If You Like Citizen’s Vintage Chronographs….

…then I hope you will be interested in a new page I’ll be publishing this weekend. I’m no watchmaker, so my understanding of the inner workings of any watch is limited – chronographs are even more mysterious! However, as I trailed a few weeks ago, I am very happy that the work of a master watchmaker in the USA will now be featured here 🙂  We will be able to see how he restores Citizen’s  superb 8110 chronograph watch – and he can do wonders with what might otherwise be regarded as ‘no-hopers’.

In the meantime, here’s one that hasn’t needed restoration:


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12 Responses to If You Like Citizen’s Vintage Chronographs….

  1. Thaweechai Boonsiriseth says:

    I have two of them but different model.

  2. I can’t wait to read it! 🙂

  3. Leonard says:

    Hi look forward to that! I have four of them, two of them exactly as seen on your picture (don’t have the matching shirt unfortunately 🙂 one which I got as a present 40 years ago, it’s wearable bot no longer nice, so I bought a mint one in addition. Then another one with black dial and rotating bezel, and ofcourse a close to mint Bullhead. (and two IWCs and a TAG Heuer but that’s another forum..)


  4. bramp says:

    Great looking piece! Can’t wait to necome a regular follower of the other page too!

  5. John says:

    It never occurred to me when I took over my son’s Citizen watch recently that it may be older that I thought but having found your site it seems possible you will know for sure how old it actually is..
    It has N-8200-S82695-KA on the dial. (and the Eagle 7 logo) It has day and date in English and German
    The case back has:-
    4-039181 MSE
    0 9 2 1 9 9

    I’ve spent quite a long time trying to get it as accurate as possible, but the required minuscule amount of movement to the adjuster (tiny fractions of a millimeter) has defeated me I think. I can get it gaining 10 seconds a day or losing 10 seconds a day but so far nowhere in between. I did, in error, move what I understand is the isochronism adjustment early on but I think I got it back to where it was and anyway the speed is very stable over time albeit either +10 sec/day or -10 sec/day. I am correct in assuming that the lever with the 2 gold studs is what I should be adjusting I hope!

    • sweephand says:

      Hi John, thanks for visiting my blog. Your son’s watch is a fairly recent model using the 8200 automatic movement as far as I know. Citizen have used this movement since 1975, so it can be difficult to date them. The style of the dial code (N-8200-S82695-KA)is used on more modern watches. I found an example for sale on eBay (using the case code 4-039181) and it was described as modern (i.e. post the year 2000).
      Without the fine adjuster found on high-beat / higher end watches, it is hard to make the tiny adjustments needed when you are trying to make them as accurate as possible. You are moving the correct lever 🙂 To be fair +/- 10 seconds a day is pretty good for this movement – I think the factory setting is something like +/- 40 seconds so you are well within that. Chronometer standard for the ‘mean daily rate’ is -1 to +10 so if you have it running 10 seconds fast you are on the edge of chronometer level…


      • John says:

        Thanks for that info Stephen. Since my original post I’ve got it down to gaining nothing overnight and about 4 seconds in 8 hours since. From what you said I think I should be content with that!
        I am a bit obsessive with clock accuracy, probably coming from my early years when I got a Timex electric watch in 1962. That was before quartz watches, just the balance wheel maintained by a battery triggered solenoid instead of a spring. That was within a second or so per week.
        I suppose I could easily go out and buy a watch locked to the 60kHz time transmission from Anthorn but where’s the fun in that!!
        At work I keep our master clock at 13ms ahead of Radio 4 GTS – the typical delay on that service between the source in London and its arrival in Sheffield. Well I did say obsessive!!


        • sweephand says:

          Maybe a tad obsessive John 🙂 Interesting to hear that you had a Timex electric. Have you looked at the Cosmotron page, showing Citizen’s tale on elector-mechanical watches? See here:
          If you also follow the Blogroll link to ‘Electric Watches’ you can see loads of info and a gallery of movements including Timex.

          The accuracy you’ve achieved on that 8200 is excellent, nice work,


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