The 67-9071 Chronograph Dials – Close Up & Personal

With many thanks to ‘Marty’, who sent me excellent macro shots, I’ve got some pics to share….and a question or two to ask🙂  First though, which watch are we looking at? It’s the 67-9071 model from the 1970s fly-back chronograph range, i.e. with the 8110A twin register movement. Sometimes referred to as a ‘monaco’ in style, the lower case is black coated alloy, with an angular steel  upper case. It’s not too common a watch, and to find one in good condition is difficult – mine is not so good, so Marty’s images of his two examples are very useful and welcome in exploring the finer detail. The 67-9071 came with two primary dial colours, green and gold. This is Marty’s green example:

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And this is the gold version (not Marty’s):

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There was also a gold version with white lettering – this is from a 1974 catalog so definition is not great – it’s hard to see colours on the sub-dials for example, but a great reference for the original strap:

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So let’s take a closer look. First the green dial – the textured finish on the main dial and sub-dials is nicely shown, with crisp printing:67-9071green3_zpszmsjmvsa

….and a clear dial code:67-9071green2_zpsmg6ijubr

When we look at the gold dialled example, we get to the questions:67-9071gold4_zps0a9if0zk

The printing is not quite as fine, and there is a slight gap in ‘chrono graph’ – that style can be found at least on one of the 8100 models though. Many of the finish and colours look very good, but there is less texture on the dial and sub-dials. 67-9071gold1_zpsh8llrzm6

Dial code looks good, but the font on the sub-dials is narrower than on the green one and gold reference example, and some of the numbers are positioned slightly further away from the sub-dial track: 67-9071gold2_zpskxjuewxy

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I have seen the exact same dial on another model, sold as ‘mint and original’:67-9071mintampstrap_zpsl6xa8st8

Well, it’s not mint, and either the applied Citizen logo or the printing looks to be slightly out of line, but is it original?  Marty and I have considered this issue, and at the moment we think it is more likely to be after market, but we’d like to hear from others, especially if you are an owner of one of these. What do you think……?

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Don’t have the shirt anymore….

….but I still have the watch🙂

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This is the 67-9038 from Citizen’s 1970s range of fly-back chronographs. Hard to find in good condition, got to be careful with this one:

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Twin Crown Diver from 1970

In the wider world, Citizen is maybe not so well known for its vintage mechanical watches, and particularly for their divers made from the mid 1960s and through the 1970s. Although there’s a page on this blog which describes the various divers (https://sweep-hand.org/citizens-vintage-divers-1962-to-1980/) there is sometimes a little detail or two to add. And with many thanks to Bill,  a visitor to my blog, I am able to add a little bit of information on Citizen’s twin crown range.

Rated at 100 meters, although not a ‘compressor’ diver  Citizen’s design has a similar look  – two crowns, one to wind and set the watch, and the other to move the inner rotating ring. As far as I know they were produced around 1968 to 1970, using the 5270 automatic movement, a variant of the 52 series of calibres first produced in 1965. This was a very successful family of movements, used in two of Citizen’s better known ranges, the Crystal Seven and Seven Star, as well as high end Chrono Masters and some less well known models – see here for a ‘family tree’: https://sweephand.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/52familytree-v2secure.pdf

Typical of its day, the movement runs at 18,000 beats per hour. The 5270 variant has 21 jewels with date / day complications, quick setting for the date only, and no ‘hacking’. Japanese domestic market models carry the ‘Seven Star’ and ‘parawater’ monikers whilst export models lose the model name and are marked ‘waterproof’.  There were several dial colours – black, blue, silver and red. And this brings us to Bill’s example – a nice example of the black version:

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The ‘Mercedes’ hour hand is typical of these, although occasionally they can be found with a straight hand. I’ve noticed that the inner rotating rings, turned by the upper crown, seem to wear very well, even on examples where+ the dial itself is poor. Note the dial code below the six o’clock marker – the presence of a correct dial code is a good sign of originality. Also note the radial brushing on the upper face of the case and well defined angles and curves, which show that the case has not been polished.

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The two crowns are identical, and are signed, with ‘CTZ’ on this example, or with ‘C’ on others. The case measures about 42mm across, and is comfortable on the wrist. The acrylic crystal sits high on the face of the watch:

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The screw down case back is typical of Citizen pieces from this era:

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Note that the back is stamped ‘parawater’ rather than proof – this is not that unusual and is not of concern when considering correctness. The case number – 4-520343 – is clearly marked, and the serial number (00321363) gives a production date of March 1970 – from the first three digits. And this brings us to the new piece of information: most of these models have the case number, but no model number, but on this one a model number is stamped on the back – 61-5111.  This is something I can add to the diver reference page.

Many thanks again to Bill for sharing his watch – all photos are his and should not be reproduced elsewhere without permission.

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Busy, busy, busy….

I realised today that it’s over month now since my last post! Although I’ve been trying to keep on top of my replies to comments, I haven’t done the same with posting. I shall try to up the posting rate, since I’ve still got a few watches to feature from my collection, as well as the Movement Table to update and I want to publish a guide to Citizen’s case material codes. Unfortunately grand parenthood and other family commitments demand time🙂  And those pesky Olympic Games came along and distracted me too.

So, a quick post now about how a nice but not particularly rare piece can be enhanced – namely finding something original to go with it. For example an original box, and / or papers is a very good way to improve the collectability of a watch. Having the original bracelet is of course always good news, but a much rarer addition is to find an original (usually leather) strap. These deteriorate relatively quickly so are usually disposed of and replaced over the years. So finding one in good condition is a real bonus – and although I always would want to wear watches rather than store them away in drawer, not wearing a good leather strap might be advised to keep it in top condition. Here’s an example on my Homer Railroad watch:

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Here’s a link for more info on the Railroad watch: https://sweep-hand.org/2012/03/26/this-weeks-featured-watch-28-the-homer-railroad-watch/

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Two-tone Orange Dialled 4-520858 (61-5773) 100m Parawater Diver

Following my last post on Citizen’s orange dialled export (‘waterproof’) 100m diver, Bert has kindly sent photos of his Parawater version of the same model – but with a two-tone dial:

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I have seen one or two other examples of this, with the same yellow raised chapter ring – I had wondered if the lighter colour is a result of UV fading since I didn’t have good images, but the colour appears solid, and Bert has looked at his close up and it looks very uniform:

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So this one does appear to be an original variant – I’d be interested in other comments before I add it to the Diver reference page. Many thanks to Bert for his pics – he also has the full orange version, so here they are side by side:

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Orange Dialled 4-520858 (61-5773) 100m Waterproof Diver

With many thanks to ‘Vlad’, I’ve just added images of his very nice 100m diver, from December 1969, to the diver reference page (https://sweep-hand.org/citizens-vintage-divers-1962-to-1980/).

Vlad kindly offered his images for the archive, and it is such a nice example I thought I’d also add a post about it here. Blue and orange dials were featured on the export models of this watch, and different shaped hands from the ‘Parawater’ versions were also used:

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The watch is in very good condition, especially the bezel insert which can get rather chipped and faded over the years:

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The case back is typical of its day, showing case (4-520858) and model (61-5773) numbers:

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Inside is the 21 jewel day and date 52 movement – the black rotor appears to be the standard type on these:

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Both the orange and blue dialled versions of this watch are quite rare, and I am grateful to Vlad for allowing his photos to be used here.

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Latest Speedy Restorations by Brian

After a holiday break, I’ve now added two more Speedy’s to Brian’s 67-9313 restoration page. One black dial, one white dial, they are both very nice and again showcase Brian’s skill in restoring these beauties:

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