The Hand Winders


Citizen Vintage Hand Winders

The hand winding, or ‘manual’, watch is the original type of wrist-worn time piece. Although for some the merits of automatic winding of mechanical watches is a necessity, for many the traditional simplicity of a hand wound vintage watch is still an attractive and interesting part of the collection.

Although movement details and specifications can be found in the Movement Table, I thought it might be helpful to summarise the hand winders produced by Citizen here as a quick reference point. The summary starts with the earliest model launched in 1931, and ends in 1970. It’s as comprehensive as I can make it at the moment, but if you spot any errors or omissions please let me know. Where I’ve not got verified information on data I use ‘?’ to signify a gap or uncertainty. The majority of models are men’s watches – I have included women’s models where I have been able to find information, and these are indicated in the name / movement type column.

For more information on dial markings, particularly on the earlier models, please refer to the Movement Table (via the Blogroll link).

Name or Movement Type

Year of First Production

Jewels

F-Type

1931

16, ?

K-Type (women’s)

1935

?

L-Type (women’s)

1940

?

Center Second (version 1)

1948

?

New Citizen

1949

10,17

Special Citizen

1950

8,11, 16,17

Pet (women’s)

1951

17

Center Second (version 2)

1952

7,8,11,18,17

Calendar

1952

16,17

Center Second (version 3)

1955

9,11,15,17

Center Second (version 4)

1957

19

Charm (women’s)

1957

?

Junior

1958

9,11,15,17

Deluxe

1958

19,21,23

Super Deluxe

1958

23,25

Alarm

1958

17,19,21

Master

1959

19

New Master (version 1)

1960

19,21

Homer (including New Master v.2)

1960

17,19,21

Dressy (women’s)

1960

?

Grace (women’s)

1960

?

Shine

1960

17

Ace

1961

21,23

Hi-Line

1961

23,25,27

Honey (women’s)

1961

?

Young Homer

1962

7,17

Homer Date

1962

17,19,21

Chronometer

1962

31

Diamond Flake

1962

25,31

Carol (women’s)

1963

21

High Look (women’s)

1963

21

Homer Weekly

1963

17

Super Hi-Line

1963

27

Hi-Line Date

1963

23

Super Ace

1963

23

Ace Date

1963

21

Excel (women’s)

1963

17,21

Excel Date (women’s)

1963

17,21

Super Hi-Ness (women’s)

1964

?

Nobility (women’s)

1964

?

Young Date / Leader Student

1964

7,17

Diamond Flake Date

1964

25

Date Flake

1964

22

Alarm (version 2 )/ Alarm date

1964

21

Seven

1964

23

Amur (women’s)

1965

?

Super Deluxe Date

1965

25

Young Date (version 2)

1965

17

Shine (version 2)

1967

17

Crystate

1967

21,22

Chrono Master

1967

22, 25

Record Master

1967

21

Chrono Master Chronometer

1968

22

Cosmostar (women’s)

1970

21

Citizen

1972

8,17

121 Responses to The Hand Winders

  1. Steve Hopkins says:

    Hi
    I have a handwind date/alarm with a serial 63-7033, the date identification is 90711911.
    Can you give me further information on this watch.
    It needs the ‘cover’ for the link to the lugs.

    Thank you

    • sweephand says:

      Hi Steve,
      I’m not sure if this is the correct model, but is yours like this one?:
      63-7033?

      These alarms were Citizen’s second version of their alarm model, both of which I believe used what was originally a Swiss design. The same design has since been used, until quite recently, by the (Russian) Poljot make. The first models used the 980/981 caliber and came with 17, 19 or 21 variants and were produced from 1958 to about 1967. They differed from yours in that they had a ‘cricket’ style case, i.e. they had an inner and outer case back, and had no date window. Some of the early models also used a central disk to set the alarm rather than a fourth hand, and these are very hard to find.

      The later models, as in your example, were first produced in 1964, and were probably made up to the mid 1970’s. These use the 3100/3102 version of the same base movement and had a date version, all with 21 jewels.

      There were a number of models made, some depth rated, and they also made a couple of ‘V2’ models later in the production run which had black cases and more colourful dials and alarm rings in keeping with 1970’s design trends.

      The movement is a hand winder of course, and is a pretty straightforward mechanism, with a separate winding spring for the alarm which is sounded via a small hammer – this vibrates agains a pin set into the case back. This means that the case back has to be fitted in a specific way, but there is a locating pin on the case to help do that correctly.

      Hope this is useful – if the model I’ve shown is not the right one, please let me know!

      Stephen

      • Rick says:

        Stephen, I have the Poljot watch you reference in your message above. It is the mens alarm, 18 jewels, no date, 4 hands, manual wind. It is stainless steel. The only number on the dial is the 12, which resembles a “12” on the mens Wittnauer watch. What is it worth and when was it made? I received as a gift long ago when someone went on vacation to Moscow. Centered on the bottom is reads “made in U S S R”

        • sweephand says:

          Hi Rick, nice to hear you have one of the Poljot alarms. I avoid giving valuations since there are many variables and the blog is really about sharing information to help collectors and owners. And in your case I don’t know enough about Poljot values anyway! You could try the Russian watches section of the WathUSeek Forum: http://forums.watchuseek.com/f10/ (obviously you’d have to register to post there). Also if you’ve not done so already, you could try searching for recently completed sales of your model on the internet, that can give a real idea of market value.

          Stpehen

  2. chemmy samudra says:

    hi sir, i need to know about citizen alarm date diver 1971 (?).. i need to know about the movement and any information around it..
    thanks for your information.
    best regards
    chemmy samudra

  3. sweephand says:

    Hi Chemmy, thanks for your question,

    a lot of my reply to Steve Hopkins (see above) will apply to your watch, which will be one of the second versions of Citizen’s alarm watch, using the 3100 movement. These were made from 1964 to around the middle of the 1970’s. They all had 21 jewels, beating at 18,000 beats per hour. The original movement was a Swiss design.

    The serial number on the case back will give you the production date – here’s a pic of mine as an example:

    The year is shown by the first three numbers in the serial number (on mine it’s 10831057), and since we know these watches were only produced in the late 1960’s to mid 1970’s, the year of production is 1971. The next two numbers – 08 – give the month of production, i.e. August. As far as I know the rest of the serial number tells us that it was the 31,057th of these to be made.

    Now, your model is interesting since it is the diver version. This is a rather rare piece and a nice one to have! Is it like this one:

    Regards,
    Stephen

    • chemmy samudra says:

      hai Stephen.. nice your share information… actually, I only have compelete body of Citizen alarm date diver (NOS) and now i am waiting the used movement from US.. the movement is 3102.. it is fit to the case? what is the different of 3100 and 3102? I will share the photo after I mount the movement to the watch.. 🙂

      cheers,
      Chemmy

      • sweephand says:

        Hi Chemmy, the movement should fit your case as far as I know. 3100 is the base movement, I believe 3102 is the date version – which I think is correct for your model. Looking forward to seeing pics of yours once you have put it all together 🙂

        Stephen

  4. Jay says:

    HI there
    My grandfather recented passed and left me one of his watches. It is a Citizen 17 Jewels. Also on the face in the bottom halve is written Water Protected / Unbreakable Spring / Shock Proof. On the back it says Citizen 1417 & the number in much smaller font 6090557.

    If you leave it too long it stops running – and then have to wind it up. So that why I guess it is a handwinder? And hence my post under this category.

    I am very keen to know more about this watch / history etc. It is the last thing I have of my Grandfather.

    Thanks
    Jay

    • sweephand says:

      Hi Jay,
      thanks for your question about your late grandfather’s watch. First of all, it is definitely a hand winder, and uses the ‘Homer’ 0200 movement, which was first produced in 1960. I presume it has no date ‘window’ – I’ve not seen one with this type of dial markings that has had a date window.

      I would think these watches were produced in the 1960’s and into the early 1970’s, probably for export rather than for the Japanese market. The serial number on the back – 6090557 – indicates it was made in September 1966, or it could even be 1976. I would think it’s more likely to be from the 1960’s though. The other number – 1417 – is probably the model number.

      Although I’ve not got an example of this type of ‘Homer’ in my collection, I have a couple of images for you to compare yours with (with due credit to the image owners):


      You can also see some more info about the Homers, including a photo of the movement, in one of my ‘Featured Watch’ posts here:
      https://sweep-hand.org/2012/02/23/this-weeks-featured-watch-23-the-homer/

      I hope this is of use and interest to you – it is good to have a memento of your grandfather and I can understand that you want ot know more about it.

      Regards,
      Stephen

      • Jay says:

        Thank you very much for the information. One of the photos you posted is very close:

        The only difference is that the face is more of a light champaign colour. I can not see for sure from your picture if teh glass cover on the face is the same but teh glass my granddad’s watch is very curved – much more than modern watches – it stands out almost 5mm.

        From what my uncle tells me, granddad got this watch in the sixties – so that holds with what you have said. Also what I didn’t mention before is that my Grandfather is South African. So it was definitly an export 🙂

        Thanks for the info.

  5. sweephand says:

    You’re welcome Jay, and I’m pleased the information is of some use. The glass on many vintage watches can stand out a lot from the case, it does mean you have to be careful not to knock them and end up with a chip or crack.

    All the best,
    Stephen

  6. Agung Pambudi says:

    Hi Stephen,
    I believe that your web is awesome. I am new in collecting citizen wrist watch and I somehow stuck to gather information and production detail about citizen wrist watch. I got all things to know about Seiko easily but the reality goes inverted when I face citizen wrist watch.

    By the way, I keep Citizen New Master as my first collection. This one is slightly different from the model that I’ve seen before (I’ve seen new master 21 jewels with magnifying date window). There is no magnifying date window and the dial is decorated by cross hair. These are the pictures


    The watch is now in shipment. I will have received the watch in the next two days. I hope the watch is in its original parts at all – The seller said it so. I am very keen to know more about this very first citizen I have. Thanks for the information you’d provide.

    • sweephand says:

      Hi Agung, thanks for your comments, much appreciated. Like you I found that information on vintage Seiko watches was fairly easy to find, but it was the opposite for Citizens – so I decided to try and fill the gaps a bit myself!

      Your Newmaster looks to be in nice condition – I’ve seen a few with this kind of dial and they are often in not very good condition. Yours is one of the later versions of the Newmaster, probably from the mid to late 1970’s or even early 1980’s. Citizen used the Newmaster name in the early 1960’s as well, when it had the ‘Homer’ 020 movement in it. Looking at the back on yours, it should have the 8260 movement in it as per the stamp on the back – this is the hand wind version of the 8200 automatic which became Citizen’s standard auto for 30 years. The other numbers are the model number – 53-1031 – and the case number – 4-820959 (hope I’ve read them properly!) It doesn’t have a serial number so we can’t say exactly when it was made. Might be worth checking the inside of the case back when you get it to see if it’s got a serial number inside.

      It would be great to see a pic of the movement once you’ve received the watch – I’ve not added this movement to the Movement Table yet, so to have a look at an authentic one would help me do that,

      Thanks for posting the pics,
      Regards,
      Stephen

  7. Stefan says:

    Hi Stephen
    I just bought my first vintage watch citizen new master.
    Seller told me that this watch is from 80. Serial no 63-4026 date 00400737. Is that true?
    Hi told me this leather strap is original. What you think? Made in Italy and no Citizen marks anywhere.
    I just start interesting old watches so my knowledge is really poor.
    There is a pics



    Regards
    Stefan

    • sweephand says:

      Hi Stefan – good to hear you are getting interested in old watches 🙂 The Newmaster you have bought looks to be in very nice condition, and it might very well be from 1980. It would be helpful to know whether the back is marked ‘water resistant’ or ‘parawater’ or ‘waterproof’. If it’s marked ‘resistant’ then it will be from 1980. If it’s marked ‘parawater’ or ‘proof’ then it will be from 1970 since Citizen stopped using these terms by about 1973.

      Stephen

      • Ade Gregg says:

        Its not the proper band, I have one here with a gold band!,

        • sweephand says:

          Hi Ade – thanks for your comment. Please let me know which watch you are referring to 🙂

          thanks, Stephen

          • Ade Gregg says:

            Whoops, The Newmaster one, Ive spent some time trying to find some answers to when this was manufactured and if I can get new ‘glass’ and have it resorted. Now Im a complete Novice when it comes to ‘aging’ these timepieces, But I Think it could be from the early 70’s. Was my grandfathers watch, so keen to get it cleaned up and perhaps ‘Re Golded”!

            Here are some images as my last post somehow the images got chopped off

            • sweephand says:

              Hi Ade – thanks for the clarification 🙂 I can’t give a part number for the glass, but a decent watch maker should be able to find a good quality modern replacement for it. Cases can be re-plated, but as I understand it they have to be prepared carefully, i.e. de-plated, first so that there is a smooth surface to cover without polishing the case excessively.

              Stephen

  8. Stefan says:

    Hi
    thanks for reply
    Its marked waterproof.
    What about strap?

    • sweephand says:

      Hi Stefan – sorry I forgot to mention the strap. I would have thought it would be marked ‘citizen’ if it were original, as would the buckle. And original leather straps are very unusual & hard to find. Thanks for confirming that watch is marked waterproof, which dates it to April 1970 🙂

      Stephen

  9. Stefan says:

    Hi
    Seller told me that is a original strap but i suppose that should be marked, anyway
    looks like new and working great .
    Thanks for help
    Regards
    Stefan

    • sweephand says:

      Hi Stefan – good to hear it’s running well. The ‘Homer’ movement in your Newmaster is a very good one and was used by Citizen for many years.

      Stephen

  10. chemmy Samudra says:

    Hi Stephen.. I interest about Homer.. Citizen produced some wristsatch using Homer mark on their movement. Do you know the stories behind Homer? It means class positioning or design model?

    Regards,
    Chemmy

  11. chemmy Samudra says:

    Hi Stephen… Thanks for sharing.. I found Homer mark on movement for New Master also.. What do you think about this: Homer was identity for design/class model or design/class movement? 🙂

    As we know, Citizen have numeral identity for their movement such as 1802, 3100, 6000, 5400, 6501, 7200, 8200 etc.. Some of them had Homer mark also..

    Again, thanks for sharing..

    Best regards,
    Chemmy

    • sweephand says:

      Hi Chemmy – it is rather confusing 🙂 The Homer was both a movement type and a model type. I think it started as a design class, if I understand what you mean correctly – so it first appeared as the Homer model, with a Homer movement, but soon was used in other models too, especially the Newmaster which I think was an export version of the original Homer. I think only two movements and their derivatives were Homers – the 0200/1/0270/1/2 and the 1800/1/2/1810/1830/1/1840/1 some or all of which might have the Homer stamp on their movements. The 02’s were the most basic models, whilst the 18’s had date and/or day complications. The 02 Family Tree shows the various models and how the base movement was used for other watches including high end stuff:

      http://homepage.ntlworld.com/stephen.netherwood/020HomerFamilyTreeV2Secure.pdf

      Stephen

  12. chemmy Samudra says:

    Hi Stephen..

    Yes, maybe at that time, Citizen didn’t have clear model hierarchy.. Event they have movement numeral hierarchy, Citizen still put Homer mark on their movement..

    Nice to share.. Today in my country is Monday, 8:54.. Good morning, it good to start the day!

    Chemmy

  13. Sigrid Salucop says:

    Hello I just had my late mom’s Citizen watch cleaned. Not sure how to find out more about it. At the back it has the serial no (?) 66-3026 Its a 21 jewel automatic, GP stainless back.

    • sweephand says:

      Hi Sigrid – 66-3026 is the model number, but this is not too helpful I’m afraid since Citizen’s model numbers don’t always tell us too much about the watch. Are there any other numbers on the back? A case number would be very useful, it will be in this format: 4-xxxxxx.

      Stephen

  14. Sigrid Salucop says:

    Hello thank you for responding. Here are the stuff written on the back

    66-3026
    CITIZEN
    GP STAINLESSBACK
    4-330081 S
    9080295

    I will post a photo of it in a few. Thank you

    • sweephand says:

      Hi Sigrid, thank you for the extra information and the photo. Although I haven’t got the exact model in my reference data, I do have other ladies watches which have model numbers like yours – 4-330xxx. They appear in the 1971 catalog, and are similar in size to yours, some are marked 21 jewels too, so I’m sure they use the same movement. There are also similar models in marketing material from 1969 & 1971 I have. From the retail prices at the time they are good quality watches.

      The first three digits of the serial number (9080295)gives us the date when the watch was made, so I reckon yours is from August 1969 – I don’t know if your mum had it from new, but if so does that date make sense?

      I hope this information is of some help – unfortunately ladies watches are not collected, so there’s very little information around about them.

      I’m sorry to hear that you have lost your mum, it is nice that you have her watch and that it is looking good after cleaning.

      Stephen

  15. Sigrid Salucop says:

    Hi Stephen,

    My dad gave this watch to my mom when they were young. The date doesnt make any sense though but what I know is that my dad’s mom liked watches and other jewelry stuff. My parents were 17 in 1969 -they were one of those kids who went to Beatles concerts lol. My dad probably got the watch from his mom -oh dear. I hope he told his mom about it. Thank you so much for the information. It means a lot.

  16. Steve Cary says:

    Hi. I just acquired an old hand wind ‘Special Citizen Center Second’ model which doesn’t exactly fit any of your models listed. I can supply photos. The movement has a low number of jewels, as I can only see two from the back of the movement. It is also only 22.9mm in diameter. The bridge says CITIZEN and by the balance wheel it has the number 36 or possibly 56. The dial has an inner track for the second hand and the hour hand falls inside that track while the minute hand goes all the way out to the Arabic numbers. It is gold plated with fancy lugs, all 12 numbers in gold with gold hands and bright blue second hand. The back is stainless steel and reads ‘CENTER SECOND |STAR| EVERBRIGHT BACK’.

    Case diameter 33mm crystal diameter 27mm and movement diameter around 22.9

    Anything you can reveal about the watch I would love to know. It is running and in decent condition. I can supply photos for you if you want. Thanks, Steve Cary in TX

    • sweephand says:

      Hi Steve, congrats on your acquisition. Yours sounds like it is one of the ‘Special Citizen’ models first produced in 1950 – see the sixth row in the above table. They had 8, 11, 16 or 17 jewels so you may have one with a lower jewel count. As a relatively early model, the movement wasn’t given a name or number and was probably only in production for a short while before being superseded by the 1952 centre second models. The width of the movement given in my references is 23.30mm. The case back on yours is marked in the typical way for that model. I’m not sure what the ’36’ or ’56’ is – some have the jewel count stamped on the movement and some have ‘3ADJ’ (i.e. three adjustments).

      It would be great to see a pic or two, especially of the movement to check that it is the 1950 version – you aren’t able to post an image directly here, but you can post a link if you have them uploaded somewhere. If not let me know and I can e-mail you and I can post them here if you send them to me, if you wish.

      Stephen

  17. Steve Cary says:

    I just published the photos of the old special citizen to my photo bucket account. See if you can view them. Steve

    http://m1006.photobucket.com/albums/gpsluvr/

    • sweephand says:

      Thanks for the link – it looks like the 1950 movement – here’s a pic for you to compare:

      And here’s an example with similar lugs:

      Nice to see one of these, not so many of the 1950s models appear.

      Stephen

  18. Al Gill says:

    Hi Steve,
    I have a Citizen 21 jewels that I bought with my first paycheque in 1968. The serial number is 90702564 model number 63-1232. The crystal is damaged and one of the stainless bracelet links is non-original. Could you direct me where to get it restored?
    Also, I want to buy a Walter Wolf F1 watch. Do you know where would be the best place to look? Ebay?
    Thank you
    Al Gill
    Edmonton Canada

    • sweephand says:

      Hi Al, thanks for visiting my blog – good to hear from someone who has owned a Citizen watch from new 🙂 The serial number on yours indicates production in July 1969, so could that be the year you bought it do you think? Sounds like yours has a ‘Homer’ hand winding movement in it – the 02 version if it is a plain dial, or the 18 version if it has a date window. Parts are generally not so easy to find for vintage Citizens, however if parts are required a ‘donor’ Homer movement will be relatively easily available since they have been produced in great numbers over the years. Assuming it is a standard round shape, it should be possible for a watchmaker to replace it with a new one without too much difficulty – I suspect finding an appropriate link for the bracelet will be more of a challenge though. Again finding a donor watch with original bracelet might be the answer. Have you any photos of the watch? Would be good to see it, if you can post a link that would be great (I’m afraid you can’t post a pic directly, only I am allowed to do that on the blog).

      Although I can’t recommend a restorer, a good local watchmaker should be able to service yours and replace the crystal.

      As to the Walter Wolf chronograph, it is a rare piece. I think I’ve seen two for sale on eBay over last couple of years – just got outbid on one of them in fact! I have seen a few more on Yahoo Japan, but buying from there is a bit more complicated since non-Japanese buyers need to go through a third party service to place bids and ship the item – this adds a fair bit to the cost. Let me know if you want more info on this and I can e-mail you.

      Stephen

  19. Al Gill says:

    Hi Stephen, You would be correct with the date…I graduated from school in 1968 and bought the watch very shortly thereafter….long time ago…..
    The movement is the 18 vesion with the date window. The movement is perfect, just the link on the bracelet is non standard (i had it torn off my arm in a motorcycle racing accident) and e crystal is scratched. I will look for a donor watch for parts. Sadly I have been unable to find a local decent watch repairer to do the work. THe watch has great sentimental value to me of course. I will post a pic as soon as I can.
    Thanks for the reply…
    Al

  20. Al Gill says:

    Stephen, I forgot to mention that I have a school teacher friend in Japan who would be more than willing to help us if we find a couple of WW watches…….
    Al

    • sweephand says:

      Hi Al,
      Great to hear your watch survived the racing spill! I’ll e-mail you later if that’s ok, with info about Yahoo Japan

      Stephen

  21. Pratik says:

    Hi Stephen,
    I recently came across a citizen watch with the cursive font that was used for citizen in the HMT-citizen watch that you have posted in the picture above.Below the citizen logo is written 17 jewels.The bottom of the dial (above the 6 o clock position) mentions water protected/unbreakable spring/shockproof.But there’s no mention of Japan/Japan movement anywhere on the dial.
    Did citizen ever make such watches?
    P.S.I was surprised especially with the cursive font for citizen until I came accross the HMT-citizen pic posted by you.

    Pratik

    • sweephand says:

      Hi Pratik, thanks for visiting my blog. The font is unusual on the HMT watch but Citizen used quite a variety of fonts especially in the 1950s and 1960s so it’s possible it was used on other models. I can’t recall at the moment whether or not I’ve seen that style on any others I’m afraid. Citizen certainly made watches marked like yours, but usually ‘Japan’ is found at the bottom of the dial. Could the dial have been refurbished do you think? Maybe it was corroded around the edge and has been touched up. If you have uploaded pics you can post a link here (but not any actual images).

      Stephen

  22. pratik says:

    Hi Stephen,
    Thank you for your reply.unfortunately i have no idea if the dial has been refurbished at any point of time.Maybe you’ll be able to comment on it after seeing the pic in the link below.

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/80813448@N06/

    Pratik

    • sweephand says:

      thanks for the link Pratik – I think that is an original dial. The hands may have been replaced – are they lumed? Lumed hands would normally go with a dial that had lumed spots on or next to the hour markers. The second hand has been painted by the looks of it – I would have thought it would have been plain steel originally. What is stamped on the case back? That often gives useful information 🙂

      Stephen

      • Pratik says:

        Hi Stephen,
        thank you for your insights.I guess the hands must have been changed at some point of time. I’m uploading the pics of the case-back and the movement below.Basically, the watch was lying unused with a friend and I chanced upon it quite by chance.As I said I was drawn to the watch mainly because of the font in which citizen was written on the dial. What surprises me is that most citizen homers either have the “homer” mentioned on the dial or if its an HMT citizen there’d be terms like para shock on the dial..this one seems to be unique.

        Just the cursive font citizen on a Homer..I’m not sure I’ve seen one before. I guess the case-back isn’t original..or is it?The beauty is it keeps accurate time!

        Please let me know what you think, I’m posting the links below.

        $T2eC16dHJG!FFm2LOjTuBSDjSt2JjQ~~60_3

        IMG_20130824_160105

        • sweephand says:

          Hi Pratik, thanks for the links to your pics of the movement and case back. What you have is a watch that was originally made for export, rather than for sale in Japan. I’ve found that the export models sometimes have less and different dial markings, and this can include what you would normally think is the model name. One example I can think of is some of the Seven Star models sold in Europe. They just had Citizen on the dial and a Seven Star logo above the 6 o’clock marker – ‘Seven Star’ was not printed on the dial at all.

          Stephen

          • Dianne Gill says:

            Please remove me from your distribution/email list. Thank you

            Sent from my iPad

            • sweephand says:

              Hi Dianne – I’m afraid I’m not able to remove you from e-mail distribution. However, I understand that you can unsubscribe from the blog – there should be a link at the bottonm of the e-mail you get from WordPress to allow you to do that.

              Stephen

  23. Edward Spiro says:

    Hello,
    I am new to all of this. I own a Citizen Alarm Date 21 jewel watch which needs servicing-the alarm goes off when the watch is tapped and it goes off sometimes when I am trying to set it. Where would be a good place to send my watch? I live in Queens N.Y.

    • sweephand says:

      Hi Edward, thanks for visiting my blog. Sorry to hear you have a problem with your alarm – I’ll see if any of my contacts on your side of the pond can recommend someone to look at your watch and get back to you as son as I can. Is the watch working itself running ok and keeping time?

      Stephen

  24. Edward Spiro says:

    Hi Stephen,
    Thanks for the quick reply. Yes, the watch is keeping good time. I know nothing about its history. Best to you, Ed

  25. Joe Montana says:

    Hi Stephen,
    thanks for your great page and your introduction for “reading” the back of my watch. I try to use it but at the end there is quite a question.
    The watch (Citizen Newmaster, 21 Jewels) was original from my grandpa with the following back:
    Citizen – Stainless Steel – Parawater
    CaseNr.: 4-020618 Y
    Ser.-Nr.: 11036905
    Model-Nr. 63-4018
    The clock hands and the hour marks glow in the dark an it is an hand winder (020-Homer?).
    It seems that the original glass is not really glass but some kind of plastic? Can it be?
    I think it must be from Okt. 1961 or 1971 because of the Parawater mark but I´m not sure.
    Can you help?
    Thanks

    • sweephand says:

      Hi Joe – glad to hear that you’ve found the blog page helpful. Your watch is from 1971 since the style of the model number on yours – 63-4018 – was introduced in the late 1960s. ‘Parawater’ was dropped around 1970, but there are examples of it still being used as late as 1973. You are right that it has the hand winding ‘Homer’ 02 movement, which is of course indicated by the case number (4020618).

      The ‘glass’ in these, as in the majority of similar watches, is indeed plastic and this is correct for this watch. One advantage of this is that it can easily be polished to removed marks and light scratches.

      Good to hear the your grand father originally bought the watch and that it has stayed in the family 🙂

      Stephen

      • Joe Montana says:

        Thank you Stephen for your reply. I only have two of this vintage Citizen ones, but I wear them every day and love them. It is nice that others have fun with such “custom” – Citizen watches, too. It is hard to find peoples interested in those japanese “custom” watches. The most vintage watch lovers I know are only fans of the expensive and deluxe brands. Thanks for your help and your great site. I watch it every week.
        Greetings, Joe

        • sweephand says:

          Thanks for your comments Joe, much appreciated. I agree that vintage Citizens deserve a lot more recognition for their design and quality, and it’s always good to hear from someone who is really enjoying them 🙂

          Stephen

  26. Joe Montana says:

    Hey Stephen,
    where is my reply from this morning? A Citizen Newmaster from 1961 or 1971.
    Have I made something wrong?
    Greetings,
    Joe

  27. russ engel says:

    Hi Sweephand, I recently purchased a vintage citizen. I just like the look of it , but wanted to know more. From reading your blog, the watch seems like a later ‘center second’ (6th maybe?). Kind of looks like homer/junior/master. Can’t be master because of jewel count. I just love the look of the watch and any info you could give me would be appreciated.

    Here is a link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/230937680040?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2648&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

    • sweephand says:

      Hi Russ, thanks for visiting my blog 🙂 The watch you’ve bought is a Center Second from 1956 or 1957 – the movement was first made in 1955 (‘Version 3’ in the hand winder table), but yours has shock protection (‘parashock’) which was introduced in April 1956 – the first Japanese watch to have this feature. These Center Seconds were also made with 9, 11 and 15 jewels, but only some of the 17 jewel ones had shock protection. Your parashock version retailed JPY5,460 in 1956/7. I believe these models were made up to 1957, but not after. Note the weights on the balance wheel – these and one 19 jewel 1957 model were the last to have that.

      Stephen

  28. Ajay Singh says:

    I have my dad’s watch with me it’s a Citizen handwind 21 jewels, and on back case it’s written 63-1019 & 9087000, so I want to know the original manufacturing year and look of the front dial, and he bought it in 1972

    • sweephand says:

      Hi Ajay, thanks for visiting my blog. Your Dad’s watch uses the ‘Homer’ hand winding 1801 movement with date complication. The model number (63-1019) means that it should have ‘Newmaster’ on the dial. Although the movement was first produced in 1962, the Newmasters are from the late 1960s / early 1970s, so your father’s recollection that he bought it in 1972 fits that time frame. The serial number indicates production in August 1969.

      An interesting issue about your father’s watch and others I have seen, is that these models all seem to have the same serial number. This is odd, but there is nothing to suggest they are not authentic, especially since you father remembers buying it when it was new. Do you know where he bought the watch?

  29. Kris7978 says:

    hi! I’ve recently bought a citizen watch in an antique shop. I have looked and looked but can not find anything about this particular watch. the dial says “citizen 17 jewels”. On the back case is written “Citizen G. P. Stainless steel back 1551 7090441” and the movement says “citizen 17 jewels” and “Japan Japan”.

    Can you help me found out which model this is?

    • sweephand says:

      Hi Kris, thanks for visiting my blog. Can I ask if there is another, 2 digit, number before ‘1551’ on the back? Also does it say ‘parawater’, waterproof’ or water resistant’ anywhere? Looking at the dial, is there a number at the bottom (under or to the side of the 6 o’clock marker)? You may need a magnifier to see it.

      Sorry my reply is all questions, but I’m struggling to identify it without some more info.

      Stephen

      • kris7978 says:

        Hi!

        You were right about something around the 6 o’clock marker, but it wasn’t numbers. it say “japan”. but after cleaning the dial this disappeared. I can’t find any numbers before “1551” but when i was looking with the magnifier i found another number one the back, it says “33676-1361594”.

        Here is som pics.

        https://www.dropbox.com/sh/d7ojq53xoqi855g/AADb2qqwe3qixZmgF0JjhxFoa

        /Kris

        • sweephand says:

          Hi Kris, thanks for the link to the pics – images make things a lot clearer 🙂 Just ‘Japan’ on the dial is not unusual, but sometimes a dial code is also used which can indicate the movement inside. The most helpful shot is of the movement, which shows this has the ‘Homer’ (02, no date) hand winding movement. This movement was first made in 1960, and was used in a variety of models, the ‘Homer’ being the most well known. Since your watch is marked ‘waterproof’ it was made before 1972/3 – this marking also indicates that it was made for export, since Japanese market models would be marked ‘parawater’. This also explains why the dial has no model name on it. Citizen often simplified the dial markings on their export models. Your watch is quite unusual since it is square in shape, and the ‘1551’ marking, which I would think is the model number, is not in the typical format, i.e. 12-3456. The other numbers you’ve found with the magnifier may be watch maker’s service marks if they seem to be have been engraved by hand. Finally, the first three digits in the serial number (709) indicate the watch was made in September 1967.

          Thanks again for posting the pics.
          Stephen

  30. tanurhan says:

    Hi I have an old Citizen as you can see down. Bu I don’t know its model number and other details.And I can not find how much its price about rare watch. Can you help me?

