Over the years Citizen have changed their watch case back markings, whilst they have also used special backs on their high grade watches and certain specific models. This page attempts to show the basic types and how to interpret the information that case backs give – often crucial to determining the authenticity of the watch. I’ll cover special case backs on a separate page.
After the very early models using the ‘F’ type movement, Citizen began to develop a wider model range and towards the end of the 1940s and particularly in the 1950s a number of models were in production. Each of these used various case designs, with different case materials, and the case back markings began to reflect this. I have identified three core formats, and I’ll show these in the following sections, along with some of the variants that can be found – one of the joys of this for the collector is the variety of case backs that occur as result.
The late 1950s also saw the introduction of serial numbers, which are very useful to us of course, because we can determine the date of production. More on that later.
Before covering the three basic designs, a word about the very early models. Little information is stamped on the back – typically it may relate only to the case back material:
I’ll provide more information on the early case backs in a ‘Featured Watch’ post on the Type F.
Acknowledgement – in order to get a uniform type of image and size, I have primarily used the Japanese Domestic Watch volumes as a source, I wish to give due acknowledgement and credit here.
Early Case Backs:
This section relates to watches made from around 1950 to the early 1960s. During that period Citizen’s watch production accelerated enormously, particularly with the success in the domestic Japanese market of the ‘Deluxe’ hand winder. An ever wider range of hand winding watches was produced, and in 1958 Citizen launched their first automatic, soon followed by the ‘Jet’ rotored automatics of the early 1960s. Not all watches had a serial number at this time, although sometimes they may be found stamped inside the case back.
Typically the early watches use snap / press on case backs, and case type markings therefore make their appearance on the ‘transitional’ and later formats.
And not all case backs carried all the markings – some were minimally stamped and very simple whilst some were decorated, often with scrolled engraved lines. After looking at a fully marked example, I’ll show some of the variations. Here’s an example from 1963, which carries all the information to be found at that time except water resistance – see the labels for their meaning:
1) ‘STAR’ – as far as I know this the mark of Citizen’s own case factory. It is found on watches from the 1940s through to the late 1960s.
2) ