER RESISTANT. I so thank you. Regards from volcanic Patagonia, Argentina.
Hi Sergio, good to hear from you again 🙂 Your 21 jewel automatic is from October 1976, and uses the 8210 movement which is the date only version of the 8200 auto. These were first produced around 1975 so it was made quite early in the production run. 8200 movements have been used right through to the modern day. Do you have any photos you can post a link to?
Stephen
Hello, could you assist me in finding some specific info about my citizen?
It’s manual wind, the dial reads these lines “Citizen, 17 Jewels, Water Protected, Unbreakable Spring, Parashock” The watch has no second indicator, only minute and hour indicator, no date indicator either. Pearlescent dial with black numeral numbers that indicate hours.
The backplate reads: “4-020189TA Waterprotected Stainless Steel” in a circular setup and in the middle of them is “63-5511 Citizen 20401035”
The only thing I really could figure out was the date and manufacturing number from the serial.
I’d really love to know which year this was produced, is it for men or women, what the exact model is, the original price maybe? And anything else you can find out about the watch.
I tried looking at the movement chart but I failed to find any information there
Thank you very much!
Hi Mika, thanks for visiting my blog. I’m sorry you couldn’t find information on your watch from the Movement Table – in fact you’ve highlighted through your question that I need to add something! From your description and the case number – 4-020189 – I can confirm your watch has a ‘Homer’ movement which was first produced in 1960. You can find that on page 2 of the Table, movement number is 0200/0201. Since yours is marked ‘Water Protected, Unbreakable Spring’, then I believe it’s an export model. It’s these dial markings I need to add to the Movement Table.
You can find more information about your model in this post: https://sweep-hand.org/2012/06/29/02-homer-family-tree-updated/ This mentions the 02 Family Tree where I have added a reference to the model: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/stephen.netherwood/020HomerFamilyTreeV2Secure.pdf. Also if you follow the link in the post yo can find comments about this model and links to a few images too.
Since yours has the later type of model number – 63-5511 – then yours can be dated to April 1972 via the first part of the serial number (20401035).
Yours is a gents watch, and was an ‘entry ‘level’ hand winder, which would not have been very expensive when new. Although the Movement Table gives original prices in Japanese yen forthe 0200, I’m afraid I don’t know what they cost in other currencies.
Finally, I’m surprised to hear that your watch has no second hand – I wonder if it has gone missing at some point. Have you any photos that you could post a link to (I’m afraid you can’t post images directly)?
Stephen
Hi Stephen, I have just bought a citizen 7 watch on ebay, with day and date, see photos :
http://hpics.li/4461cc6
http://hpics.li/b620d8a
And on the cover back it have this information :
citizen watch co
4-824351Y
3127996 or 8127996 (I cant see exactly the first number on the picture)
have you got any information about this model;
Thanks for your help
Hi kamal, thanks for visiting my blog. Your watch is an ‘Eagle 7’ from either December 1983 or 1988 I would think, depending on whether the first number is a three or an eight. There’s more information on the Eagle 7’s in this post: https://sweep-hand.org/2013/01/27/the-8200-movement-citizens-standard-auto/
Stephen
i bought father’s friend watch. citizen automatic 21jewels and there the eagle at under
citizen
water resist
stainless
4-282663 KT
40100988
71-3295
GN-4-s
how old that watch ? thanks
Hi inot – thanks for visiting my blog. I would think your watch is from January of 1984. It’s possible that it could be from 1994 since this movement (the 8200) has been used from 1975 through to the present day. There’s more info in this post on the 8200 Eagle 7 line: https://sweep-hand.org/2013/01/27/the-8200-movement-citizens-standard-auto/
Stephen
thank you very much, Stephen …. I’ve seen the link you gave, but there are differences in shape at his watch ..this watch almost octagonal form. not round .. nice to know you stephen.
Hi inot, you’re welcome. Hope you visit here again 🙂
Stephen
Hello Stephen,
I stumbled upon your blog while browsing for info on citizen ladies watches. I’m looking for an automatic vintage one, which I found on a local dutch website called Marktplaats, it’s similar to ebay.
However I am shocked that there are many fakes out there. So now I’m worried the one I have my eyes on is indeed a fake.
So I thought maybe you can help me out? I have three pictures, that are not very sharp (which is a red alert I guess). Further the seller says the numbers at the back of the Citizen auto watch are 230178 gn-4w-s. It’s from around 1980 and water resistant.
I’ve already asked the seller for more info this morning, but haven’t heard back yet.
I’m looking forward to your reply!
Many thanks,
Cheryl Schun
Hi Stephen,
I’ve just heard back from the seller and on the back is also the following: 4-ro6306rc.
Thank you,
Cheryl
Hi Cheryl, thanks for visiting my blog, and apologies for a slow reply. The most useful thing to help identify the watch and its movement is usually the case number, but this one looks to be an incorrect reading of it (i.e. 4-ro6306rc). It should consist of 4- then six numbers, maybe with a space and two letters after that. If the back is worn it may be hard for the seller to read the numbers correctly. So I’m not able to help much at the moment I’m afraid. Has the seller given any more info about the watch, e.g. what’s printed on the dial, number of jewels, and could you let me have a link to the pictures? Pictures will probably help most of all in fact 🙂
Stephen
Hi Stephen,
Thank you for your reply.
This is the link: http://www.marktplaats.nl/a/sieraden-tassen-en-uiterlijk/horloges-kinderen/m698619012-citizen-automaat-horloge-zie-foto-s-jaren-80.html?c=8c285449651fa109c354bbabe740c1b&previousPage=lr
Further information provider by the seller is that on the dial it says 21 jewels it has the eagle on it with a 7 surrounded in red.
He said the letters at the bottom of the dial are too small to read… But I could have a look at it myself before I purchase, as the seller lives nearby. And he wouldn’t mind I tried the watch on before I buy it.
I guess the number on the back should be 4-R06306 RC.
I hope you can give me more information!
Many thanks,
Cheryl
Hi Cheryl, thanks for the link. I think this is an original watch, but I’m not sure of the age. It’s more recent than the time period I am familiar with – I don’t think I’d describe it as ‘vintage’, in fact I’ve found similar models for sale on eBay described as new., e.g. http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-CITIZEN-EAGLE-7-AUTOMATIC-21-JEWELS-DAY-DATE-WR-LADIES-WATCH-LAST-FREE-SHIP-/261159628020
These have a different style of model number from older watches which is why I didn’t recognise it. Because it’s more recent I’m not sure which movement is used – if it is big enough a case to use the same one as in the men’s Eagle 7’s then it will be an 8200, which a sound and reliable movement. The seller describes it as ‘mint’ but the pictures aren’t clear enough to verify that, so it’s definitely worth looking at before buying.
Hope this helps,
Stephen
Thank you Stephen,
My main concern was if the Citizen watch is in fact an authentic one.
As for the age, it would be cooler if it’s from around the 80’s. But I wouldn’t mind if it’s a newer model. You reckon it’s from the 90’s or 2000?
As for the price, I don’t know if it’s expensive or not for a slightly used Citizen watch. What do you think?
And if the movement is different than the 8200 kind, is it still a good movement or are the newer ones used in these type of watches from less quality?
Thank you again, this is really helpfull!
Cheryl
Hi Cheryl – I think the watch is more likely to be 1990s or 2000s. The movement should be a ‘Miyota’ and will be fine. It should hand wind as well as being an automatic, so check that works when you go to see it. Also you could ask to see the movement if the seller is prepared to take the back off. It should be signed ‘Citizen’ or ‘Miyota’ and look something like this: http://www.esslinger.com/6t51-miyota-citizen-automatic-ltd-watch-movement.aspx
I’m not sure about the price – I’d offer less than the asking price though 🙂
Stephen
my watch shows:
WATER RESIST
BASE METAL BT
4-039645 SMT
40288973
GN-4W-S
JAPAN
can you provide some information on this?
Hi avajesh, thanks for visiting my blog and thanks for the information from the back of your watch. The case number is usually the most helpful part but yours (4-039645) is not one I am familiar with. Can I check that it is definitely 4-03, and not 4-02? Also, is it a hand winding watch and what are the markings on the dial? If you can post a link to photos of your watch it would be very useful in trying to provide more information. I’m sorry I’m asking questions rather than giving answers!!
Stephen
Thank you for considering my query.
It is 4-03 i rechecked. It is a hand winding watch. on the dial there is an Eagle 7 logo. below that in small letters it is written JAPAN-P-8200-S86968T-SM
Hi sweephand,
Thank you for it answering my query. is 4-03 i rechecked.It is a hand winding watch.
On the dial there is an Eagle 7 logo, 21 jewels underthat, and in small letters this code is there:
JAPAN-P-8200-S86968T-SM
Hi avajesh – thanks for the further information, which means that we can identify the watch as an Eagle 7 which uses the 8200 automatic movement. This movement was first produced in 1975 and has been used ever since. The Eagle 7 models were first produced in the 1980s I think, so yours is from February 1984 or it could be 1994. Unfortunately since the movement has been produced for many years it’s not possible to be absolutely certain in which year it was made.
The case material code – BT – is one I’ve not come across before as far as I can remember. What is the colour / finish on the case? Is it black?
Hope this helps,
Stephen
see picture here:
https://picasaweb.google.com/107632911598799517097/Watch?authuser=0&authkey=Gv1sRgCK-bxcPohfr-Lw&feat=directlink
thanks for the pics – I did my last message before I saw them 🙂 ‘BT’ means black case, the T could mean a titanium bezel, but I’m not sure, Citizen’s codes are not always obvious!
Stephen
thankyou very much sweephand.. 🙂
one more question, this watch goes 5 minutes fast every day. will there be any solution for this problem? i am affraid is this off-topic.
some regulation can be done by adjusting the balance spring, but 5 minutes is too much I think for that method. If your watch is running ok otherwise, it probably just needs a clean & service.
Stephen
Hi there,
I recently bought a ladies Citizen quartz watch and was wondering if you could help me age it?
Markings are:
CITIZEN WATCH CO.
BASE METAL YP
6031-G02361 K
81215434
JAPAN -> 12
I’m guessing late 70s? Any info. at all would be great! 🙂 Thanks!
Hi Sara, thanks for visiting my blog. Your watch uses the 6031 movement, and from the style of the markings on the back I think this is not as early as the late 1970s. I don’t know the production dates of the 6031 movement but I would guess that it is from 1988 or maybe 1998. I’m sorry I can’t be more precise, but there is little information around about quartz movements other than the very early and high end ones. Here’s a technical manual for the movement: http://www.watchuseek.com/archive/seikocitizen/Citizen_Technical_Manuals/6031.pdf
Stephen
Can you please tell me the year of manufacture and anything else interesting about it…thanks
Around the outer circle of the back of the watch reads: BASE METAL TOP, STAINLESS STEEL, WATERESISTANT
and in the centre it reads:
CITIZEN WATCH CO
4 – 068784 SMT
10864232
AV – 2044 GP
Hi Neek, thanks for visiting my blog. Your watch may be a bit later than the period I am most familiar with – can you tell me what’s on the dial, and is it a hand winder or an automatic?
Stephen
hi stephen ….I’m not sure but i think my citizen is fake here’s what is written at the back…CITIZEN WATCH CO. WATER RESIST BASE METAL 1032-R024102RC 573674 GN-0-S=>9 JAPAN
this => is an arrow and in front is japan movement …please can you help thank you. evelyn
Hi Evelyn, thanks for visiting my blog. Your watch is more recent than the vintage models I know well, but there is a Citizen quartz movement numbered ‘1032’, and the models which use that have similar model
numbers to yours. If you google ‘citizen quartz 1032’ you can find some examples which you can compare with your own. Hope this helps a bit!
Stephen
Sir, Can you send yours email ID & Face book ID please. If you have Face book Group Please add me in that group. Because i need yours help. I am a watch collector
Venkatesh Kandula
Hi Venkatesh – I’m afraid I don’t do face book. If you have any questions about vintage Citizens please ask here and I’ll do my best to reply,
Stephen
Stephen Sir,
CITIZEN AUTOMATIC, 21 Jewels,Dat & Date, P-8200 288961-KY
On Back Cover : CITIZEN, Water Resist, Stainless 4-282060 KT 20200436 71-2831 GN-4-S
Can you explain the details of this Watch please? Year ?
This is with 7 with in Eagle
Hi Venki, thanks for visiting my blog. You have one of the Eagle 7 automatics, which use the 8200 movement first produced around 1975. This movement became Citizen’s standard automatic, and has been used for many years, up to the present day in fact. The 8200 is a very sound and reliable movement with decent accuracy. The ‘Eagle 7’ line was started in the 1980s I think, and the serial number on yours (20200436) indicates is made in either February 1982 or February 1992. I can’t pin it down exactly I’m afraid. Here’s a page on the 8200 for more information: https://sweep-hand.org/2013/01/27/the-8200-movement-citizens-standard-auto/
Stephen
Sir,
I have one more watch (Winding Type) in my collection That is not having any Name on Daile of that watch.
Details on Machine (Movement): UNITAS, 15 Jewels, Swiss Made
On Back Cover: Anti Magnetic Inca bloc / Stainless Steel back / Water Resistant
Where i get this details please suggest me sir
Venki
India
Hi Venki – I’m sorry that I can’t help with Swiss movements at all. I can only suggest trying one of the big watch forums, maybe the WUS Public Forum: http://forums.watchuseek.com/f2/
Stephen
Hi,
I have my mom’s citizen and I would like to know something about this watch and how I can recharge it
In front:
Citizen
Automatic
21 jewels
In the back:
CITIZEN
WATCH CO.
Water resistent
Base metal top
Stainless steel back
4-661923 TA
8101072
54-0340
GN-4-S
Japan
GP
Thank so much for your time!
My mom pass away 10 years ago and I don’t have too much information about this watch but it means alot to me.
Hi Lidia, thanks for visiting my blog, and for providing all the information shown on your watch. The movement in the watch is the 6600 which is a very good one first produced around 1970. They were made with no date, just date, and date and day windows and with either 17 or 21 jewels. The interesting part (for watch geeks anyway!) is that they are a high beat movement – this means they tick more quickly than a standard movement, giving greater accuracy. The 6600 in your beats at 28,800 beats per hour, i.e. 8 beats per second.
The movement, as shown on the dial, is an automatic, but as far as I know it should also hand wind, so it should wind up and run by winding the crown. If that doesn’t start it up try ‘waving’ the watch from side to side for 30 seconds or so and see if it starts running. An automatic has a rotor – a weight that swings – which winds the watch when it’s worn. As long as the wearer is fairly active it should stay wound. Hopefully yours is not broken – if it doesn’t start up it may need cleaning and oiling if it’s otherwise ok.
The markings on the back are:
4-661923 – the case number
8101072 – the serial number
54-0340 – the model number
GN-4-S – the case type, this one has a screw on case back
GP – means that the case is gold plated
The serial number gives us the production date from the first 3 digits – since these were made in the 1970s yours was most likely made in October 1978. I doubt that it would have been made in 1988. Does this give the watch the right kind of age do you think?
Hope this is helpful,
Stephen
Wow you are amazing! Thank you!
My watch works very good, I am from Costa Rica, where I think my mom bought it. I took it to cleaning and oiling and since that day works good, but sometime just stop, and I didn’t know how to recharged it propertly. Now is going to work better than ever!
Thank you again!
That’s great to hear Lidia – enjoy the watch, it’s good to have something your mother wore 🙂
Stephen
hi i have a citizen quartz watch
base metal yp 2250-226658 y
7020351
39-5382
japan 10
can you tell me something about this watch
Hi Monika, thanks for visiting my blog 🙂
I’m afraid my field is older mechanical watches – I can tell you that yours is a quartz model using the 2250 movement. The serial number – 7020351 – gives the date of production, but I’m not sure which decade it was made in. My best guess is February 1987 – would that seem about right from what you know of the watch?
Stephen
Hi this is great forum , just added it to favourites bar and share it with my friends … As many of you here I came a cross this blog when looking for some information about citizen women’s wrist watch can you please give me some information about this item :
Citizen watch co.
Base metal m
6031-s46713 cws
041804
–>5
Thanks.
Hi Alex – I’m not an expert on the quartz movements I’m afraid, but from the information on the case back I can tell you that your watch uses Citizen’s 6031 movement. Here’s a technical guide about it: http://www.awci.com/wp-content/uploads/watch-tech-guides/CITIZEN-TECH-GUIDES/6031-Technical-Information.pdf
6031-s46713 is the model number, whilst 041804 is the serial number. I don’t know when this movement was first made, nor for how long, and the technical guide isn’t dated. My best guess is that yours is from
1990 (from first digit of the serial number). Does that seem to fit from what you know of the watch?
Stephen
I have A citizens watch also if anyone can tell me anything about it..
4- 169131 SMD
707 3516
74 -2015
Hi Doug, thank you for visiting my blog. The numbers on the case back of your watch suggest that it has a 6900 automatic movement (date only I think). These are very nice high beat movements running at 28,800 beats per hour. The case number (4-169131) and the model number (74-2015) are correct for this sort of movement, and am I right that it is a ladies watch? Does the dial have any markings other than Citizen? This movement was used in models called ‘Cosmostars’ but that may not be present if it’s an export model.
The serial number, 7073516, tells us it was made in July 1977 (i.e. ‘707’).
Stephen
hi there dont no if you can help .
i have a regency hand winding watch with a citizen 0200 series movement i think . it has 1801 on it . it also has a date window . on the back of it the name looks a golden colour . any information would welcome
thanks robert
Hi Robert, thanks for visiting my blog. Interesting to hear about your watch – I’m not aware of the Regency brand using Citizen movements, but it’s possible that they did supply other companies. I have googled vintage Regency watches and I’ve seen a few marked ‘Swiss’ on the dial. How is the dial on yours marked? A Citizen 0200 movement with a date window would be marked 1801 so it does sound like a Citizen ‘Homer’ movement. Have you any photos of the watch, especially the movement? If so, although you can’t post them directly here, you can post a link to somewhere like Photobucket. Or I can email you so you can send them to me so I can post them.
Stephen
hello Stephen thanks for the reply . here are some pictures for[image: Inline images 1][image: Inline images 2][image: Inline images 3] my regency watch
thanks again robert
Hi Robert, sorry for a late reply – have been away for a couple of days. I’m afraid the links to your pics are not working. Would you like me to email you so you can send them to me for uploading?
Stephen
hello Stephen i will try this way a link to photobucket
http://s953.photobucket.com/user/robert_murphy3/library/?sort=9&page=1
thanks again robert
Thanks for the new link Robert, that works fine. And your watch definitely looks to have a Citizen movement in it. I have seen ‘Regency’ watches with Swiss movements in them, so it looks to me like they also used Citizen movements, marking them with their own name rather than ‘Homer’. I’ll have to try and find out more about the Regency brand, so far I have had little luck.
Stephen
Hi, Robert and Stephen!
I have Regency also, it´s with ETA cal.1080 and the case looks almost identical with Roberts one. There is “21” in case back of mine version, Robert have “14”. The Regency logo are identical in both watches, so they are from same company.
What i found is that there are two company which have been made Regency-brand: Wilka Watch Co and Accurist SA. It´s hard to say, which one is behind this particural Regency, but my guess is Accurist. It´s more likely, that Accurist have been used Citizen movements than Wilka, which have made tens of different brands… But as i said, just guessing…
Marko
Hi Marko, thanks for your information and observations. Will do a bit of research….
Stephen
hi stephen and marko
i have came across this regency watch it is not the same dial as mine but other than that it looks similar but you cant see the movement it also says accurist made it . thanks for the pointer marko
thanks robert
http://www.etsy.com/listing/164385889/beautiful-vintage-mens-watch-17-jewels
Hi!
That´s the same logo as there is with ours Regencys! So, it´s clear, that the maker is Accurist.
Quite expensive pricing for that kind of watch, consider that is gold plated, not solid gold…
Thanks for the link, Robert!
Regards, Marko
Thanks for finding that one Robert – as Marko says it looks like Accurist was the manufacturer, or ‘assembler’ of these.
Stephen
Hi stephen…
Need ur help 4 this details
6100-G06498 k
00500335
GN-4-S
JAPAN 10
Hi Aziz, your watch is a quartz model, and is more recent than the vintage mechanical watches I am more familiar with. I noticed when I ‘googled’ about it that you can get replacement Miyota movements for them. I would guess that yours is probably from 1990.
Sorry I can’t be of much help.
Stephen
Tq. Stephen
Hi stephen..need ur advice 4 this 2 item, which one better?
Seiko 5 17 jewel auto
660362
7009-5862
Citizen auto
4-039050 HSE
616828
NH4000
GN-4-S
Hi Abdul, first thing to say is that both the Seiko 7s26 movement used in the Seiko 5, and the Citizen (Miyota) 8200 movement in the NH4000 are sound and reliable, providing they are in good condition and have not been abused of course. Both movements have been produced for a long time so have proved themselves over the years. I know the 8200 can run very accurately too – I’ve seen quite a few posts on forums by owners who have fine tuned them to within a few seconds per day. Both movements run at 21,600 beats per hour and have day and date features. The 8200 can be hand wound as well as being an automatic, which I think is quite a nice feature when you want to get a watch up and running quickly without having to wave it around!
Since both of these movements are good ones, it probably comes down to which one you like the look of most, what the condition and price are, and whether you really want the hand winding capability of the Citizen.
Hope this helps,
Stephen
Hello.. Please help me to find the date and the model of my vintage Citizen watch..
It Says –
CITIZEN
WATER RESIST
STAINLESS
4-038568 K
60900055
GN-4-S
JAPAN
Hi there Stephen,
Today i cleared and cleaned up my loft.
I found an old Citizen watch from my father and stranded at your blog.
Can u give me some info about it.
The watch info is:
Citizen Automatic 21 Jewels
BLG
6501
4-652371 TA
40201497
61-0283
GN-1-S
Water Resistant
Thanks in advance.
Greatings Matthijs.
Hi Matthijs, thank you for visiting my blog, and thanks for providing all the information from the case back on your father’s watch. What this tells us is that you have an automatic with black case and gold bezel (BLG) powered by Citizen’s 6501 movement. This movement was first produced in 1971, and only had a short production run into the mid-1970s when the development of quartz watches dramatically changed the watch world. The 21 jewel movement is a good quality one and runs at 21,600 beats per hour – the 6501 version has both day and date complications.
4-652371 is the case number and 61-0283 is the model number, which would have been useful for the watch maker when servicing. GN-1-S is the case type, indicating that it has a screw on back. Use of water ‘resistant’ shows it is from after around 1970 when watch manufacturers had to stop using water ‘proof’ (Citizen usually used ‘parawater’ rather then waterproof).
The first three digits of the serial number provide the production date, so yours was made in February 1974 (40201497). Did your father buy this one when it was new? How is the condition of the watch after spending time in the loft?….
Stephen
Hi again Stephen,
Thanks again for all the info, and fast reaction.
And your right its a black case with a gold bezel and a gold color clock-face, the number markers are placed in a square shape.
He bought this one new.
I now wear it almost 2 days and its still running on time
pretty remarkable after almost 40 years 🙂
The knob is left sided of the watch, this is something i don’t see very often.(or maybe i just wont to make it more special)
greatings for now.
Matthijs.
You’re welcome Matthijs, always good to hear that an old citizen is back in use 🙂 I’m surprised to hear it has a left side crown – that’s very unusual. Have you any photos? (you can’t post photos directly here but I can e-mail you if you want to send them to me, or you could upload them to somewhere like photobucket and post a link).
Stephen
Hey Stephen,
Here are some quick pics.
I hope they are good.
greatings.
Hi! I have a NOS citizen seven star and on the dial it says 33 jewels, but the movement is 5270 calibre with 21 jewels! The watch is made in 69 and had all the stickers and price tag attached. Do you have any reasonable explanation, by any chance, about this? Thank you! 🙂
Hi Stephen! By the way, this is my site about vintage citizen watches, and this is my “answer” to this situation: http://vintagecitizenwatches.com/2013/12/27/citizen-day-date-crystal-seven-4-520068-t/ I would really appreciate your opinion. Thank you!
Hi Doc, good to hear from you 🙂 I’ve had a good look at your watch and my reference material – and I read your “answer” to the mystery of the 5270 21 jewel movement with a 33 jewel dial. My conclusion is a bit different though I’m afraid…
Here’s what I think – and the info on the case back is useful in this assessment. The case number is 4-520068, and as it happens I have a scan from this model on one of my blog pages, although it has a different design from yours;
You can see from this that the case number is for a Seven Star model, not a Crystal Seven. The model is a Seven Star Deluxe in fact with day and date window at 3 o’clock (I have a pic of that in a book, but I’ve not scanned it yet), which uses a 21 jewel 5270 movement. The dial design with a separate day window at 12 o’clock was used in the earlier Crystal Seven models up to 1968 as far as I’ve seen, so a production date of 1969 seems too late for that layout to me. So it looks to me that the NOS case and 5270 movement has been used with a NOS Crystal Seven dial and day/date wheels (I guess they would fit since it’s the same base movement) and although presented as an original NOS piece I doubt that this is correct.
Stephen
Thank you do much! I hope one day i will know as much as you do about vintage citizen watches. You are my main inspiration and because of your excelent blog i started writting about my watches. One more question (then i will have to change my “answer”, when do you think the case and the movement met giving birth do this watch? Is there any chance to be build as this, or just a modern marriage put together a few years (months) ago?
Thanks Stephen! I mean, when do you think the dial and the date wheel were instaled? Was this the way it was manufactured or just a modern watch with vintage pieces?
(Is is ok if i placed your anwer in my site?)
Good to see your blog, I will make a link to it if that’s ok with you 🙂 No problem about you posting my answer on your site. I don’t know when the watch was put together, it could be any time I guess – where did you find it?
Stephen
I would love to have a link on your blog. It is an honor! (i will do the same, even though my blog is really small 🙂 ) I have a few Citizen watches (i am only beginning to write about them) and this particular one i have it from ebay, from Singapore.
Thanks Doc 🙂
Stephen
Hey, I have a citizen 21 jewels of my father.My father is still 54 so i think it should not be old can u also tell me the value of the watch.
4-280351 KT
10800015
71-1951
Hi Kaushal, thanks for visiting my blog. Your father’s watch is an automatic with Citizen’s 8200 movement, and is probably marked on the dial with the Eagle 7 logo. The 8200 automatics were produced from the mid 1970s right through the following 30 years so it’s not so easy getting the production year from the first digit of the serial number (10800015). As far as I know the Eagle 7 models were first produced in the 1980s – I think 1981 is probably too early, so I would say 1991 is most likely. There were a great many models made over the years with the 8200 movement so I’m afraid they do not have any great value these days. If you Google the model number (i.e. ‘vintage Citizen 71-1951’) you should find a few examples that have sold on eBay to give you an idea of value.
Stephen
thank you stephen i appreciate u for helping me and i am gonna keep wearing the watch for sometime as it is quite good. 😀
You’re welcome 🙂 Good to hear that you are going to keep using the watch,
Stephen
Hi Stephen !! Excellent work on your blog, I can’t imagine how much time you’ve put into it. So I have a new master 33 citizen watch. From what I’ve learned (from your blog ) it has the 1802 movement and the 7 digit number is 9087000 so it’d be an August 1969 watch ?? I’ll try to post some pics too if I am able. What I’m curious about though is if the dial is original ? I haven’t seen the new master 33 much in my research. Also what’re these watches worth ? The face shows new master 33 with citizen above it on the left and on the right it has 21 jewels with para water below it, but on the case back it has water proof. Just trying to learn what I can about it. Thanks again for all your work !! And happy new year !!!
I couldn’t get any pics on here … But if you need any extra info just let me know ☺️
Hi Corey, thanks for visiting my blog 🙂 I’m afraid visitors can’t post pics directly, but if you have uploaded to somewhere like PhotoBucket you can post a link. Or I can email you and you could send them to me so I can post here – let me know if you would like me to do that.
I have come across Newmaster 33 before so as far as I know it is a valid marking, and sounds like the dial markings are laid out correctly. I’ve seen Newmaster 22 and 23 too – I don’t know how many numbers like this were used, nor why! It would be good to see a pic of the dial to be sure. You’re right about the date – August 1969 – it couldn’t be 1959 since they weren’t made then and it isn’t 1979 since it’s marked ‘parawater’ (would be ‘water resistant’ in 1979). Does the back have a model number on it, for example 63-1396?
Stephen
Happy new year fellow watch afficianotos 😊 and yeah it does have a model number it’s 63-1019. An I’d be more than happy to email some pics if you want me too.
Thanks Corey – that looks like the correct model number, I’ll email you for pics 🙂
Stephen
Here’s Corey’s watch, thanks for the pics 🙂 – I think the second hand is a later replacement but otherwise all seems original:
The movement is clearly a Homer, with 21 jewels:
The case back shows the model number:
This pic shows the dial markings a little better – the crown shaped marker at 12 o’clock is typical of these hand winding Newmasters:
Thanks again Corey,
Stephen
Thanks for all the info Stephen !! The watch is currently not running but with all I know about it now I think that I’ll see about getting it serviced and back up and going. It’s a nice vintage watch that I’ll be glad to use.
You’re welcome Corey 🙂
Hey, I bought a citizen 21 jewels eagle 7 .can you help me to know how old the watch ? also help me to find some info about that watch
4-039611 K
420412
GN-4-S
Hi Sharon, thanks for visiting my blog. Your watch uses the 8200 automatic movement Citizen first produced around 1975. It’s been used ever since, so dating these can be difficult. My best guess on yours, based on the styling, is that it is from 1994 (from the ‘4’ at the start of the serial number – 420412). There is some more info on the movement and its history here: https://sweep-hand.org/2013/01/27/the-8200-movement-citizens-standard-auto/
Stephen
thank you for your help …i found this blog very helpfull
do you know mybee if its rare ?
sharon
You’re welcome 🙂 Generally speaking Eagle 7 models are not rare, since many were made in different styles over the years.
Stephen
Hi Stephen,
Thank you so much for your wonderful blog on Citizen Vintage watches! My dad just passed me a Citizen watch recently, it’s a hand-wound mechanical watch with no second hand. I’ve not been able to find anything about it on the Internet so far. The dial is gold with black Roman numerals and just the brand CITIZEN.
The back says:
CITIZEN
WATCH CO.
BASE METAL TOP
ST. STEEL BACK
4-167899 SMN
1060845
76-2261
GP
Do you happen to have any information about this watch? Thank you for your help!
Best regards,
Frank
Hi Frank, thanks for visiting my blog and your kind comments – much appreciated 🙂 I can tell you a little bit about your watch, or at least the movement in it, although it’s not one I know very well. As you have discovered, there is very little, if anything, on the internet about them. From the case number (4-167899) I can tell you that the movement used is the 6800 hand winder – this is a woman’s watch movement and was first made, as far as I know, in the early 1980s. The 6800 runs at 21,600 beats per hour and was made with 21 jewels – there may possibly have been other versions, perhaps with 17 jewels, but I don’t know for sure. Here’s a pic of the movement:
The oval shape of this, and its relatively small size is an indication of it being used in ladies’ watches. Here’s an example of a case back, showing a similar case number to yours (the key bit is ‘167’):
(pics from internet, with acknowledgement to owner [not known])
The model number on yours – 76-2261 – is not much help in finding information, but it would have been useful in its day to watch makers when they were doing a service who could have used it to order parts. ‘GP’ indicates of course that yours is gold plated over a base metal case. As far as I know ‘SMN’ indicates the factory where the watch was made, but I don’t know what the codes stand for. The first three digits of the serial number – 1060845 – indicate the production date. I think June 1981 is most likely – I don’t think it would be June 1991, not least since by then Citizen were making a quartz model with a 6800 movement. I doubt that they would have two movements in production at the same time with the same number.
Finally, these movements did have a second hand – do you think it may have gone missing in action at some time?
Stephen
Hi Stephen, thanks for the kind reply! Your information is indeed insightful! What surprises me most is that this is a movement for a lady’s watch, since the dial is quite big and measures 34mm across. Could it be possible that men’s watches were also produced using this movement? I’m looking at the caseback and notice that the backplate is indeed much smaller than the dial, suggesting that the movement is small. I have taken 2 photographs of both the front and back and they’re at:
My dad bought this watch from an old watch dealer in the 90’s, so I’m not sure if it came with a second hand originally. The watch does not look like it has been damaged though, although it could have been serviced and the second hand removed.
Best regards,
Frank
You’re welcome Frank – thanks for the links to your photos, always good to see pics 🙂 You may be right that this is a man’s watch, I know Citizen have done this in other models, e.g. https://sweep-hand.org/2011/09/21/this-weeks-featured-watch-14-the-cosmotron-5800/
It would be usual to have a second hand with this movement. However, from your pic of the dial I’m not sure whether it has a hole in the centre of the hands where a second hand would fit, it looks like the centre of the minute hand is filled. Is there a dial code on yours? It’s normally right at the bottom of the dial, and may need a magnifier to read it. It would be good to see the movement, to make sure it’s an authentic 6800 model. Are you able to get the back off? Please don’t try without the right tool though, don’t want you to damage the case and / or back.
Stephen
Hi Stephen, thanks for your kind help! I just used a loupe to look at the dial code, and it reads: 0180-043933 SMS. The centre of the minute hand does look like it is filled with a round piece of metal, so not sure whether the minute hand should fit in there. I can’t get the back plate off yet as I don’t have the tools for it at the moment 🙂
Best regards,
Frank
Hi Frank – thanks for checking out the dial code. Dial codes can be very helpful, since they often indicate what movement is used. And after further research, yours does just that 🙂 The movement in yours is in fact an 0180, not a 6800 as I originally thought from the case number. Most importantly, and unlike the 6800, the 0180 has no second hand, so that clears up that little puzzle. It looks to me that the 0180 and 6800 are part of the same family of movements first made around 1975.
Stephen
Hi Frank – look what I just found!: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/JAPAN-VINTAGE-CITIZEN-CLASSIC-OLD-STYLE-MANUAL-WIND-MEN-WATCH-/231198486968?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item35d480f1b8
Stephen
Hi Stephen thanks so much for your help! What a pleasant surprise, that’s the exact watch I have! Too bad the eBay description does not indicate its model or year. Would you have any idea what its original selling price was in the 80’s? My watch is still running very accurately even after 30 years 🙂
Hi Frank, you’re welcome 🙂 I’m afraid I don’t have any reference materiel for your watch or similar ones form the 1980s so I can’t help with original retail prices. Great to hear the watch is still running well.
Stephen
Hi!
Stephen, have to tell, that i have bought a few watches from that seller and all of them have been dirty,as is that one in your link. Plating seems to be waisted, also… Well, i could buy watches for parts, but that´s all from that seller :D.
Regards, Marko
Hi Marko – I’ve never bought from that seller, so good to see your cautionary comments, thank you. I posted the link for Frank because it was such a coincidence to find the exact same watch as his,
Stephen
Hi, Stephen!
That´s what i presumed, but i tought it´s better to warn, so that everyone should know that fact :D.
And that´s really a coincidence to find such a “pair” :D.
Stephen, i´ll send an e-mail to you little later, got a lot of things … 😀
Regards, Marko
Agreed Marko, thanks again for the warning – looking forward to your email 🙂
Stephen
Hi Marko, thanks for the heads-up! Yes the watch posted by the seller does seem to be a bit dirty. Mine looks like new and I would never have guessed its age until Stephen told me!
Hi stephen , I am from Jakarta indonesia , my name hasan , I bought a citizen 21 jewels eagle , .can you help me to know how old the watch ?
CITIZEN
WATER RESIST
STAINLESS
4-039203-SMK
640310
GN-4w-S
thank you
hi Hasan, thanks for visiting my blog. Your watch is one of the ‘Eagle 7′ models, which uses the 8200 automatic movement. This movement was first used in 1975 and Citizen has used it ever since which makes them tricky to date. From the first three digits of the serial number (640310)I think yours was made in April 1986 (it could possibly be 1996, but 1986 seems more likely to me). There’s more info on the 8200 here: https://sweep-hand.org/2013/01/27/the-8200-movement-citizens-standard-auto/
Stephen
Hi, Frank!
Well, should be a duty of everyone to warn about that kind of the seller… It´s not the end of the world, if you pay $10 for that watch and if i recall right, there was a decent dial and so on, so it might be a good sparepart-watch :).
It´s allways amazing to find those old watches in good shape, especially when you get the caseback off and look at the movement and you find shining marvel, even though it has been closed for e.g. 30-50 years and it still runs :D.
Even though your watch are still working, i recommend you to get it to the watchmaker and let him do a basic-service for it, mechanical movements requires this to be done a time to time, for example between 2-10 years.
Welcome to the wonder-world of the mechanical watches 😀 !
Regards, Marko
hola me encontré con este gran post soy de Mexico .quería saber si me pudieras facilitar información de este modelo
citizen watch co wáter resist base metal yp
6650-074904 M
00800307
GN-4W-S
Hola Gilbert, gracias por visitar mi blog y tu amable comentario 🙂 En 1968 Citizen empezado haciendo relojes en México, así que puede ser tuyo fue hecha en su país de origen. Lamentablemente no conozco el movimiento automático 6650 muy bien. Entiendo fue hecha en la década de 1980 y 1990 y fue utilizado a veces en ‘Eagel 7’ modelos así como relojes. Desde el número de serie de su reloj – 00800307 – creo que es a partir de agosto de 1990. ¿Crees que esto es correcto
(Hello Gilbert, thank you for visiting my blog and your kind comment 🙂 In 1968 Citizen started making watches in Mexico, so may be yours was made in your home country. Unfortunately I do not know the 6650 automatic movement very well. I understand it was made in the 1980s and 1990s, and was sometimes used in ‘Eagle 7’ models as well as ladies watches. From the serial number on your watch – 00800307 – I would think it is from August 1990. Do you think this is correct?)
Stephen
Hi, can’t seem to download the file and can’t seem to find any info about my watch, any help would be great 9D5330 GN-D-S I’m pretty sure it’s not that old or valuable but I would like to know more about it. Cheers
Hi Cameron, thanks for visiting my blog – I’m not sure why you can’t download the file. Do the .pdf task bar appear when you mouse over the screen? The Movement Table mauy not help anyway if your watch is later than 1980, and the serial number format (9D5330) suggests it is later than that. Is there other information on the case back you can post, for example a model number (format of 12-3456) and or a case number (format of 4-123456)? Also, can you tell me what’s on the dial, especially if you can see a dial code at the bottom – it’ll be very samll near the 6 o’clock marker, and you may need a magnifier to read it.
Stephen
Hi, thanks for getting back to me, the only other thing on the back is 1102-S66587 HSB? On the watch face under the IV is JAPAN MOVT-1102-N96436-KA hope that helps, age and value would really help thanks so much.
Cheers
Cam
Thanks for the info Cameron. The model number – 1102-S66587 – tells us that the watch has a quartz 1102 movement in it. I found one on the web, sold via a web shop, see here: https://webshop.cashconverters.com.au/item/1912702/citizen-watch-mens-watch-gold-tone-stainless-steel-1102-s66587. That had a ‘buy-it-now’ price of AUSD39. I’m afraid I don’t have more information for you since it is a relatively recent model – I would think it could be from December 1999 (from first two digits of the serial number (9D5330).
Stephen
Thanks for your help Stephen, I know where to come if I get another one in the future. Cheers
You’re welcome – sorry I couldn’t provide anything more.
Stephen
Hey!
I’ve got an Citizen Automatic 7 eagle 21 jewels watch, I’m unable to find anything about it.
The details behind the watch are as follows.
“Citizen
Water Resist
Stainless
4-285662 KT
21 201866
71-2434
GN-4-S”
This is my late grandfaters watch, it would mean a lot to me, if you can shed some details.
Thank you.
Hi Nikitesh, thanks for visiting my blog 🙂 I’m afraid I don’t have information on your particular model – the model number is 71-2434. The ’71’ models used the 8200 automatic which was first made around 1975, and the ‘Eagle 7’ ones appeared in the 1980s. ‘4-285662’ is the case number, and GN-4-S is the case type, which refers to a waterproof case and crystal. The serial number helps to give a production date – is yours 201866 or 21201866? Either way it seems that yours was made in 1982. Would that fit with when your grand father might have bought it? Here’s some more info abut the 8200:
Stephen
Hello Stephen, my name is Cristian Manea and would like to ask you if you please shed some light over these numbers? Like very much the watch and would like to know some more about it. I know it’s a Crystron. Thank you.
CITIZEN
WATCH CO.
WATERRESISTANT
ALL STAINLESS STEEL
4 – 853458Y
8101760
44 – 6092
GN -5 – U
JAPAN
Hi Cristian, thanks for visiting my blog 🙂 Can you have a look at the dial on your watch, and is there a number printed at the bottom, under or at the side of the 6 o’clock marker? You my need a magnifier to read it. That would be helpful to identify what movement is inside.
Stephen
Hi Stephen and thank you for your reply. It says JAPAN 85xx-851690Y (can’t see the what is after 85; if guessing, would say the third one is a 9). Thank you, Stephen, have a nice evening.
Hi Cristian, thanks for the dial code info. Your watch is one of the earliest Crystron models – in its day it would have been an expensive piece as quartz technology was still new at that time. The movement is probably an 8565, which was first produced in 1978. The first three digits in the serial number give a production date of October 1978. I don’t think it would be 1988 since this movement would have been replaced by then as the technology was developed very quickly.
44-6092 is the model number of your watch, but I couldn’t find any images of it. 4–853458Y is the case number, whilst GN-5-U is the case type.
Here’s a nice page which gives more information, where you’ll see two versions of Citizen’s early quartz movements and a case back with a ’44’ model number: http://www.crazywatches.pl/citizen-crystron-7300-8565-quartz-1978
Stephen
Thank you, Stephen.
You’re welcome 🙂
Hye….
I’ve got an Citizen Automatic 21 jewels watch, I’m unable to find anything about it.
The details behind the watch are as follows.
“Citizen
Water Resist
Stainless
4-280041 KT
30401318
51-8093
This is my late grandfaters watch, it would mean a lot to me, if you can share some details.
Thank you.
Hi Yuzzrizz, thank you for visiting my blog. Your late grandfather’s watch has the 8200 automatic movement inside, which was first produced around 1975. In good condition it is a reliable and accurate movement and has been produced by Citizen for over 30 years. I think your watch will have an ‘eagle 7’ motif on the dial? Is that correct? If so, with the model number 51-8093 and case number 4-280041 it is most probably from the early 1980s. The first three numbers of the serial number – 30401318 – give a more accurate production date, of April 1983. I hope this helps – there is a bit more information on the 8200 movement here: https://sweep-hand.org/2013/01/27/the-8200-movement-citizens-standard-auto/
Stephen
thanks so much…very usefull information…glad to know it…thanks…
You’re welcome Yuzzrizz 🙂
Hi there, Just wanted some info on this watch I’ve inherited.
On the back its reads:
CITIZEN
BASE METAL YP
3620-945689 SMG
40900120
36-7346
On the front of the watch in very small print it reads:
3620-892655SMS
Any info would help thanks
Hi Dan, thanks for visiting my blog. Sorry for delay in replying, but the weather is very good here at the moment so I’ve not been in the house very much! From the info you’ve given, you have a quartz watch – my area of knowledge is mainly the older mechanical models so I’m not so familiar with the quartz models, and Citizen has made a great many of them over the years. I can tell you that the case number – 3620-945689 (and the dial code) – gives us the movement used, i.e. 3620. 36-7346 is the model number, but that doesn’t tell us very much! ‘YP’ – Yellow Plate – indicates it is a gold tone watch. Dating the watch is problematic since there is little reference material for the quartz models since they are not collected so much, unless they are high end or very early examples. The serial number – 40900120 – can give us the production date, but without knowing which decade the movement was made we have a problem. The best I can say is that it is from either September 1984 or 1994, I’m afraid I can’t say any more definitely than that,
Stephen
Hello,
I found a citizen quartz watch and would like know more about it if possible. It doesn’t appear to be super old but I am not a collector. I recently bought a ‘lot’ of jewelry with intentions to recycle the beads and such. However, there were a few watches included that have stumped me. The ladies citizen quartz watch is silver with a white face. The band is silver and stretchy without a clasp.
The face reads:
mov’t Japan Dial Taiwan 2250-S33961Z SMS
*I assume that the information above is in regards to the face design.
The back reads:
Citizen Watch Co.
base metal CP
2250-S09524-SMW
8104645
–> 11
According to the citizen official website – I think that the 2250 is the caliber but I do not see anything about jewels and have not opened the back. I fear that I might break it.
Any info is appreciated!
I too – can send pics!
Hi Jennifer , thanks for visiting my blog. As Hunter explains in his response, my area is primarily mechanical watches prior to 1980 so I’m afraid I can’t help very much. The movement used in yours is the 2250, and given the dial says it is Taiwan made I would think (from the serial number – 8104645) it was made in 1998. The -> 11 mark indicates the point where the back can be prised off (i.e. the 11 o’clock position) whilst ‘CP’ indicates it is chrome plated
Stephen
Perhaps you haven’t read the site too much. Quartz watches aren’t covered here. Just mechanical.movements.
Hiya
I just found my grandpa’s Citizen gold watch & wondering if you can tell me the year/month it was produced. I can’t quite figure it out.
I believe it is the Eagle 7 Automatic – has the eagle logo on the face & 21 Jewels with the numbers being:
8200-R10583 RC
070344
Thank you!
Hi Alicia – thanks for visiting my blog. It is quite difficult to date the Eagle 7 watches, since the automatic movement they use has been msde by Citizen for well over 30 years. The Eagle 7 line was introduced in the 1980s, and I think yours is a later one given it has a later type of model number (8200-R10583). The first three digits of the serial number – 070344 – give the production date so I think yours is from July 1990.
Stephen
Hi Sweephand, got something you may find interesting (or not cos it’s a quartz?). Integra diver, e.l. dial,cal 6290, case number6290-L14859. serial 500027.It’s a mix of what looks like a miyota 2035 type movement sitting on an e.l. board. Can’t find any reference to it anywhere although the cal 6290 does (or did) exist. 20 bar rating so it was clearly intended to be taken seriously as a divers’ watch although it resembles a Casio rather than a citizen (black case.ally bezel). Know anything about it other than what I’ve just provided? 🙂 I can supply snaps if you want, cheers, Gerry.
Hi Gerry, thanks for visiting my blog – apologies for a slow reply but I was away from home for a few days. I’m not an expert on Citizen’s quartz movements I’m afraid, so I had a quick look around but couldn’t find any info on the 6290 movement. I found just one example, called an ‘Integra’ and ‘Ignis’, for sale in Japan:
I would guess this is from the 1990s, but I’m afraid I can’t offer any more info.
Stephen
Hi Stephen, thanks for the reply, that is indeed the same watch, you did better than me, I trawled the internet for ages and couldn’t find a darned thing. You’re correct with the dates (early 90’s) I found a couple of patents from Citizen for around this period. Apparently it would be around the time of the Timex Ironman which showed a marked increase in market share for that company and continues to be a feature in their offerings, Citizen obviously were looking at trends in the market at that time. Interestingly their first patent application for the ‘idea’ was around four or five years before. I think this particular watch was a market tester,they did follow it up with a later e.l. line including a diver (8210a) using a more integrated movement, the 6210 and non d/d 6230. Strangely these later movements had an earlier number,but that’s nothing unusual when investigating chronology. 🙂 Not really your bag I understand but I hope of interest nonetheless. Many thanks, Gerry
Although it’s not my time period it’s interesting to see and hear about Citizen’s watches, especially the more unusual examples. Thanks for taking the time to post your comments.
Stephen
Hi Stephen thought you or maybe your readers might like to know I managed to get mine going again by transplanting a 6230 movement in place of the original 6290 (which was way beyond repair due to corrosion) so it’s up and running now. I bought two 6230’s as they’re only £10 each and they’re also now unavailable from Citizen/miyota so this one should be good for a long while to come! 🙂 It’s not an easy job as there are dimensional differences and the dial had to be trimmed accurately to fit the new module , but the stem and crown do transplant so externally and functionally it’s identical . It’s a very rare watch so well worth the effort,but if anyone else out there has a non working one of these, don’t give up hope, it can be done. I’d post photo’s but can’t seem to find any way of doing it on your site. Thanks for your input. Interested to know about the Japanese site you found the photo on , do you have a link? Many thanks, Gerry.
Thanks for the update Gerry – sounds like you have had a very successful little project with the movement transplant 🙂 The image is from a Yahoo Japan auction; here’s a link: http://auction.rakuten.co.jp/item/11842401/a/10001728/
Stephen
Brilliant Stephen, I’ll have a look, maybe a trip to babelfish is in order! Many thanks for your help. Kind regards, Gerry.
You’re welcome Gerry, right clicking on the page should give the Google translate option.
Stephen
Cool! didn’t know you could do that. Something else I’ve learned. Thanks v.much Stephen. Reckon someone got a real bargain there,especially if it’s in working order,wonder if he’s discovered what it is yet ? It’s got a different dial to my example which seems not uncommon with limited run/market test watches. I’ve got a Tudor 7923, only a few are known to exist and every one I’ve seen has a slightly different dial, some say submariner,some say auto-rotor,some have the depth rating in metres,others in feet,some don’t have it at all! I’ve even seen a ‘red writing’ example like on the Rolex sub. Interesting stuff 🙂 Cheers, Gerry.
Hi Stephen,
I´ve inherited a beautiful ladies watch from my grandmother and I would like to know more about it.
The dial shape is oval. It says Citizen Quartz on the front with JAPAN 3220-306543-ES in tiny letters.
On the backcase it says:
CITIZEN WATCH CO.
BASE METAL YP
3220-325664 YO
3010495
JAPAN -> 6
I would really appreciate your help :).
Hi Delphine, thanks for visiting my blog. I was away from home for a few days so couldn’t reply sooner. I’m not so familiar with quartz watches, but from the information you’ve given your watch uses a 3220 quartz movement. The model number is 3220-325664, and the back tells us that it is a gold tone model. As far as I know these were probably made in the 1990s, and the serial number on yours indicates production in January 1993 (from the first three numbers in the serial number – 3010495). Does that fit with when your grandmother may have acquired it? The ‘->6’ mark indicates where the back can be levered off (i.e. at the 6 o’clock position). Finally, here’s a link to the relevant instruction manual: http://www.thewatchsite.com/files/Citizen%20Technical%20Manuals/3220.pdf
Stephen
i have come across few old citizen watch and kindly need your help on the dating…
back case:
GN-3-S
PARAWATER
STAR
S.S
DTRS-51804-Y
8094364
(C)
&
backcase:
CITIZEN
WATCH CO.
53-8051
0951
JAPAN
&
backcase:
CITIZEN
HAND
WATER RESISTANT
STAINLESS STEEL
HMC
front below 6o’clock marker:
JAPAN-M 7854-8250
Thanks for your help
Hi Chew, thanks for visiting my blog. The first of your three watches (model number DTRS-51804) is a ladies ‘Date Star’ model, and is the easiest to date since it has a serial number. This gives a production date of September 1968.
The 53-8051 model is a hand winder, using the ’02’ Homer movement. Although this movement was first made in 1960, yours is most likely from the mid to late 1970s. Is it marked ‘water resistant’? This indicates production later than the early 1970s, and the examples I’ve seen have been marked ‘resistant’.
The third one is tougher to date – I’d be interested to see a pic if you have posted one anywhere (you can’t post images directly here). The dial code suggest that there’s an 8200 movement inside. Is it an automatic or a hand winder? The 8200 movements have been used for a long time, so it could be from the late 1970s or 1980s.
Stephen
thanks for your reply… yup the first one is lady watch and second has “water resistant| anti magnetic| all stainless steel written,
the third one has date and kanji day, 17 jewels, it is a hand winder and on the movement it is printed:
CITIZEN
JAPAN
17J.
8250B
thanks…
You’re welcome 🙂
Forgot to say in my reply that the movement number (8250) confirms that your watch is a hand winding version of the 8200 automatic. Possibly;y made at Citizen’s South Korean factory (since it’s marked ‘HMC’) in the mid-1970s.
Stephen
Hi Stephen,
I was wondering if you could help me with a vintage ladies’ Citizen watch that I inherited from my Grandmother’s estate.
The back of the watch has the following information:
Citizen
Watch Co.
4520-E50 145 TA
7 Y 1 1 1 7
Japan
YP
The face of the watch has the following has the following printed on the bottom:
Japan 4520-E50096-Y
Any information you could provide would be much appreciated.
Best regards,
Robert
Hi Robert, thanks for visiting my blog. Apologies for a slow reply, been very busy here with grandchildren over the last few days! Your Grandmother’s watch is an analogue quartz model with a 4520 movement, in a gold tone (‘YP’ = yellow plate) case. The case number and dial code both start with the movement number so all is consistent with the piece. The watch was made in December 1987 – the serial number (7Y1117) uses ‘Y’ for the month since the case back is too small to accommodate ’12’.
Here is a link to a technical manual, which also refers to the serial number and how to interpret the letter within it: http://www.thewatchsite.com/files/Citizen%20Technical%20Manuals/4520.pdf
Hopes this of use to you,
Stephen
Hi Stephen,
Nice blog. I was wondering if you could help me about the following watch because i have no idea about it. How old is it, etc. Any info that you could provide is appreciated
The back of the watch has the following information:
CITIZEN
WATCH CO.
4-281250 KT
10600162
GN-4-S
71-2574
And inside, it says 21 Jewels & 8200A
Thank you for your help,
suat
Hi Suat, thanks for visiting my blog, and thanks for your kind comment. As you know your watch has the automatic 8200 movement, which was first produced around 1975. This movement has been used and developed ever since, so it can be difficult to date these models. The model number (71-2574) and the case number (4-281250) suggest that it isn’t one of the later models, so I would think it is from June 1981. In the 1980s Citizen introduced the ‘Eagle 7’ range, so if yours has an Eagle 7 logo on the dial it could be from 1991. The first three digits in the serial number (10600162) give us the year and month of production, but we need to know the decade it was made in to determine the year. This post on my blog gives a bit more info on the 8200 movement: https://sweep-hand.org/2013/01/27/the-8200-movement-citizens-standard-auto/
Stephen
Stephen ~
No apologies needed! I greatly appreciate the information and thank you for providing me with the link to the technical manual.
You have been a tremendous help! Thank you.
Cheers,
You’re welcome Robert 🙂
Stephen
i have an old citizen watch and kindly need your help on the dating…
The back of the watch has the following information:
CITIZEN watch Co.
W. R. 10 bar
ST. Steel
F500-S055041 HSB
870255
GN- 4W -S
JAPAN MOV’T
Regards,
Micheal
Hi Michael, thanks for visiting my blog. As far as I know the F500 quartz (not eco-drive) movement is a fairly modern chronograph, so it’s not one I’ve looked at as part of my research into older Citizen watches. I would think yours is from July 2008 (from first two digits of the serial number – 87). Here’s a technical manual for the F500/510:
Click to access F500.pdf
Stephen
Hi Stephen,
Nice blog.
I have 300+ HMT Mechanical Watches which has engine 0230 or 0231
The above two engines where made in India by HMT but originally were from Citizen movement number 020 or 0201
I was wondering if you have Technical specification guide or servicing guide of 020 or 0201
Any info that you could provide is appreciated
Thank you for your help,
Hi Piyush, thanks for visiting my blog and for your kind comment. I don’t have a servicing guide I’m afraid. I do have some ‘exploded’ diagrams of the movement, i.e. similar to this:
– would scans of the diagrams help? Let me know if you would like them and I’ll get them done and email them to you (I have your email address)
Stephen
Hi Stephen,
Diagram will be good enough for me to understand the engines….Plz do mail me what you have.
Thanx a lot for your help.
Piyush
Email with scans just sent 🙂
Stephen
thank you so very much stephen
You’e welcome piyush 🙂
Stephen
Hi Stephen, Good Morning !!! I found another Technical Guide for Citizen 0200, 0201, 0271, 0272 movements, you can save it in your huge data bank it might help someone in time 🙂 :)Â Â Warm Regards,Piyush
Hi Piyush, I’m always interested in building the database 🙂 You never know when someone might need a guide for this group of movements,
Stephen
Hi, I need help identifying my watch. I looked on your table but I don’t see a solid match. The face says Citizen 7 star V2 22 jewels. Face is blue and the time set knob (not sure what it’s called) is inset and on the lower right, not middle right. When you pull out the time set knob it only adjusts the time. to change the date, you push it in.The date is in both English and Japanese (either or, not at the same time). the back is a twist opening. It reads Citizen/STAINLESS STEEL/GN-4w-S/PARAWATER (in a circle around that edge. Then 7700, 4-770781TA, AUTOMATIC, 11000061.
So, what exactly do I have? Also, the face crystal is a little scratched. Can this be replaced by a local watch repair or should I send it in to Citizen?
Hi Victor, thanks for visiting my blog 🙂 The movement in your watch is the 7790 – it is listed in the movement table, towards the bottom of page 9, and it was made with 22, 24 or 26 jewels. It was part of the 77 ‘family’ of movements most of which were high-beat (28,800 or 36,000 beats per hour) featured in the Leopard models. The Seven Star V2’s with this movement were the only 77 models not to have high-beat, it runs at 21,600 beats per hour. This movement has an usual (and unique to Citizen as far as I know) quick-set mechanism for both day and date. I don’t know whether you have discovered this yet, but if so you’ll know already that when the watch is held in the 12 o’clock high position the date is changed by pressing the crown. If the watch is then inverted to the 6 o’clock position the day can be changed (always change day and date when the watch is not going through the date change period, i.e. between 10.30pm to 3am). I’ve noticed that sometimes the day change doesn’t always not work too well with this mechanism, and if a gentle tap doesn’t correct that, a conventional day set can be done (moving back and forth between 8 and 12). The 78 Cosmotrons also use this mechanism, so for more info please look at the X8 Cosmotron page and scroll down to the ’78XX’ section where you can see the lever that moves when the watch is inverted to switch between date and day setting: https://sweep-hand.org/the-x8-cosmotron/
As to the crystal, there is a replacement available for this model, made by Sternkreuz (a good quality manufacturer). The original Citizen part number is 54-50520, and Sternkreuz’s product number for it is XMF 307879. Your local watch maker might be able to get it and fit it for you. If not please get back to me since I could get one for you if you wish (it has to be specially ordered but is not expensive).
Stephen
Your blog has the best info so far. Thanks for responding.
You’re welcome Victor 🙂
Hi good day. I’m jennel frm philipines
I’m just curious about my watch
The front mark:
Citizen
Quartz
Water resistant
Back:
Citizen watch co.
Water resist
Base metal
1032-R31777 rc
0N1097
GN-O-S => 6
Hope you can answer me.
Thnks a lot.
Hi Jennel, thank you for visiting my blog. Unfortunately I can’t help very much since my area is the older mechanical watches and yours is a fairly modern quartz model. The quartz module in yours is the 1032, which is indicated by the model number. The serial number – 0N1097 – suggests to me a production date of November 2000. ‘GN-O-S’ is the case type, and ‘->6’ shows where the case back can be prised off (i.e. the 6 o’clock position).
Sorry I can’t tell you any more about it,
Stephen
Hi Steve,
I just inherited a vintage ladies Citizen from my aunt tonight, and was hoping to get more identifying information about it. Anything you can tell me about this watch would be super helpful, thanks!
Front:
Citizen
Back:
CITIZEN
Watch Co.
Base Metal Top
St. Steel Back
4-167449 SMW
75-0069
GP
Hi Jessie, thanks for visiting my blog, and thank you for the information from the back of your watch. The case number – 4-167449 – and the model number – 75-0069 – tell us that it has a hand winding movement with either two hands (hour and minute) or three hands (i.e. with second hand) belonging to the 0110 family of movements. There were a number of different versions of this movement – if it has no second hand then it will be designated 0110 – 0170. If it has a second hand then it will have a movement designated 23xx or 53xx. The other marks on the case back show it is gold plated (GP) over a base metal (alloy) case with a stainless steel back. Is there another number on there? If so it will be the serial number, from which we could accurately date the watch.
This family of movements was made in the mid-1970s, so yours was produced around that time. This link shows an image of the movement and lists the different versions: http://www.ranfft.de/cgi-bin/bidfun-db.cgi?10&ranfft&0&2uswk&Citizen_0110
Hope this helps,
Stephen
Hi..sir i found a two citizen automatic watch about..2hrs ago
while i,m cleaning the cabinet,. of my lola ,. i think this are the
“eagle 7 GN-4W-S CITIZEN AUTOMATIC” maybe this is a couple. becuase both watch had a case number GN-4W-S.,and also had an emblim at the top of number 7. .
i mean maybe its a couple watch, and the golden eagle emblim is at the top of number 6..
Hi, and thank for visiting my blog – nice to find a couple of watches like that 🙂 Are they both working ok? ‘GN-4W-S’ is the code for the case type (water resistant with screw on back) – if you can tell me what other numbers are stamped on the case backs it should be possible to say when they were made,
Stephen
Citizen watch co.
water resist
base metal
4-R17235 RW
479351
GN-4W-S
Japan
and the other one
Citizen watch co.
water resist
base metal
4-S81284 HSB
226019
GN-4W-S
both are working.
Thanks for the info, and good to hear that both watches are running 🙂 Given the style of the case numbers (4-R17235 & 4-S81284) I would think both of these are from the 1990s. If I’m right, the first two digits in the serial numbers (479351 and 226019) give production dates of July 1974 and February 1992.
Stephen
Hi,
I could really use a hand with this
Citizen
Water resistant
Stainless
4-946000SMK
4040001
74-9095
GM-4W-S
The Dial is two tone, the indexes are gold with 2 bars at 12. Day and date one long window with a different language in the day rotation. The dial under 12 just says citizen and above the 6 is the gold outlined, red, Eagle7 logo. Just under that witten in gold it says 17 jewels crystal. This is clearly an Eagle7 automatic diver. I though with all that info Id be able to find it but no such luck. The watch has been unworn, locked away and undisturbed for more then 30 years . When I picked it up and turned the crown a few times, it engadged…shocked, I set the time and monitored agaist my atomic clock for 24 hours. Its DEAD ON to the second. Still shocked, please help.
Hi Raymond, thanks for visiting my blog. You’re watch is intriguing – so far I haven’t been able to find anything on the internet using the case and model numbers. Usually the Eagle 7 models use the 8200 automatic, occasionally the 6501, but both of them have 21 jewels. I don’t think I’ve ever seen an Eagle 7 with anything but 21 jewels. Have you any photos? If so I can email you so you can send them – visitors can’t upload them directly to the blog I’m afraid.
Stephen
Hello,
I was wondering if you could help me out, I just received an inherited citizen watch and can’t seem to find it online anywhere!
It is a very small, skinny, ladies watch with a black leather band and a rectangle face that is gold with a white background and ‘ticks’ for major numbers, with the 12 having 2 ticks. There is some writing on the back of the watch but I can’t see it fully because there is a citizen hologram sticker on the back that I didn’t want to remove… I can send you pictures if you want.
on the front it says ‘Citizen quartz’ just under the 12 mark and above the 6 it has a CQ symbol
then in small writing at the very bottom:
mov’t Japan Dial Korea 2250-T52545-KY
Thanks!
Hi Lauren, thanks for visiting my blog – I’m afraid I am not so familiar with Citizen’s quartz models since my main area is mainly the older mechanical watches. The dial code on yours gives the movement – 2250 – which I think was made in the 1990s. There should be a serial number on the back, which you may not be able to see of course since the sticker is still on. If you can see them, the first three digits will give the production year.
Stephen
Thank you for the reply sir. If I want to sell these watches how much would each cost?
You’re welcome 🙂 I’m afraid the Eagle 7’s are not very valuable, although they are reliable and accurate if in good condition. If you search eBay for them you should find examples similar to yours and get an idea of the prices they fetch.
Stephen
Hey,
Could you tell me something about Citizen 19 Jewels watch.
G.P
CITIZEN
4-680685 YO
1085667
65-4485
Hi Tony, thanks for visiting my blog. Could you describe what is on the dial please, and is it a smaller, women’s watch? – the model number (65-4485) suggests it has the hand winding 2300 movement since other models with the ’65’ prefix have that inside. It was made with 19 jewels, first produced around 1975. If this is correct, then the serial number of yours – 1085667 – tells us that it was made in August 1981. Do you think that ‘YO’ is actually ‘YP’? That would indicate a yellow plate, i.e. gold tone, watch.
Stephen
Hei, and thanks fos answer. I´m not good whit computers so I don´t know how I can get pictures of watch to you. Have you some email adress where I could sent a pictures. My englis is not so good that I can detail to you what kind of dial is. And It´s very small women´s watch. And in my opinion that YO is YO not YP.
Hi Tony – visitors can’t post pics directly, so I will email you 🙂
Stephen
Hello,
can you tell me about things like how much is it and which year it had been made ?
citizen (jewel)
4-824091 k
00801145
gn-4w-s
japan
Thank you!!
Hi, thanks for visiting my blog. You have an automatic watch with the 8200 movement. This was Citizen’s workhorse movement for many years from its introduction in 1976. Because they were produced for over 30 years it is difficult to be sure exactly when they were made. From the style of the numbers on your case back, it could well be from August 1980 (from first three numbers in the serial number 00801145). It could possible be later, i.e. 1990. I’m afraid these 8200 models have not got any great value, although in good condition the 8200 is a good movement.
Stephen
Thank you stephen!!!!
You’re welcome 🙂
Hello, I have this Citizen 21 Jewel watch which is not working. I am trying to find out whether it can be repaired. On the case back, I can see this reading:
Citizen Watch Co.
4-062701SMK
91200782 (not clear in some number)
51-8115
Need your advise to tell me more on this watch, so that I can ;look for spare part to get the watch moving.
Hi Kohvic, thanks for visiting my blog. Your watch uses the 8200 automatic movement, which was produced by Citizen from around 1976 for more than 30 years. This means that there are always some available on eBay, usually at a reasonable price, so it is probably best to look for a ‘donor’ watch and transplant the movement from that. If you search eBay with ‘vintage Citizen 21 jewels’ you should find a number of examples.
Hope this helps and you are able to get your watch back up and running,
Stephen
Hey mate, great site.
I have a gold-plated Citizen watch, the markings on the back are as follows:
Citizen
4-730925 Y
91200144
44-2283
GN-4W-S
japan
GP
Can you please tell me ANYTHING about it? 🙂
Thanks,
Syed Jawad.
Reply
Hi Syed, thanks for visiting my blog, and for providing all the information from the back of your watch. You have an early quartz model, using the 7100 movement, made in the late 1970s when quartz technology really began to take off in a big way. 4-730925 is the case number, and 44-2283 is the model number. GN-4W-S is the case type – a water resistant one with screw on case back I think. ‘GP’ describes the gold plated case of course. Is the dial marked ‘CQ’ and does it have a number (at the 6 o’clock position) starting with ‘7100’?
91200144 is the serial number, and the first three digits give a production date of December 1979.
Stephen
Stephen
at the 6 o’ clock position ) starting with 7100-714331-Y please tell me this citizen watch price sweephand
Hi Syed – looks like you have a Crystron from around 1980. I can’t advise on the value / price I’m afraid. Try searching eBay, including completed listings, for Citizen Crystron and see if you can find a similar watch in similar condition. Values are generally not very high for quartz models.
Stephen
Greetings Stephen-I just picked up a ladies Caravelle Divers watch for my wife. It has an unbranded Citizen 2312 movement. 2312 is stamped under the balance and RK is on a bridge. It also has a logo with A T and P overstruck (overstricken?) as well. I need a balance jewel and Parashock spring. I’m not having much luck finding info on this movement and the availability of spare parts. I would appreciate any light you can shed for me. Regards, Dave
Hi Dave, thanks for visiting my blog. The 23xx movements are small hexagonal shaped calibres, like this: http://www.ranfft.de/cgi-bin/bidfun-db.cgi?10&ranfft&0&2uswk&Citizen_2300 – is yours like that? If yours is one of those, I haven’t got a parts list for it I’m afraid. Have you got a pic of the movement, preferably a close-up shot? You can’t post pics directly here but you can link to somewhere like PhotoBucket, or I can email you and you can send them to me.
Stephen
I have come in possession of my Uncle’s watch, it is a Hamilton, the book that is still in the box has “individual passport to accurate timekeeping” on it and states October 1968 with a reference 715-9, the box is red with the hamilton insignia all around it, it is still working but not a name I have come accross before.
Thanks for visiting my blog. I can’t help with your question since I am a Citizen collector 🙂 You could try joining Watchuseek (WUS) and asking about your watch on the Hamilton forum: http://forums.watchuseek.com/f357/
Stephen
Hi…my father just found a citizen watch in the seat of his mini….the back has
65-2440
citizen
Gp
4-230051 S
0011039
Hi Danica – what a great story! How long do you think the watch had been in the mini? 🙂
The watch your father has found is a woman’s watch, with Citizens’s 2300 movement inside. This is a hand winding movement, first produced around 1966. 65-2440 is the model number and is not of much help in identifying the watch these days, but the case number – 4-230051 – is much more useful since it helps identify the movement. ‘GP’ refers to it being gold plated of course, whilst the serial number – 0011039 – helps date it – the first three digits are the important ones, and they tell us it was made in January 1970.
Stephen
Hi!
I tryed to find Danicas model, but failed… Quick check from Google and nothing from there.
I´m not a collector of ladies watches in particular, but a few have drifted here.
I guess, that the models with first two digits 65- ,means that they are handwinders and models with 64- are automatics. Just guessing :D.
I also noticed this: i have models 65-2512, with steel case and 65-2521, it´s with gold plated case. They both have the same movement, cal.2302 and they are visually the same, only the material of the cases distinguishing them from each other.
So, could this be a method of Citizen to separate their models; change of the position of the modelnumbers two last digits tells either it´s with a steel or a gold plated case…?
Marko
Hi Marko – interesting observations about the model numbers. I shall have to check the theory out 🙂
Stephen
Hi Stephen!
You have wrote this for Tony: “the model number (65-4485) suggests it has the hand winding 2300 movement since other models with the ’65’ prefix have that inside.”
I disagree, because i have a watch with 65- prefix and there is cal.6200 inside it! 😀
Marko
Hi Marko – good job I said ‘suggests, then 🙂 Don’t think I’ll ever figure out the logic of Citizen’s mod numbers – if there is any at all!……
Stephen
Stephen and Marko. This is interesting topic. I collected two first model numbers and movement number of men watches from one of my catalogs. Can you see any pattern? I can’t, except most (not 0150) hand winds are 63 and Cosmo’s are 60:
Cosmotron’s=60; 6500=61; 6000=62; Hand winds 1800, 0200, 5700 (chrono’s) and 3100 (alarm’s) =63; hand wind 0150=66; 7200 and auto chrono’s (8110, 8100)= 67; 7400=68; 6080=69.
Interestingly, lady Cosmo’s are also 60 and lady 0150=66, so the first two numbers must have some kind of relation to movement and not e.g. to case material. Just don’t understand e.g. how movements 8100/8110 and 7200 are related?! Maybe they are? I’m pretty sure however, that e.g. 5700 and 3100 are not related. My understanding is that 3100 is Swiss design.
Hi Mikko – it is an interesting subject, and a puzzle I’d like to solve. Away for a few days at the moment so will follow up when I’m back
Hi Mikko and Stephen !
Thank you very much for that, Mikko !!! Now it´s clear, that there´s nothing clear with this issue :D.
I just checked my ladies watches casually and as i have those something like 5-10, there is not much material… Almost same situation with mens watches, i have some 10 or so and i do not have anykind of katalogs or any other reference material…
But i´m sure, that there is somekind of system! As Mikko said, it might be right observation, that the two first digits are related with the movement issue. And as i told previously, ” i have models 65-2512, with steel case and 65-2521, it´s with gold plated case.”, look at those numbers! Only difference is case material…
It might be possible, that there have been different systems from one period to another, we just don´t know, when their have changed those! :D.
This is very cryptic, but intereting issue, let´s keep the searching on !!!
ps. Mikko, you said: “how movements 8100/8110 and 7200 are related?”. Brian aka 31 jewels has told us, that specifically those two have been the most impressive movements, which he have seen… Could this be a relation…?
Marko
Stephen and Marco, I have sales man catalog which includes 140 models from early 70s and roughly 40 of them have SS and GP option. Only two of the watches have this number pattern Marco suggested. Unfortunatelly, I don’t think we had luck there. It would also seem strange that Citizen would have used two markings for the case surface material as it is usually marked to the case back with letter codes. I will start collecting all the codes in a spreadsheet, maybe that would help to crack the buzzle. What do you think?
Sounds good Mikko. When I get back I’ll have another look at my reference material and see if anything logical emerges!
Mikko, Stephen,
Mikko, sounds good! Let me know, if i could help in any way!
Stephen, could you, please, send my e-mail address to Mikko? Thank you! Then when you come back… 😀
I could then supply information from all of my watches.
Will do 🙂
Heh, i forgot to comment that information, what Mikko told about those numbers, SS/gold plated-issue :D.
Ok, no luck with that… Well, we will figure this out!
Hi stephen, i found another citizen watch, this time it is an automatic. This is on the back: citizen watch co , water resistant, all stainless steel, 4-662024 TA, 80109706, 54-0676, JAPAN. On the front it says : citizen, automatic, 21 jewels. And it has a date and day at 3 o’clock. The problem is also that i know how to change the date, but dont know how to chane the day. I hope you can help me again. I realy love this watch. Ciao eveline
Hi Eveline – looks like you have ‘Cosmostar’, a very nice woman’s watch from 1978. These have a high-beat (28,800 beats per hour) movement. They have a ‘quick set’ date as you have discovered. To set the day (do this first, then set the date) you need to pull the crown out fully and move the hands past 12 o’clock to move the day on, then move the hands back to about the 8 o’clock position and then move them forward again past 12 o’clock to progress the days. You can repeat this to get to the correct day. 12 o’clock is midnight of course when you do this, so when you have the correct day move the hands to, say 7am (and definitely well before 12 o’clock – midday), and then adjust the date. Then set the correct time – this way you won’t accidentally set the day to change in the middle of the day 🙂
Hope this is clear,
Stephen
hello, buy a watch ( citizen whatch co , base metal yp , 4 -R00588 RW , 01201024, GN-4 W ) could give me information about it , I THANK YOU IN ADVANCE
Hi William, thanks for visiting my blog. Can you please tell me what is on the dial, since that will help identify the watch. Thanks,
Stephen
Can you please tell me about it?
Citizen
6950-s 019451 hsb
japan movt-6950-s033883-ka
GN-0-S
480781
[IMG]http://i59.tinypic.com/ina7uo.jpg[/IMG]
Thank you!
Hi Mili – thanks for visiting my blog, and apologies for my late reply. Your watch is a 21 jewel automatic with a 6950 movement. As far as I know these were made in the 1980s, and it was the date only version of the 6600 movement. 6950-s019451 is the case number which helpfully identifies the movement, as does the dial code. GN-0-S is the case type, and this on means it is a water resistant design. 480781 is the serial number and the first two numbers give us a production date of August 1984.
Stephen
Thanks for responding!
Hello,
I have an Eagles 7 21 jewels watch that i’d like to learn more about. Can you help, please?!
Case# – 4-R17987
Serial# – 681072
Model # – GN-4W-S
I have not been able to find a photo that matches the watch. It has the day/date window on hour 4 at a slant when compared to other Eagle 7 watches.
Thank you
Hi Larry, thanks for visiting my blog. I am not so familiar with the Eagle 7 models since they were first made in the 1980s which is later than my collection period. The only example of this model I can find is the one I guess you are asking about, since it has the same serial number. The day/date at 4 o’clock is unusual, I don’t remember seeing that before. When that position is used it’s generally for date only. I guess it has been used on this model because of the 25 second scale on the dial running round the dial from 55 seconds. That is also unusual – I’m not sure what that would be used for, unless it’s just a design thing. Although the applied ‘citizen’ logo and eagle motif look a bit thicker than I would expect, the dial otherwise looks ok and has an appropriate dial code under the 6 o’clock marker. The case number is a correct one. More info can be found on the 8200 movement here: https://sweep-hand.org/2013/01/27/the-8200-movement-citizens-standard-auto/
The 8200 automatic was first produced in 1976 and the Eagle 7’s were made from the 1980s and on through the 1990s, so pinning down the production date can be difficult. The type of case number, i.e. including the letter R, is of a later type, and the serial number is 6 figures rather than 7 or 8, again indicating later production, so I think this was made in 1996.
Stephen
Hi I’ve just bought a citezen watch from e bay. It has a blue face and a date window. It’s gold plated and a stainless steel back. Could you please help me with the numbers on the back of the watch? The numbers are 4-281080 KT. 011012 70. GN-4W-S. 71-2591. Any help that you could give me would be great.
Hi Kristian, thanks for visiting my blog, and apologies for my late reply. I believe you have an 8200 automatic from November 1980. 4-281080 is the case number, but that doesn’t help much (although it confirms that it is an authentic Citizen case). 71-2591 is the model number, and I know other 8200 models use the ’71’ prefix. 01101270 is the serial number and the first three digits give the production date, although we need to know the decade it was likely to have been made in, and that can be tricky with 8200 models since they were produced for over 30 years. Other ’71’ models are from the late 1970s/early 80s so I would think 1980 is correct. More info on the 8200 here: https://sweep-hand.org/2013/01/27/the-8200-movement-citizens-standard-auto/
Finally ‘GN-4W-S’ is the case type, indicating a water resistant type with screw down back.
Stephen
Hi thank you so much for your reply. So nice to know what year it’s from. I has the watch from eBay and have ordered another citizen watch from there, same bezel but it has a day and date and the numbers on the face is different. What worries me is the numbers on the back plate are an exact match as the one I already have. Should I be worried?
You’re welcome Kristian – are you buying these from sellers in India by any chance? They do a lot of refurbished and sometimes cobbled together watches, so it may be that a seller has a batch of cases and is putting re-finished dials in them. Could you post the eBay items numbers or links here and I can take a look.
Stephen
Yes they were from India as I understand. The number for the One I’m wearing is 181961536323 and the one on the way is 181956898893
Hi Kristian, thanks for the info. These are re-dials – the printing is not to Citizen’s standards and the dials should have a code printed on them (usually under the 6 o’clock marker). On the positive side, these are cheap to buy, and if the movements are in decent condition they should run pretty well.
Stephen
Thank you Stephen for all your effort. Nice to know so much more about these watches. My big question is are they real citizen watches? Got to say the one I’m wearing keeps time very well. Just ordered a camy watch from e bay. Got to say I’m a little nervous now about shopping on there
You’re welcome Kristian – other than the dials the two you’ve bought look to have genuine cases and movements. The replacement dials make them ‘incorrect’ so they are not collectable but they work as a basic and cheap timepiece. As long as you do your research and ask about them (before bidding preferably 😉 ) you should be able to find something that is all original if that is what you are after.
Stephen
Hi Stephen, I am so glad to see your blog and hope you can help me identify this watch as I have no clues about Citizen watches. My father in law found it somewhere. The front says Citizen Automatic, 21 Jewels. At the back; Citizen Watch Co. Water Resist, Stainless, 4-R13787 RW, 210315, GN-4W-S. It works on and off if I turn the dial. I am not sure if it is a genuine Citizen watch and if I should keep it. Time to spring clean the house and clear space. Thank you in advance for your help.
Hi Hazel, thanks for visiting my blog. From the information you’ve provided I think your watch is one of Citizen’s ‘Eagle 7’ range – does it have an eagle motif on the dial? This uses the 8200 automatic movement which was first produced in 1976, but was used for over 30 years so they can be difficult to date. From the style of the markings I think yours may be from 1992. I can’t find a reference to the model number (4R13787) but that doesn’t mean it isn’t genuine. However, the Eagle 7 models are commonly sold on eBay and although in good condition they are sound an reliable watches, they are of no great value even in full working order I’m afraid.
Stephen
Thank you for your reply, Stephen! Really appreciate your effort in answering my question in detail. Have a great year ahead!
You’re welcome Hazel, and thank you
Hi Stephen, I am so glad to see your blog and hope you can help me identify this watch that my dad use to wear and it was his favorite and it says in front is citizen automatic then 21 jewels then at the back it says citizen watch co.then 4-280318 kt
Then 10207276 then GN-4W-S then 71-1934 and it says stainless steel water resistant. This watch was kept inside the locker for many years..now I have taken it out to wear so now I wana know is it worth or not.
Thanks regards
Suneil
Hi Suneil – I’m glad you found my blog too 🙂 Thanks for visiting. Your father’s watch uses Citizen’s 8200 automatic movement, with date and day I believe. This movement was first produced in 1976 and became Citizen’s workhorse mechanical automatic watch for for over 30 years. The length of the production run indicates that this is a well designed and reliable movement, capable of accurate timekeeping. ‘4-280318′ is the case number, and ’71-1934’ is the model number and both of these are consistent with the 8200 range. The movement, as you know, has 21 jewels and runs at 21,600 beats per hour, i.e. 6 ticks per second. ‘GN-4W-S’ is the case type, indicating it is water resistant with a screw down back.
The first three figures in the serial number (102) give a production date of February 1981.
I would recommend getting it serviced if you are going to wear it regularly, since the oils are likely to have dried up – this will ensure it will run at its best and minimise wear.
The bad news is that, other than a 150m diver from the late 1970s, 8200 models are generally of little value, since so many were made over the years.
Stephen
Hi Stephen, I am really glad to find your blog. I have come across a Citizen watch in a box of treasures and wonder if you can help me to identify it.
It’s a ladies watch, on a steel strap with some gold colour detail on the strap and the watch itself. There is some tiny writing on the bottom of the dial which I think reads:
3220-S21319-SM
The info on the back reads:
Citizen Watch Co
Base Metal POPG
3220-505570 SMW
8064275
-> 5
Thank you very much for your help with this.
All the best to you
Sarah
Hi Sarah – sorry for slow reply. Thanks for visiting my blog. I’m afraid I don’t know too much about the quartz models, so I can only give you limited info. The details you have given tell us that it has a 3220 quartz model inside, which is shown in the dial code (well done for reading that!) and the case / model number on the back. The ‘base metal’ case is plated, although ‘POPG’ is a new code to me – do you think it could be PDP? The’G’ will refer to the gold plating used on the bezel, and if it’s PDP then it is palladium plated case. The arrow mark (->) pointing at 5 indicates that there is an indent in the back at the 5 o’clock position to help prise the back off.
I’m not sure when the 3220 movement was made, my best guess, based on the first figure in the serial number (8064275) is 1988. For your information here’s a link to the relevant technical manual: http://www.thewatchsite.com/files/Citizen%20Technical%20Manuals/3220.pdf
Stephen
HI Stephen
Thank you so much for your reply, that’s very helpful for me. All the best
Sarah
You’re welcome 🙂
My mother have a citizen automatic 21 jewels eagle7 .. The back case of it is crystal.. There isa number on it..
6651-S956 22KA
Can you tell me what is the model of it or what year?
Hi Shawie, thanks for visiting my blog. I would think the watch is from the 1980s – is there another (serial) number on the back? If so then we should be able to date itmore precisely.
Stephen
4-S82001 HST BASE METAL WATER RESIST CITIZEN WATCH CO. in the bracelet there is a number 78453 inside it is very small number
i think 6651 or 6851
i think 5851 i am not sure the number is very little
i hope you can help me..thank you
THE NUMBER ON THE DIAL IS 6651-s 95622 KA,..AT THE BACK CASE THE NUMBER IS 4-S82001 HST BASE METAL WATER RESIST CITIZEN WATCH CO..THE NUMBER ON THE BRACELET IS 78453..IN THE INSIDE I AM NOT SURE IF 6851 OR 6651..IT WOULD BE GREAT HELP FOR ME IF IT IS REAL..THANK YOU SO MUCH
IT IS AUTOMATIC DAY AND DATE
Hi ‘shawie’, thanks for visiting my blog. Your watch seems genuine to me. The case number – 4-S82001 – is an authentic one, and the dial code and model number ( 6651-s95622) indicate that it has the 6651 movement inside. This is a small high beat movement from the 1990s I believe, or maybe the late 1980s. Here’s some more information about the movement://www.ranfft.de/cgi-bin/bidfun-db.cgi?10&ranfft&0&2uswk&Citizen_6651A .
Does your watch have a serial number on the case back?
Stephen
the only number i saw in the case is 4-S82001 HST…i can not see clearly the number on the inside of the watch because the number is very tiny..
the only number i saw in the case is 4-S82001 HST…i can not see clearly the number on the inside of the watch because the number is very tiny..do u think it is authentic..on the inside of the watch there is a number but can not see it clearly because it is very tiny,the words is citizen automatic 21 jewels and the number..there is also citizen watch japan. co. hst
Ok looks like it doesn’t have a serial number. It seems authentic to me, I don’t think you need to worry about that.
Stephen
Hi! Awesome blog! It’s amazing how much effort you put into helping out everyone who has inquiries about watches.
I came across your blog hoping to find some information about a watch I found today, it’s an old Citizen watch that was owned by my grandfather. I’m hoping you can help me out regarding more information on the watch. It’s a quartz watch so I know it’s hard to determine the date but if you could help me out.
Here are the details at the back of the watch:
CITIZEN
WATCH CO.
BASE METAL TOP
STAINLESS STEEL BACK
4-795822 YO
9076215
46-3124
JAPAN
SP
Thank you so much!
Regards,
Martha
Hi Martha, thanks for visiting my blog and for your kind comments. Although I am not so familiar with quartz models, I can tell you a bit about your grandfather’s watch since it is a relatively early model. In the mid-1970s Citizen first started to sell quartz models, and they quickly developed the technology which soon revolutionised the watch market. Because it was new technology in the 1970s quartz watches were expensive.
Your grandfather’s watch was a high end model in its day – it uses the 7900 quartz movement (indicated by the case number 4-795822) which had an accuracy of +/- 5 seconds per month so it was an expensive watch. Only a few movements were capable of that at the time, typically they were +/- 10 or 15 seconds per month. Citizen described the 7900 models as ultra slim, high grade dress watches. They were used in the first ‘Exceed’ line, a logo which replaced ‘Citizen’ on the dial and is still used today, although if yours has Citizen on the dial it’s fine.
Before coming to the production date, the other markings on the back other than the obvious ones, indicate that is silver plated (SP) and the model number is 46-3124 – this is not a very useful number these days since Citizen mainly used case numbers as the model id for parts etc.
The first three figures in the serial number – 9076215 – give the production date. The first is the year, so we have to know the decade it was made in. I know 7900 models are listed in a 1979 catalogue, and since quartz wasn’t in production in 1969 and given technology developed quickly 1989 would be too late for this movement. So I believe your grandfather’s watch is from July 1979.
Finally, for information here’s a link to the relevant technical manual: http://www.thewatchsite.com/files/Citizen%20Technical%20Manuals/7900.pdf
Stephen
Thank you so much! The information you provided helped me out a lot! I’m going to have it repaired soon and I would love to send over pictures of it once it’s fully restored. Again, thank you so much and have a great day!
Regards,
Martha
You’re welcome Martha – since visitors can’t post images here directly, let me know when you have photos, or you can post a link here if you upload them to somewhere like Photobucket.
Stephen
My citizen 28800 has stamped on the back -8200-R48634y also below it has gn or sn -4w-s 60 31189 it has writing on crown.
Hope you are able to give me some idea of age its an automatic and date
Many thanks for any info …cheers
Hi there
I have a Citizen watch with this details
4-730127k
90200188
gn-4w-s
44-1015
Can you tell me about this watch??
whats the year of product?
and price also??
Hi Malek, thanks for visiting my blog. Your watch is a Crystron quartz model, with the 7300 movement. This was one of the fairly early quartz movements made by Citizen, which were first made in the mid-1970s. Yours is from February 1979 (see ‘902’ at the start of the serial number). ‘4-730127′ is the case number, which also indicates the 73(00) movement inside, whilst ’44-1015′ is the model number. ’44’ was used for models with the 7300 movement. There’s some more info on this movement and the similar 8565 here: http://www.crazywatches.pl/citizen-crystron-7300-8565-quartz-1978
Although these were expensive watches when they were new – and quartz was new technology then of course – they are not so valuable these days. If in good condition an example of a late 1970s model might be of some interest. though. However I avoid advising on value directly since there are many variables and this blog is for reference purposes, so I would advise that you search eBay for similar watches and see what they are selling for (‘vintage citizen crystron’ should find something). Stephen
Hi, I’ve been trying to interpret this based on what I am seeing online, and failing miserably. Could you please tell me about my husband’s watch?
Citizen Watch Co.
Water Resist
Base Metal SSG
3510-352254 Y
2010309
GN-4W-S
JAPAN
Hi, I’m having a hard time decoding the information on the back of a watch.
Citizen Watch Co.
Water Resist
Base Metal SSG
3510-352254 Y
2010309
GN-4W-S
JAPAN
I can’t figure out if my comment is gong through, so I apologize if this is a duplicate. I’ve been trying to figure this watch out based on the movement table, as well as other information on the internet, to no avail. Here are the details from the back of the watch:
Citizen Watch Co.
Water Resist
Base Metal SSG
3510-352254 Y
2010309
GN-4W-S
JAPAN
I believe it may be from the 70’s or 80’s; it has a metal band, so I don’t think it’s part of any special line. It’s two tone, but the band was clearly gold plated, because the gold color is wearing off’; whereas the tachometer is gold and in good shape. This may have belonged to my father-in-law, or even one of my husband’s grandfathers. No one seems to know.
Thanks for your input!
Elizabeth
Hi Elizabeth – thanks for visiting my blog and apologies for my slow reply. Sorry for the doubt about your comments getting through – I have to approve new comments before they are published to avoid anything inappropriate appearing, but subsequent ones should appear immediately. There’s no reference to your watch in the Movement Table because it is outside the parameters of my collection being a quartz and later than 1980. However, I can tell you a something about the watch 🙂
Thanks for the info from the case back – working down from the top, excluding the obvious, ‘Base Metal SSG’ indicates that the case is a nickel alloy with the appearance of stainless steel, with a gold tone bezel. ‘3510-352254 Y’ is the model number, and this tells us that inside is a 3510 quartz movement. The 35xx movement, with four versions including the 3510, was first made in 1984 – it is a quartz chronograph with alarm function, and was Citizen’s first analogue (rather then digital) chronograph with three motors to drive the 2/100 second, second, minute and hour functions. These were expensive when first launched, costing between JPY30,000 and JPY45,000, and had an accuracy rating from the factory of + or – 15 seconds per month. ‘2010309’ is the serial number, and the first three figures give a production date of January 1992. ‘GN-4W-S’ is the code for the case type, indicating a water resistant design, probably with a screw down back.
For your information here is the relevant technical manual for the 35xx movement: http://www.thewatchsite.com/files/Citizen%20Technical%20Manuals/3510.pdf
Stephen
My citizen watch shows
citizen watch co.
4-820967 SMH
53-1057
water resistant
Could u give me the details of this watch?
Hi, thanks for visiting my blog. Your watch is a hand winding 17 jewel model, with the 8260 movement inside. This is the hand winding version of the 8200 automatic. 4-820967 is the case number, which helps identify the movement, whilst 53-1057 is the model number. Unfortunately there is no serial number, so it’s not possible to pin down the date of production. I believe this movement was produced around 1985, so yours is probably from that period. Stephen
Thanks……..!😃😃😃
This blog is very valuable…..!
You’re welcome and thank you. Stephen
Hi i have a citizen watch whose back casing reads ALL STAINLESS STEEL WATER RESISTANT
4-281250 kt
10700346
gn-4-s
71-2574
Please tell me something about its date of manufacture and its series, also it has eagle 7 logo on dial
Sorry again its just an eagle logo not eagle 7
Hi ‘s’, thanks for visiting my blog. Your watch has the automatic 8200 movement, which was first produced around 1975/6. This movement has been used and developed ever since, so it can be difficult to date these models. The model number (71-2574) and the case number (4-281250) suggest that it isn’t one of the later models, so I would think it is from July 1981. It sounds like you may have an export model with a winged motif on the dial, without the ‘7’ as seen in the Eagle 7 line. Is this correct? This post on my blog gives a bit more info on the 8200 movement: https://sweep-hand.org/2013/01/27/the-8200-movement-citizens-standard-auto/
Stephen
Hi
Thanks for an early reply, yeah I too think that. We are from India, in early 80s we bought it from someone who got it from Dubai. It would be great if you could provide some additional information. Its dial has two concentric circles, inner one is black with day and date, outer one is white/silver with some sort of crystals. With a steel chain. Thanks again.
I’m not sure I can add much information – it would be helpful to see a pic if possible. You would have to post a link to somewhere like PhotoBucket though since it’s not possible for visitors to directly post an image. I’ve found just one image of model number 71-2574, although it has a different case number. Is this a similar design, but with a different colour dial?:
Stephen
Thanks Its almost same with black dial but different chain , do you know more about watch in pic that you mentioned.
Regards
Only that it is an Eagle 7 model, from the 1980s. I think the image is from an eBay sale, but there was no pic of the case back so there was no information to help identify the production date. The bracelet is probably original by the looks of it.
Stephen
Thanks Stephan
You’re welcome 🙂
Hi, sweephand,
I’m the proud owner of a well used citizen. In the caseback, they wrote:
CITIZEN
6900
4-168018 SMS
WATERRESISTANT
STAINLESSSTEEL
01206557
64-4153
Was bought in 1982, so I guess the birthday of this 6900 was in december, 1980.
In the dial,
CITIZEN
Automatic
21 Jewels
I had this watch recently serviced. The average rate is about -1 seconds per day (up to 6 seconds in daily use). I find amazing how acurate is after 37 years of life.
Thanks for the list of vintage movements! Nice blog.
Hi Killerman, thanks for visiting my blog and for your kind comments. Great to see that your watch is running so well, although I’m not surprised – Citizen’s vintage mechanical movements are very good quality. I agree yours must be from 1980. As you will have seen from the Movement Table, the 6900 movement was first produced in 1970, so I suspect yours is one of the last to be made. Stephen
Hi Stephen,
I have my mum’s citizen watch, gold coloured and was wondering if you could tell me more about it.
On the back it says:
GP
Citizen
6600
4-660544 TA
Water resistant
4082996
64-3963
GN-4W-S
On the front:
Citizen
Automatic
28800
21 jewels.
I was wondering what *21 jewels* refers to as it does not have any jewels on the watch face!
( i have no idea about how watches work)
We are from melbourne Australia if that helps any. I would like to get it cleaned up so i can wear it, its such a nice looking watch with date, day & time.
Cheers
Hi Steph, thanks for visiting my blog and for providing all the information found on your Mum’s watch. And it’s a very nice watch 🙂 It uses the 6600 movement first made in 1970, which is what’s known as a ‘high beat’ movement. This means it ticks 28800 beats per hour (bph), or 8 beats per second. The typical beat of standard mechanical watches at that time was 18,000 bph, or 5 beats per second. The higher the beat the more accurate the watch can run, but the downside is more wear. However, the 6600 movement seems to run very happily and accurately for many years without needing much attention. 21 jewels on the dial refers to the movement – watch movements use tiny man made rubies (very inexpensive) on some of the pivots which the gears spin round. This reduces wear on the pivots so they last longer and keep the movement running accurately. Typically there are 17 or 21 such jewels, sometimes less on cheaper models, sometimes more on higher end ones, with the general view that 17 is the essential minimum.
On the case back, ‘GP’ refers to the gold plated finish, whilst 4-660544 is the case number which also indicates the movement inside. ‘Water resistant’ is self explanatory, but if it were few years older it would have been marked ‘waterproof’ or ‘parawater’. 64-3963 is the model number which isn’t very helpful nowadays, although the ’64’ prefix also indicates a 6600 model. ‘GN-4W-S’ is the case type code, which would help a watchmaker when serving it since it refers to a water resistant case type with a screw down back.
This watch was probably made for the export market – I guess it was bought in Australia – since it doesn’t have a model name on the dial. Japanese market watches has the model name, which is ‘Cosmostar V2’.
Finally, when it was made? These were only made in the 1970s, and the first three figures in the serial number – 4082996 – give the production date, i.e. August 1974.
I’m afraid I don’t know immediately who might be able to service the watch in your neck of the woods. It will need someone who knows vintage high beat watches and can work on small, compact movements. I’ll make some enquiries and see whether I can get a recommendation for you.
Stephen
Good day!
I just want to ask about my father’s watch. Your blog / article was very helpful and i hoping that you will help me too.
Here is the details.
Front
Citizen
Automatic
Eagle 7
21 jewels
( i saw this number on the lower part of my watch)
Japan 8200 -811787 K A
Case back
Citizen
Water resist
Stainless
4-823389 Y
4062692
51-4039
GN-4W-S
Japan
Thnak you!
Hello Stephen,
I have an “Eagle 7” watch with the following writings:
On the dial:
Citizen, automatic, Eagle 7 logo, 21 Jewels, WR 100, 8200 R49291-Y
On the back:
8200-R11628 RC, Citizen Watch Co. St. Steel, Water resist 100, GN-4W-S, 210098
Can you tell me the manufacture year?
Thank you,
Dan
Hi Dan, thanks for visiting my blog. The style of the case back markings on your watch indicate that it is a later model in the Eagle 7 line, so I reckon it is from 1902 (from the first figure in the serial number). Stephen
Thank you very much. i think you mean 1992 instead of 1902.