    [IMG]http://i60.tinypic.com/wgp155.jpg[/IMG]

    [IMG]http://i59.tinypic.com/e9jfkm.jpg[/IMG]

    • sweephand says:

      Hi Tanurhan, thanks for visiting my blog, and for posting the links to the photos. The markings on the case back give us information about the watch – the model number is 74-6355, and 4-167678 is the case number. Watches with similar numbers (model number beginning with ’74’ and case numbers with ‘4-16’) have the hand winding 51xx movements, which were first made around 1975. It is a small movement so it was used in women’s watches. If I am reading the serial number correctly this one was made in October 1979. The case material code – ‘CCP’ – indicates that it is chrome plated. You don’t see these watches very often, since they were ‘entry level’ models and most probably would be discarded after a few years rather than serviced / repaired and do have any great value.

      Stephen

  31. ridhwan says:

    i also have citizen newmaster 21 jewels, my grandfather give this watch as a gift to my father when my father pass in examination in high school around 1971 when my father 15 years old.
    who know the price now in year 2015?
    model no. 4-020618 SM 197010 63-4018

    • sweephand says:

      Thanks for visiting my blog. I avoid trying to give valuations, since there are many things which can affect the value of a watch. You should be able to get an idea of value by searching eBay for the same kind of model.

      Stephen

  32. Hello Stephen, interesting blog you got going…
    My mom left my daughter her ladies (what I think is) late 70’s or early 80’s watch.

    CITIZEN 19 JEWELS
    on the back
    65-4094
    CITIZEN
    WGP (I think White gold plate)
    SATINLESSBACK
    4-680120 S
    0110360 ( I think this is the serial number)

    I would like to know more about this model
    Thanks

    • sweephand says:

      Hi Eduardo, thanks for all the information from the case back of your daughter’s watch. The various numbers are:
      65-4094 – model number
      WGP – is indeed White Gold Plate
      4-680120 is the case number, and helps identify the movement, which is the 67/68. These are hand winding movements that run at 21,600 beats per hour.
      0110360 is the serial number, and we can get the year of production from this. However, we need to know which decade it was made in, so it gets a bit tricky. I’ve had a look at some catalogs and noticed that there are 4-68xxxx models in the 1971 catalog, but not any in the 1979 one. So this could mean that yours is from November 1970, which is the earliest possible date (they were not made in 1960). There are no 4-68xxxx models in the 1979 catalog, but there are a few in the 1977 and 1974 ones. Although this doesn’t mean it definitely isn’t from 1980, the 1970 date looks possible.

      Hope this helps,
      Stephen

      • Katharina says:

        Hi,

        I was just trying to find information about a watch I inhered from my grandma. It seems very similar to the one mentioned above. It’s also CITIZEN 19 JEWELS and the model is 65-4621. The case also starts with 4-68 and the serial number starts with 1. Would that mean it’s from 1971? Mainly, I am trying to find out how it runs (battery?, automatic?). It seems to go sometimes and sometimes not.

        Thanks in advance for any help you can provide!

        • sweephand says:

          Hi Katharina – thanks for visiting my blog. Your watch has the same movement described in the above post by Eduardo and my reply to him. It is a mechanical hand winding women’s watch, so no battery required, and you’re right that it is from 1971. Have you tried winding it? If not gently turn the winder (crown) forward and back – turning clockwise actually does the winding. If it seems to wind smoothly, giving it up to about 40 turns should wind it fully. If this does not get it going, then it will need attention, maybe just a service to clean it and lubricate it with new oil.

          Stephen

          • Katharina says:

            Hi Stephen,

            Thanks so much. It’s actually fine. I just had to wind it. I didn’t know I needed to do that. I never had such a watch before. How often does one have to wind such a watch? Every day?

            Thanks again!

            • sweephand says:

              You’re welcome – good to hear it’s running 🙂 Usual routine is to wind every morning – probably won’t need 40 turns though since the power reserve would normally be around 40 hours. So 25 or so turns each day should do it.

              Stephen

  33. Dear Sweephand,
    Can you give me some more information on this watch.
    citizen men master Model Number : 4-020618 y
    10947156
    63-4018.

    Thanks
    Rajesh Vasudevan

  34. KC says:

    Hi there Stephen!

    It’s a wonderful blog, but I think I’ve been stuck with a bit of a conundrum here.

    Here’s a link that details out my problem in greater detail. I hope I’m not breaking any rules by linking to WUS here: http://forums.watchuseek.com/f21/vintage-citizen-new-master-cant-find-anything-about-2111402.html

    Using your articles as a guide, I’ve found myself thoroughly confused. To start with, the word “waterproof” means it’s before 1970, so the serial number starting with a 9 means it’s most likely 1969/1959. The movement looks like a calibre 1800, but that only went into production in 1962. So that means it’s almost certainly from 1969. In fact, December 1969 if I’m reading it right. But my father says he received it in 1969, his brother in law bought it used from a local pawn shop.

    I think I’m safe in assuming that it would be impossible for a watch manufactured in December 1969 to have gotten to someone in Malaysia, pawned off, bought by his brother in law and gifted to him in the same year.

    So long story short, I’m perplexed. The only possible solution I can think of is that my father’s memory is failing him, and he received it later than that.

    I would be eternally grateful for any and all light that you could throw on this matter.

    KC

    • sweephand says:

      Hi KC, thanks for visiting my blog, and for your kind comments. Your conclusions about the production date of the watch are spot on. The serial number gives us a production year of ‘9’ – it can’t be 1959 since this movement (1800) wasn’t made then, and it can’t be 1989 either since ‘waterproof’ was phased out by 1973 or so, and this model would not have been made as late as that. So December 1969 is correct, and the other case markings and the dial design are entirely consistent with that date. I understand that this is perplexing – I guess the likeliest explanation is that your father received the watch a little later than he recalls. I don’t think that means his memory is failing – it is after all some 45 years ago, and I think many of us would easily get something a year or so out, I know I could (and have!) 🙂

      It’s great to see that you have got the watch up and running again for your father, the ‘Homer’ movement is very sound and reliable in good condition so it should be ok for a good few years more.

      Stephen

  35. Aron says:

    Hi Sweephand, Im Aron from the Philippines, my uncle gave me this Citizen Watch, it surely was from his times, but I don’t know any clue of what kind of Citizen Watch it is, it’s just the watch that he gave me, no boxes, manuals or any papers that would identify it. Wasn’t also able to ask him it’s specifications, too old to remember. Sadly, I don’t raelly know anything about it, and yet Im hooked up with it’s simplicity yet auring class. All i can give you is it’s looks, sadly can’t attached any photos in here, if so ever you have a Facebook Account, please do add me, my name is Aron Castillon, message me so that I can tell it’s you, thank you so much, I hope to have further talks with you!

    It’s Gold plated (if it’s how you call it), Black Faced, it say’s on top of the inside, CITIZEN AUTOMATIC, it also got Day/Date bar on its left side face (facing me), it’s Crown is on its side lower left, seemless, it seems to be protruded inside, it’s straps is bracketed if that’s the correct term, (I’m so clueless 😦 ), it got this ensignia kind alike of a mideavel one with wings ( Red and Gold), under it it says “21 Jewels Water Resist”, on it’s back “CITIZEN WATCH CO. WATCH RESIST BASE METAL VP 4-039335 RC 770319 GN-4W-S”

    I would really appreciate your help sweephand, this watch really got me hooked, now that I’m into simplicity with class type of watches, and somehow knowing it’s like a Vintage type of watches specially it’s a big brand got me really hooked up in knowing more about it!

    • Aron says:

      It’s Water Resist* sorry for the typo

      • sweephand says:

        Hi Aron – thanks for visiting my blog, and for your full description of your uncle’s watch. And you are not ‘clueless’, I can clearly understand what you have posted. You have what is known as an ‘Eagle 7’ automatic watch, which uses the 21 jewel 8200 movement first produced around 1975 or 1976. This movement was used for many years, over 30 in fact, so dating them can be difficult. Citizen introduced the Eagle 7’s (that’s the insignia you see on the dial) in the early 1980s and made them through the 1990s. The 8200 is a reliable one, and can run very accurately and for that reason it became Citizen’s workhorse automatic watch, later being made by their Miyota factory.

        The marks on the back are:
        YP (rather than VP), which stands for ‘Yellow Plate’ meaning it is a gold tone model.
        4-039335 RC is the case number, this would be used when it was being serviced to find parts if they were needed
        GN-4W-S is the case type, and indicates a water resistant design with a screw on case back
        770319 is the serial number, and the first two numbers give us the production date. The second ‘7’ is the month – so it was made in July. The first ‘7’ gives the year, which could mean 1987 or 1997. If your uncle owned if for some time, then 1987 is more likely.

        I found a pic on-line of the same model (4-039335) with a silver dial – is yours a black dialled version of this one? :

        There’s a bit more info on the 8200 movement here: https://sweep-hand.org/2013/01/27/the-8200-movement-citizens-standard-auto/

        Stephen

  36. al says:

    I have a weird citizen watch. I cannot find anything on it. On the back it has Mr Japan. 4-022734ka. The front is of hockey it has a hockey player going around the watch. It doesn’t have a second hand. The second hand moves around the outside of the watch. It has a #77 then it says world ice hockey across the middle. Than it says Tokyo at the bottom. The band is blue and says citizen18 all in all it has a weird color symbol. Can anyone tell me anything about this watch. I would really appreciate it. Thanks.

    • sweephand says:

      Hi Al, thanks for visiting my blog. Although I have never owned a watch like yours, I have seen a few offered for sale on Yahoo Japan that have the logos of hockey teams, and I think American football teams. The design of yours sounds unusual though – it would be good to see some pics 🙂 Unfortunately you can’t post photos here directly, but you can post a link to a hosting site like Photobucket. Or, I can email you and you could send to me for me to upload – just let me know here if you do. The case number on yours – 4-022734 – tells us that there is a ‘Homer’ 02 movement inside. These are solid hand wind movements first made in the early 1960s, and produced right through to the 1980s. I’m not sure when these special models were made, maybe the 1970s – I wondered if it might have been done for the 1977 world ice hockey championship, but that was held in Austria, and there was no Japanese team in it!

      Stephen

      • Adrian says:

        My email is ……. contact me and i can send you pics of this weird watch. Thanks.

        • sweephand says:

          Hi Adrian – thanks for visiting my blog. Email sent. I’ve edited out your email address since this is a public site and didn’t want you to get any spam. Stephen

  37. Lynette says:

    Hi I have a citizen watch 17 jewels U2501 7081366 I just want to know whitch year it is and wat is the value thanks

    • sweephand says:

      Hi Lynette, thanks for visiting my blog. The code ‘2501’ on your watch suggests it a version of the 2500 movement inside. This is a simple hand winding movement that was used in the 1970s, so I reckon yours is from August 1978. I’m afraid it will not have any great value.

      Stephen

  38. DAWN MCKIMM says:

    Hi I just bought a MEN’S CITIZEN SPORTS AUTOMATIC 21 JEWELS SELF WINDING MECHANICAL MOVEMENT CALIBRE 8200 BLACK DIAL can you tell me anything about it please

    Many thanks
    Dawn

    • sweephand says:

      Hi Dawn, thank you for visiting my blog, and apologies for my late reply. Can you please tell me what is stamped on the case back, and can you see if there is a number printed very small beneath the 6 o’clock marker? This information will help get the most accurate reply. Thanks, Stephen

  39. Hazel says:

    Hi, I have just purchased a vintage hand wound ladies citizen watch. It has an oval gold plated case and a part bangle style bracelet, the playing on the bracelet is almost completely gone. It has a gold face with date at 3 and gold batons the rest of way round. It has a few small scratches to crystal and shows some particles/marks to dial. The back the watch is stamped CITIZEN WATCH CO BASE METAL TOP 4-152786FS 84-6082 842866 GO
    It is working and with a replacement bracelet or a strap I’m looking forward to wearing it. I’d love any information you might have for two reasons, firstly I’m very interested in learning more and secondly I’d love to prove to my husband that I didn’t waste the money and did in fact get an absolute bargain!!

  40. Hisham says:

    In searching for more information on a watch that I had recently acquired I found this blogpost. The watch is a Newmaster 22 in very good state with original bracelet. It must have been from the end production run because the movement details are printed instead fo stamped on metal. Serial no suggested that the production year was 1982. It keeps accurate time and looks presentable after a good clean and a bit of polish on case and bracelet.

    Hazel, just an advice, if you are looking for vintage watch if possible go for stainless steel cased instead of those with base metal bezel. Base metal gets pitted and look less attractive over time. There are really two parts to a good watch to consider, the movement inside that runs the watch and the case that house it. These two will determines the general state of a watch and how long it can stand the test of time without much issue. Then again there are many options out there, have fun learning.