Best wishes,
Dan
Oops, yes 1992! Stephen
Hello there I was reading your blog and even checked out the movement table, and I could not find my mothers watch. I’m guessing it’s from the 1980s? because I’ve been reading all the different ways that you interpret the information located on the backing. Anyway here goes
my mothers watch
GP
Citizen
6700
4–673816 Y.O.
4010689
66–7064
The front says 21 jewels and it is a hand wind watch. It was fine up until a couple of years ago and now it doesn’t work anymore and I absolutely adore it as my mother gave it to me. Do you think there’s any hope? Is there anything you can tell me about my watch?
Best regards,
Alicia
Hi Alicia, thanks for visiting my blog and apologies for my late reply. I’m sorry that your watch movement is not listed in the Movement Table – that’s because it dates from the early 1980s which is just after the period my reference information relates to. However, I do know that it is a 6700 movement, which is a women’s watch calibre of course, with either 19 or 21 jewels and running at 21,600 beats per hour. The marks on the back are:
6700 – the movement reference
GP – Gold Plated case
4-673816 – the case number
66-7064 – the model number
4010689 – the serial number, and the first three figures indicate a production date of January 1984
I’m afraid parts for the watch will be very difficult to source, but it may be (if it seems like nothing has actually broken) that the movement needs a thorough service – cleaning and oiling – by someone who knows how to work on vintage mechanical movements. It’s not a complicated movement so a competent watchmaker should be able to do it. The other option is to buy a ‘donor’ watch with a working movement – or even the same model! See here for example: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Wunderschone-Citizen-21-Jewels-Handaufzug-Damenuhr-6700-Ladies-Watch-1980s-Rare-/382048503890?hash=item58f3dd8852:g:L2UAAOSwIWVY90pm
Hope this helps, Stephen
Hi,
I have 2 Citizen Automatic . I’m from Sri Lanka. I want to know the production date of those citizen watches.
First one-
Citizen watch co.
4-280016 KT
00205656
51-8051
Second one-
Citizen watch co.
water resistant
stainless
4-038836 HST
677517
GN-4-s
JAPAN
First one from my grand father and other one from ebay.(http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-citizen-men-039-s-date-day-automatic-japan-working-wrist-watch-C022-/222598900229?hash=item33d3edaa05%3Ag%3AswsAAOSwhQhY0tb6&nma=true&si=jIpgXlL3Ud1eJDhe0K%252FiyBOeMvc%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.)Is ebay watch is good?
–Thamalka–
Hi Thamalka, thanks for visiting my blog. These two Citizens are 8200 automatics. This movement was used for over 30 years, so dating them can be difficult. I reckon the first one, your grand father’s watch, is probably from February 1980 – the eight figure serial number usually indicates an earlier model. The second one might be from July 1986, but it could be 1996. I’m afraid I can’t be more definite about that one. Stephen
hi!!!!
Also I have a small citizen watch.It is broken very much.
CITIZEN
STAINLESS
STEEL BACK
730-25110
JAPAN
I have a RADO DIASTAR automatic watch . Is it good?I want to know the production date of citizen watch.
Hi Thamalka, the model number you’ve given for the Citizen doesn’t look correct – should it be 73-xxxx? Is there a serial number as well on the back? Also if you can see a code at the bottom of the dial, that would help. I’m afraid I can’t help with the Rado Diastar – try a Google search for ‘Rado Diastar forum’ which will help get some info. Stephen
I need your help to identify this watch. This belonged to my dad and he had told me that the logo and everything inside just fell off due to heavy usage.
The case back has thr following written on it.
ALL STAINLESS STEEL
WATER RESISTANT
CITIZEN WATCH CO
4-280318 KT
91103311
GN-4W-S
71-1934
JAPAN
The dial is blue and has lines going horizontally with lines towards the middle spaced very close and the spacing increases towards the outside. The watch has day and date as well. Please help me identify the watch and if you can, please send me a photo of how the watch looks like coz I wanna know how it originally looked like. I’d appreciate your help a lot because this timepiece is a memory of my beloved dad and it would mean the world to me if I find out more about this watch.
Hi Ujjwal, thanks for visiting my blog. Your father’s watch is an automatic with the 8200 movement inside – this was introduced around 1976 and became Citizen’s workhorse mechanical auto for over 30 years. There’s more information on the movement here: https://sweep-hand.org/2013/01/27/the-8200-movement-citizens-standard-auto/
Unfortunately I don’t have any photos of your watch – the closest example I have found has a white dial (some models did have different dials), here: http://www.kaplans.se/en/auktioner/2491/vara/939167 – does yours have the same case?
The 8200 is often seen in the ‘Eagle 7’ models, but yours is a bit earlier than those – the first three figures in the serial number tell us that it was made in November 1979.
Stephen
Hi Sweephand,
What a fascinating blog. You know more about Citizen watches than I ever thought it was possible to know!
I’ve just bought this watch and I’m curious to know the model number. It’s obviously a Citizen Automatic but I can’t ID it beyond that.
I am guessing, but I might be wrong, that it was made in January 1979, has a 8200 movement and the case code is 4-822111. The dial code is 8200-826041-Y and the serial number is 90101587 . The Day wheel shows the day in English and in Japanese.
Photos here
https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipNFqddDGy4vQWnE1Fnbw15QM9-hbU7oQAu1H9Wb3szkQnN_k-tiWhWr8pClkUQsRw/photo/AF1QipPUk58kqB8LVTGLiBRD7AdgOAlTLwnONDYZ17LX?key=dWlYaXJaT05PN3oxZUxJMDJFU2k3bEg4bkRWdUl3
https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipNFqddDGy4vQWnE1Fnbw15QM9-hbU7oQAu1H9Wb3szkQnN_k-tiWhWr8pClkUQsRw/photo/AF1QipNbQy4H7R28AV-w0G2wU24AiRA0tmNeK3FG6pkM?key=dWlYaXJaT05PN3oxZUxJMDJFU2k3bEg4bkRWdUl3
thanks
Danny
Hi Danny, thanks for visiting my blog and for your kind comments. I agree with you that the watch is from January 1979. Some of Citizen’s watches don’t have a unique model number and this is
one of them. Soon after yours was made, i.e. in the early 1980s, the majority of the 8200 models were part of the Eagle 7 range which added an applied logo to the dial. There’s more info on the 8200 here: https://sweep-hand.org/2013/01/27/the-8200-movement-citizens-standard-auto/ Stephen
Hi sweephand
please could you give me information about my watch
CITIZEN
WATCH CO.
4-280041 KT
11001108
51-8093
Hi, thanks for visiting my blog. Your watch is one of the 21 jewel 8200 automatics, I think one of the ‘Eagle 7’ models which were first produced early in the 1980s. I would think, from the first three figures in the serial number, that it was made in October 1981. There’s more on this movement here: https://sweep-hand.org/2013/01/27/the-8200-movement-citizens-standard-auto/
Stephen
Hi Stephen,
I picked up an old Citizen a couple of days from a Watch repair shop. I was informed that it was from the 70’s and lying unclaimed with them for over 15 years. The watch surprisingly works fine (although it looks beat-up) with only ± 15 seconds per 24 hrs hours.
Details on the caseback are CITIZEN WATCH CO / WATER RESIST / STAINLESS STEEL / 4-664116 TA / 6053139 / GN-4-S / Japan, while what I could read on the movement after removing the back was 6650 A Caliber / 21 Jewels …. just wondering if this is a franken watch with a different movement # on replacement caseback ? I have attached pics of the dial / caseback and movement at the following link ……….
[ https://drive.google.com/open?id=1_wfvic6X19URPtkYJew-5kKHlBdinsCd ]
I checked for similar images on google and also could not find any ….. any help on its antecedents would be very much appreciated …. thanking you in advance …… Josen
Hi Josen, thanks for visiting my blog. In my opinion this is a genuine Citizen, and is an example of a women’s ‘Eagle 7’ model. The Eagle 7’s were a range of watches bearing the winged 7 logo, with the majority being men’s watches using the 8200 auto movement. However, women’s models were available and needed a smaller movement, namely the 6650 – this was based on the earlier 6600 which was a high beat (28,800 beats per hour) calibre. I think the 6650 was ‘de-tuned’ to run at 21,600 bph. The case back info is all consistent with this and I have seen similar dial designs with this movement. I believe the 6650 was made in the 1980s, so from the first three figures in the serial number (6053139) yours is from May 1986. It couldn’t have been from the 1970s since this movement wasn’t made then, and the Eagle 7 range was not introduced until the early 1980s. Stephen
Thank You, for your prompt and detailed reply … all the information given is much appreciated.
You’re welcome
I have a Citizen watch which was my fathers, a gift from my mother to him. For sentimental reasons I am attempting to get it running again. I need a replacement coil which drives the movement. The coil windings are damaged and it would seem unlikely that any one would rewind it. I am hoping someone maybe able to direct me or help obtain the part.
The watch model is GN-4W-S, followed in the next line “44-1015”
I would be very grateful for any help or advice.
Best regards,
Bryan
Hi Bryan, thanks for visiting my blog. I’m not an expert on quartz watches, but I might at least be able to identify the movement in yours. ’44-1015′ is the model number (GN-4W-S) is the case type code) but isn’t that helpful these days. Is there another number on the back, in this format: 4-xxxxxx? That is the case number and should help me get the movement number. Stephen
Hi Stephen, thanks for getting back to me, I looked again and found the following 4-730127K.
Regards,
Bryan
Hi Bryan, thanks for the case number. This helps id the movement as the 7300, which was a very nice early quartz, from around 1979/80, and were expensive to buy. Very weirdly I’ve had another person ask me about the very same model this week! As far as I know, any replacement movements will have been used up years ago, especially since rapid development of mass production techniques rendered them obsolete very quickly, so the only solution will be a ‘donor’ watch with a working movement that can be transplanted to yours. Searching eBay for ‘Citizen Crystron’ will be the way to find something. I’m also going to check whether any other movements from back in the day will fit to help with this can you see a dial code on the face? It will be below the 6 o’clock marker, following ‘JAPAN’ usually. For your information here’s the relevant tech manual for the movement: http://www.thewatchsite.com/files/Citizen%20Technical%20Manuals/7300.pdf
Stephen
Stephen, Thank you again for your quick reply. I opened the watch again and got a number off the movement that is similar to your research. The number is 7300C. The face details are as follows “JAPAN 7100-713408KA” and the day names alternate between English & I presume Japanese characters.
I can send you photos if it would help your database Stephen.
Regards,
Bryan
Thanks Bryan, that’s very helpful – interesting that the dial code starts with 7100. This confirms that the 7100 movement would also fit, so you it gives a further option if they are hard to find. The 7300 was a later development of the 7300. Here’s the 7100 tech manual so you can compare, obviously it’s the day/date versions that will be the correct ones: http://www.thewatchsite.com/files/Citizen%20Technical%20Manuals/7100.pdf Stephen
Hi Stephen, thanks for all your help and the link for the manual. I’ll let you know how I go with getting the watch going again.
Cheers for now,
Bryan
Hello,
I have been looking around and haven’t been able to find anything of this watch on the internet. It is from my grandfather and at the jewelry they said it is from around 1950.
The front:
Citizen
Automatic
21 Jewels
Japan 6-
The backside:
GN-1-S
Parameter
Citizen
Automatic
C.G.P
4-721039 Y
20910850
67-5440
Here some pictures
I am also curious about what the watch is worth since I haven’t been able to find anything about it. However I am not planning on selling it since it has been in the family for a while.
Thank you very much.
Hi, thanks for visiting my blog. Great to see that you have got your grandfather’s watch – the jeweller was a bit out on the production date though! What you have is an export version of what was known on the Japanese domestic market as a Seven Star V2. These were made for a few years from around 1970. The export models did not feature the model name on the dial and had the nice applied logo instead. The case number – 4-721039 – shows that the movement inside is one of 72 family, which was introduced in 1969. These are very nice movements, reliable and capable of high accuracy, and one of the last of the pre-quartz era calibres that Citizen produced. I have seen examples of your particular model (67-5440) in Australian and German catalogues from 1970 and 1974 respectively. The first three figures in the serial number give the production date which is September 1972.
Values of these models are not particularity high, and condition is crucial to collectors I don’t try to offer valuations since there are many variables – you can get some idea by searching eBay for example, probably best to use ‘Citizen Seven Star’ to find examples.
Stephen
Hii…Stephen…, Please could you give me information my watch
Citizen Automatic
4-039203 SMK
640310
GN-4W-s
Hi Hasan, thanks for visiting my blog. Could you please describe what is on the watch face, and any other marks on the back. That will help to identify it correctly, thanks. Stephen
Thank you for your wonderful work!!!
I just bought my first watch on Ebay, and started off with a bang!. The watch is question is (I believe) a franken-Citizen Automatic with a recased 8200A movement.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/GENUINE-VINTAGE-CITIZEN-AUTOMATIC-8200A-D-amp-D-21J-WRIST-WATCH-FOR-MEN-039-S-JAPAN-MADE-/222929624274?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&nma=true&si=BtvWbJaZj5lXTYGq6JGv5HoBumI%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc
The case back has the following information:
CITIZEN WATCH CO.
WATER RESIST
STAINLESS
4-038771 SMT
60350101
71-4895
GN-4W-S
After reading through your blog, I know that the watch was (supposedly) made in either 1976 or 1986 March, but I could not find any information about the model. My primary concern is that the 8200A movement is not mentioned anywhere on the caseback.
I really liked the dial on the watch so I’ll keep it, but it sure has been an eyeopener. Better to get stung right at the beginning!
Thanks,
Ravi
Hi.. I have a 21 jewels automatic Citizen watch, the markings on the back are as follows:
4-822447 TA
90912514
GN-4W-S
71-1811
Can you please tell me anything about it?
Hi Fitri, thanks for visiting my blog. Your watch has the 8200 movement inside. It was first produced around 1976, and I think yours s fairly early, from September 1979. More info is here: Stephen
Hi Sweephand, thanks for the great blog. Do you plerhaps have a service manual or exsploded diagram for a 5470 movement? ( or 5400, 5410,5420, 5430, 5470)
Also I have aquired a Citizen of ebay with the following details on the case back
4-281080 KT
011 012 70
GN-4W-S
71-2591
I have noticed that these caseback are all over ebay on different watches. Is this an indication that the watch is a re-dial from India?
Hi Marchand, I can help with the 54xx movement, but after you contacted me via the enquiry form on 16th January my email back to you was ‘undeliverable’ (see my post here: https://sweep-hand.org/2019/01/16/have-you-contacted-me/). Have you got a different email address I can use? If so, don’t post it here since this is a public blog, but use the enquiry form again.
The watch you bought from eBay is most likely a re-dial – although the case number – 4-281080 – is a genuine one the serial number is strange and not typical of Citizen, so I don’t believe it’s an original piece. Stephen
I hope my last comment got through.
it did 🙂 there is a delay because I have to approve comments before they appear – helps avoid spam / inappropriate comments. Stephen
Hello! first of all your blog is wonderful.
I would like you to give me information about my watch that was owned by my great-grandfather and thanks to my dad it is now mine
in the fontal part it says:
CITIZEN
AUTOMATIC
21 JEWELS
In the back:
CITIZEN
WATCH CO.
4-280296 KT
10804619
GN-4W-S
71-1811
I appreciate that you can give me all the information possible because the clock works very well.
Greetings.
Hi and thanks for visiting my blog and for you kind comment. Your watch is an ‘Eagle 7’ model, using Citizen’s 21 jewel 8200 automatic movement. This movement was first made around 1976, and remained in production for over 30 years. ‘4-280296’ is the case number, ‘KT’ is possibly the factory code, whilst ‘GN-4W-S’ is the case type code – this one is a water resistant design with a screw down case back. ’71-1811′ is the model number, which is not very helpful these days, but I know the ’71’ was used for 8200 models.Although the movement is not one of Citizen’s high grade calibres, it is a reliable and robust one, that can run very accurately. It runs at 21,600 beats per hour, which had become typical for watch movements in the 1970s and 1980s. The actual production date is difficult to be sure of, since the movement was made over a long period of time, with the Eagle 7 models made from 1980 and right through the 1990s. However, the serial number (10804619) consists of eight figures which is more usual in the earlier Eagle 7’s, as is the ’71’ model number. So I would think this one was made in August 1981 (from the first three figures of the serial number).