  41. Hisham says:

    Snagged another one today, Citizen Homer Date 17j, 1802 movement (1970). Apparently one guy has been hoarding these oldies for some years and now he has been letting go one or two at a time. Today he also brought out a Favre-Leuba Sea Chief in decent condition, would have taken that too have I not oredi own one. These handwinders/manual wind watches are growing on me. They feel so much better on wrist than their equivalent autos. Being where I am, I got it cheap. The price asked is not much more than the cost of a decent leather strap that will go on it. Pity there is no original bracelet, nor the crown & crystal original. Placing the Citizen next to Seiko Skyliner 6102 of the same vintage (1969) one can perhaps discern that case design and machining on a Citizen looks a little less fine. But then I have only two watches to compare. I am not a watch collector per se, in the near future I know that I will find a new home for these watches. I just feel a little apprehensive just because pretty few around here appreciate these pieces from horological history and give them their due services that they require so that they can keep ticking for some years yet. The pleasure in having these piece of history to me is to actually wear them and let their history lives on. Perhaps their second hands sweeps is not as refine as those on their ‘richer’ cousins with higher beat movements. On second thought, think I quite like the fact that the second hand on this particular Citizen Homer is wider than on its equivalent Seiko Skyliner! I dont have to squint to see it glides around the dial.

    • sweephand says:

      Hi Hisham – sorry about my slow reply. Thanks for your interesting comments. I often go for a simple hand winder – they do well what you want of a watch, telling the time, often very accurately and reliably. Stephen

  42. Kaley Peterson says:

    I have a citizen quarts seven it has 4 screws on the front with tiny screws about 2 inches down
    It dosent have any numbers has lines for numbers.can you help me on the value of this watch. On the back citizen wRest stainless 1400-282922 kt
    3090009
    AZ-1132
    GN-4-s

    • sweephand says:

      Hi Kaley, thanks for visiting my blog. I’ve removed your phone number from your comment since this is a public blog. I’m afraid I don’t do any valuations, since there are so many variables with watches. In general terms, used quartz watches don’t have a great deal of value since there have been so many of them produced, and the cost of the mass produced movements has come down such a lot. However, the 1400 movement in yours is a relatively early one, and was Citizen’s first to offer a longer battery life – 8 years I think – and may have a bit more value than average. Yours is from 1983. So, to get an idea of value try searching eBay for similar ones to yours, and you may get an idea. For info, here’s the relevant technical manual: http://www.thewatchsite.com/files/Citizen%20Technical%20Manuals/1400.pdf
      Stephen

  43. Juan says:

    Hello Stephen,
    I just found your site after looking at this vintage Citizen watch on Ebay and doing a “citizen vintage watch” google search, hope you dont mind. With that said, I really know nothing about vintage watches and would like a bit more information before I make an impulsive decision to buy it (it is a nice looking watch). I hope this is not extra work for you, I am simply a new watch enthusiast trying to learn, so any information you can share is greatly appreciated.

    Link for the watch is here:
    http://www.ebay.com/itm/Citizen-Made-In-Japan-Manual-Authentic-Vintage-Rare-Mens-Watch-c1960s-Nr44-/272430244790?hash=item3f6e1ba3b6:g:3wIAAOSwPc9WzeBg#viTabs_0

    • sweephand says:

      Hi Juan, thanks for visiting my site. No problem about asking for advice here – I will do what I can to help. The watch you are looking at, model number 63-1019, should look like this: https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-jscrShSptaM/TXJiw2uKlfI/AAAAAAAABD8/1WXnMmv4n1o/s400/IMG_0695.JPG It looks like the dial has been re-finished, and incorrectly – no Citizen piece would have ‘incabloc’ on the dial. The case has been heavily polished too by the look of it, and the price is far, far, far too high! This is a watch, and probably a seller, to avoid.

      I’m happy to advise if you see something you like – better to take advice first than to make an impulse buy at a hugely inflated price. Stephen

  44. Ramil says:

    Good day!
    Very informative Blog!
    I have a 1964 Citizen Homer Weekly HW 141301(Sn 40701446); 17 jewels, para40Mwater and parashock in the dial, bought from a local japanese thrift shop. It is my first hand winder watch. Do you have any idea how to wind properly? I’m afraid of overwinding it. To what winding direction; clockwise or counter clockwise? How do you adjust the date? Thank you in advance!

    • sweephand says:

      Hi Ramil – thanks for visiting my blog and for your kind comment. I hope Hisham’s reply (thanks Hisham!) covers what you need to know. Don’t hesitate to ask if you have any other questions. Stephen

  45. Hisham says:

    Nice find. Dont see many of those where I am. Winding direction is clockwise. One can feel the resistance increase as full wind is approaching. With power reserve of a little over 40 hours there really is no need to go full wind so that one can wind it at every start of the day.
    To advance the date one just adjust the hour backward and forward from the hour 8 till the date advance at around 12 hour mark. I have a Homer Date is I wear once in a while and I dont bother about setting the date. I would set it if I am going to wear is for more than a few days!

  46. Ramil says:

    thank you stephen and hisham

  47. Nazahar baharon says:

    Saya ada satu jam tangan citizen new master 63-1019 jika awak buat tawaran terbaik saya lepaskan pada anda.

  48. Saya ada satu jam tangan citizen new master 63-1019 jika awak buat tawaran terbaik saya lepaskan pada anda. Saya nak hantar gambar disini tidak tahu..
    Photo you can whatassp 012 7248666…

    • sweephand says:

      Hi, thank you for visiting my blog. Unfortunately Google translation isn’t making too good a job of translating! Is it possible to post in English?
      Stephen

  49. ViennaCalling says:

    Hi Stephen,
    hope you can help me with an information about woman Citizen W.G.P. watch, 21 jewel, numbers on the back are:
    4-670086- YO
    0085152
    66-4057
    thanks in advance!

    • sweephand says:

      Hi, thanks for visiting my blog. Your watch has the 6700 hand winding movement inside, which was made around 1980. They have 21 jewels and run at 21,600 beats per hour. I can’t tell you a great deal more about it, except that it was made in August 1980 (from the first three figures in the serial number).
      Stephen

  50. Peter says:

    Hi Stephen,
    you have a very good resource in this blog, Citizen are a great brand and the vintage models do not get the credibility they deserve. Anyhow, I am looking for some date info for a Parawater 0200 winding watch I came across recently. The back says PARAWATER CITIZEN STAINLESS STEEL around the outside, and in the middle, it says 0200 4-020502TA 20600362 66-4415. The dial says CITIZEN at the top and at the bottom it says 21 jewels Parawater Japan 0200 0270 59 KA
    cheers,
    Peter

    • sweephand says:

      Hi Peter, thanks for visiting my blog, and for your kind comments. Your watch is a hand winding model, with the 02 ‘Homer ‘ movement inside. Although this movement was first produced in 1960 and continued to around 1980, the style of the various markings on your watch indicate production around the end of the 1960s/early 1970s. ‘Parawater’ was dropped by 1973 or so, when ‘water resistant’ had to be used. The first three figures in the serial number – 20600362 – give a production date of June 1972.
      Stephen

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