For you info I’m sending the instruction booklet for the 8200 movement to you by email.
Stephen
I came across your interesting and informative blog and comment responses whilst searching for some information on two Citizen 8200 watches I have had for years.
The comments on their reliability and accuracy agree with my experience.
The first I bought in the early 90s after I overwound my 17 Jewel Sekonda. I have worn it almost every day since then and it still proves reliable and accurate. It used to go for months and years without stopping or winding but it does sometimes stop at night now – probably meaning I need to be more active!
The markings are as follows.
FRONT:
CITIZEN AUTOMATIC
EAGLE 7
P-8200-RO9132-KY
REAR:
CITIZEN WATCH CO
WATER RESIST
BASE METAL YP
8200-RO1355 RC
5030150
GN-4W-S
Is there any significance in the 7 digit serial number? Most on here have 6 or 8. I thought I bought this in the early 90s but am I right in identifying the 503 as March 1995? Or is 1985 more likely? It is gold plated with a brown leather strap (It must be on about its 20th strap by now!).
My second 8200 I bought a few years later as mechanical watches were getting rarer and I wanted a spare or future replacement. This watch has hardly been out of its box since I bought it and looks new. It is stainless steel with a black face. The markings are as follows:
FRONT:
CITIZEN AUTOMATIC
EAGLE 7
WATER RESIST
JAPAN MOVT-P-8200-SB2717-HSK
REAR:
CITIZEN WATCH CO
WATER RESIST
STAINLESS
4-039181 HST
712831
GN-4-S
I assume this is from January 1997 which would be about right for the year I bought it.
Do you have any idea why this one says “JAPAN MOVT” on the front but the other one doesn’t?
Can you identify anything else from the serial numbers?
Thank you for any help you can give, I realise these are a bit too modern for your primary interest.
Hi Tom, thanks for visiting my blog and for your kind comment. Serial numbers: 8 digit ones tend to be the older models, with 7 or 6 digit serials being later. The model/case number (8200-R01355) is a later style too, i.e. with 8200 at the start, rather than ‘4’, and containing the letter R as well. So I think 1995 is likelier. The shorter power reserve probably indicates that it needs a service and lubrication. I’m not surprised that it has run so sell over the years, the 8200 is a solid and fairly simple design which can run reliably and accurately.
I think the second watch is from 1997 – consistent with the 6 digit serial#, although the case number is the earlier style. I think the ‘JAPAN MVT’ also indicates 1990s production, probably because the watch could have been assembled outside Japan. Nothing else can be discerned from the serial numbers. Is the dial on this one lumed? If so the ‘P’ in the dial code probably indicates the use of Promethium lume paint – it’s slightly radioactive but safe in the case and under crystal 🙂
Stephen
Thank you Stephen.
Yes both dials are lumed, it probably is promethium as they only glow faintly in the dark now. It did register very slightly on a radiation scanner when I was scanned leaving a nuclear facility about 15 years ago.
I have an extract from a 1994 Argos catalogue which shows both of these watches and a couple of other Citizen automatics listed.
You’re welcome
Hello, Stephen,
I’ve came across a friend’s watch. It’s a Citizen Quartz. The markings of the back are as follow:
CITIZEN
WATCH CO.
BASE METAL TOP
STAINLESS STEEL BACK
4-795822 YO
9076442
46-3124
JAPAN
GP
My best guess is that was made in 1979, July. Could be from 1989, but it doesn’t look so modern.
Thanks in advance!
In the front, appears:
JAPAN 7920 796451Y (not sure)
Hi, thanks for visiting my blog. The watch is from July 1979. The dial code is very helpful, since it tells us that the movement inside is a 7920. This is one of the earlier quartz movements, and so it is a good quality calibre made before mass production took over. It was used in the first of the ‘Exceed’ line of watches – is the dial marked Exceed, or not? There were several variants of the 7900 movement, and the 7920 is the best quality, made to run at +/- 5 seconds per month when it left the factory. Other than one model – the very special and extraordinarily expensive ‘4 Mega’ – this was the best performance from a Citizen quartz at that time, and it was an expensive piece as a result. These early quartz movements were made to last, and to be serviced, so it is a nice thing.
Stephen
Hi Sweephand,
I’ve come across your blog while trying to identify my father’s Citizen Automatic wristwatch. I would appreciate it if you could tell me more about the watch.
It’s dial states:
CITIZEN
AUTOMATIC
21 JEWELS
JAPAN N-8210-G4OWS1-5K (it might be G40WSI-SK, the print is really small)
On the back, it states:
WR50
CITIZEN WATCH CO.
STAINLESS
4-G4OSS1 HSM
910318
GN-4-S
JAPAN
On both sides of the watch, there is a symbol similar to the Mazda logo without the box around it.
Thank you in advance.
Hi Brian, thanks for visiting my blog. The dial code tells that your watch has an 8210 movement inside. This is one of the 8200 calibres, which was launched in 1975 and was in production for over 30 years. Dating these can be difficult, but the case number containing the letter G and the six figure serial number suggest it’s a relatively late one, so probably it’s from 1999. Many 8200 models are Eagle 7 models, but the logo on yours is different – may be an export model. Stephen
Hello Sweephand,
I have a Citizen Chronograph that I can’t seem to date properly based on your table. Here’s what it says on the back:
4-901045 TA
10400751
GN-4-S
67-9119
So far, I have determined that it is a 67-9119 model with an 8110A movement. However, the serial number indicates it was produced in a year ending in “1”. Since the production for this movement started in 1972, I can only conclude that the watch I have was produced in 1981. Does this make sense? I thought the end production year for this movement was in 1980?
Any help you can give will be highly appreciated.
Best,
Michael
Hi Michael, thanks for visiting my blog. You’re correct that your watch was made in 1971 – the 9119 was one of the later models in the 8110 line-up and did make it into the 1980s. The very latest 8110 model was the Walter Wolf special edition, and they were sold around 1983. Stephen
Hi Sweephand,
Thanks for the quick reply. However, you wrote that my watch was made in 1971. I’m assuming that was a typo and you meant 1981?
Best,
Michael
Oh sorry, yes 1981.
Hi. Stephen. Please could you give me information my watch
Citizen Watch CO
Water resist
Stainless
4-039203 SMK
30206132
GN-4W-s
Hi Gellean, thanks for visiting. Your watch is an Eagle 7 model, made in February 1983 I should think. It uses the 8200 automatic movement. ‘GN-4W-S’ is the case type code, indicating a water resistant design with a screw down back. More info on the movement here: https://sweep-hand.org/2013/01/27/the-8200-movement-citizens-standard-auto/
Stephen
Hi, My citizen automatic Clock.This number is back 4-601220K and 61-9671.What is this Clock prize.?
Hi Esa, sorry for not replying sooner. I don’t try to offer valuations, it is best to see what you can find for sale on the internet t get an idea.
Hi Stephen,
I have a Citizen Eagle red 7 – 20 years old. Will you be able to extend your expertise in having alook at it.
Thanks a lot.
VJ
Hi Vayomi, I agree that yours looks to be from the 1990s, the serial number indicates 1995. Here’s ino on the 8200A calibre: https://sweep-hand.org/2013/01/27/the-8200-movement-citizens-standard-auto/
Hello Sweephand,
I got a Citizen watch which miss a winding gear for the mainspring. It states on the back:
53-8118
0951
GN-4W-5
Does it using a ’02’ Homer movement? Could you advice me if it is possible to find a replacement for the missing gear?
[img]https://www.dropbox.com/s/onx0o0zopbjr6pd/1.png?dl=0[/img]
[img]https://www.dropbox.com/s/ghsfb92r5s4nhti/2.png?dl=0[/img]
Thanks a lot
I’ve been looking for a web site with this information… It seems like forever.
THANK YOU for your much welcomed and appreciated work!
Hi Philip – glad you found my blog and that it’s proving useful 🙂 Stephen
Hi, I have one that states on the back:
CITIZEN
WATCH CO.
Water resistant
Base metal top
Stainless steel back
4-711866 TA
9022347
44-7145
Gn-7w-u
Japan
6p
Any help would be greatly appreciated!
Hi Alexandru, sorry for my late reply. Your quartz watch is a fairly early example using one of the 71 movements which were introduced in the late 1970s. The serial number gives a production date of February 1979. 44-7145 is the model number, whilst the case number – 4-711866 – is more useful since it indicates the movement inside. GN-7W-U is the case type code indicating a water resistant type with screw down back. There were different grades of 71 movements – the 710 ran at +/- 15 seconds a month, the 714 ran at +/- 10 seconds, the 712F and 713F ran at =/- 10 seconds whilst the 712E and 713E ran at +/- 5 seconds a month. If you can get the back off you should be able to id which one is in yours. I don’t know if the ’44-7145′ model number indicates a 714 movement. Stephen
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Citizen day date case back details – 4-s 81527 HST 741375 GN- 4W-S A word on the details of the movement will be much welcome. Note:
Water resist. Base metal YP. The rotor is dual half semi circular.
Greetings Stephen,
My name is Akale. I stumbled upon your blog because I just found a Citizen watch marked Japan 17J 8250B in the bottom of a bag of costume jewelry. It has the day & date on the dial. The day alternates between Korean & English. The back has no serial number. It has Citizen & a CK mark with the K inside the C. It also has written, “water resistant & Stainless Steel”. I didn’t find it in your table either.
Can you tell me anything about it? I’m not sure if it’s a fake or not. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Give thanks,
Akale
Hi Akale, thanks for visiting my blog. I’m not sure about this one – have you got any photos uploaded you can link to? Or let me know if you want me to email you so you can send pics. Stephen
Hey Stephen, thanks for the reply! Apologies for not replying sooner. Hopefully this link works. If not, please email me & I can send you the pics that way.
Give thanks,
Akale
https://photos.app.goo.gl/k53q4JJavrQHJfYC8
Hi Akale, thanks for the link – I see just one pic, of the case back, so it would be good to see the dial as well. The engraving looks authentic to me especially the shape of the ‘C’ – I’m wondering whether this might be one made in South Korea where Citizen established a case making factory there around 1973, so they added the ‘K’. Stephen
Greetings Stephen,
Apologies for just the 1 pic in there. Operator error! Here is an updated link with additional pics.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/k53q4JJavrQHJfYC8
Again, Give thanks,
Akale
Hi Akale, thanks for the pics. Apologies for my slow response. Your watch is interesting since it’s the first time I have seen an 8250 movement. Usually the hand winding version of the 8200 movement is the 8260, which is date only. It now appears that there was a day and date hand winder and it’s the 8250. I’m confident that it is authentic by the looks of it, especially seeing the dial code present and correct. I reckon it was most likely made / assembled in Korea, which explains the CK mark. Where did you find this one? Stephen
The watch was in the bottom of a bag of costume jewelry I bought at an estate sale in Maryland. I believe the house was owned by a Korean family. I was wondering if its worth it to get it fixed?
Thanks so much for your help. Is there a way to make a donation on your blog?
Hello Mr Sweephand, i already read little about this site cause i just found this site a few days ago and I will continue reading this useful site in the days to come. I have a question related to the watch more or less belonging to Brian Thomas, how can I adjust the day, because when I pull the first crown, to adjust time, then when pull the second crown to adjust date as if it were spring, do I have to rotate to adjust day on this watch 24 hours ?? Above this the information about my watch.
1. Information on dial ( two tone colour green black with day date)
1. Citizen
2. Cosmostarv2
3. Automatic
4. 28800
5. 21J
6. Japan 6600-660941-Y
2. Information at backcase
1. Citizen
2. 4-660102 Y
3. Para water
4. Stainless Steel
5. 1123225
6. 64-3637
Thank you, hope you
Hi thanks for visiting my blog. I’m afraid I no longer have my example of the day and date Cosmostar V2 so I can’t check this myself. If the time and date setting are working properly then it might well be true that the watch has to be turned through 24 hours to set the day. The day is set first, then the date and time in the morning before 12 noon. Stephen
Thank you Stephen and really appreciate with your responded , that day im not dreaming cause im already responded by the owner the famous site about Citizen vintage watch, yahooooookko
How are you Stephen, I hope you are well there and I hope covid19 hits us all quickly so we can go about our daily lives as usual, many questions I want to ask you about my Citizen watch, first of all about the Citizen Crystron model 4-860284 Y serial number 50800779, I tried to find information in google about this watch but there is only a little info, I don’t even have the 1975 catalog. This watch has a square white dial and works very excellent in terms of accuracy, a little disappointed of this watch is the glass and the bracelet is not the original, about the strap I do not care much, but about the glass, where if I want to buy and how to measure the glass if I want to buy online?
Hi, I have inherited my grandmothers watch with reads as follows
66-3026
CITIZEN
G.P
STAINLESS BACK
4-330081 YO
9128628
front reads
CITIZEN
21 JEWELS
Hi Pauline, sorry for my late reply. 66-3026 is the model number, and 4-330081 is the case number. The ’66’ and ‘4-33’ combination means this watch uses the hand winding 015 movement, probably 0153 in fact. The 015 is part of a family of movements numbered 0110 to 0170 and was made in the late 1960s and early 1970s. The first three figures in the serial number (912) are used to date the watch, so yours is from December 1969. Stephen
Do all the vintage Citizen 8200 movement watches are also everyday handwindable without damage like the latest movements?
Hi Chandrasekaran, thanks for visiting. The 8200 auto movement does hand wind, but it is recommended only to use it to start it up, then rely on the swinging rotor to wind it fully and keep it running. Here are the relevant instructions:
Calibers No. 8200, 8210, 66 69
CTZ-P6911
STARTING THE WATCH
This watch has a high self-winding mechanism that
winds the mainspring with a light motion of your
wrist. However, to obtain best performance, it is
recommended that the crown be wound manually
5 to 10 times at the normal position .
If the watch does not start yet, wind the crown 5 to
10 times further or give a shock slightly to the watch
Thank You very much. It is recommended in the new watch manual hard copy for Citizen NH 7501- 85 H (8200 movement) that the watch can also be wound 15 to 20 rounds by crown manually everyveryday. Request for clarification Please!
Please give me the details of of my following watch: citizen dial markings: japan 6651 RGA 222 Y: CASE BACK: citizen watch Co. Water resist, Base St. Steel 4-R 61 6140 RC 110131 GN – 4 -S Japan. The help is much solicited.
,
In my citizen hand winding mechanical watch caliber 8260a the letters AS is found. The case back details are ; CITIZEN WATCH Co., 4-822218 SMH 63 64 1154 Water Resistant Japan. The watch has no date window. Any information on this watch will be received with thanks!
Hi Stephen,
If there is any chance to have a part manual or service manual for Citizen Crystron 8630? I got some junk from Japan. The dial and case is in pretty decent condition but the movement itself have been taken into parts. Here is the information in the caseback:
CITIZEN
WATCH CO
ALL STINESS STEEL
4-860519 TA
1101089
GN-5-S
JAPAN
Thanks a lot
Hey I was wondering if you knew what size pallet fork is used in the 1963 citizen 4 0200 movement. Broke mine but there’s so many sizes online and I can’t find that one.
Hi Shane – the part number for the 02 pallet fork is 035-29 – Google search using ‘Citizen 035-29’ should get a result
I’ll take your word for it mate thank you very much 😊 I’ve been searching for a way to identify this watch for a while, this site is fantastic thanks again!
You’re welcome 👍🏻
Hi,
I have a watch that belonged to my great gran. I know it’s not old, or worth anything, but I’m interested to know when it was purchased and what the writing on the back means.
It says:
Citizen
Base metal YP
3220-940708 SMW
5034456
32-5945
From my research here and elsewhere, I am assuming it dates from post 1977, the 220 movement isn’t listed on your table, and that the 503 is the march in the year ending in 5. As she passed way at the end of the 80s, I’m guessing it was made in 1985.
It’s gold plated Base metal.
Do you think my date sounds correct? And could you clarify what SMW stands for?
As its small, pretty and gold, I’m sure it’s not “Swiss military watch” 🙂
Many thanks,
Catherine. X
Hi Catherine, apologies for my late reply. I agree with you that your Great Gran’s watch is from 1985 – March of that year in fact (‘503’ in the serial number). The 3220 movement was made from the mid 1980s to around 1990/91 as far as I know. I think the ‘SMW’ mark relates to the factory where the watch was made or assembled. It is one of a number of letter codes that follow case numbers used by Citizen, but I’ve never been able to pin their meaning down for certain I’m afraid. 32-5945 is the model number. Stephen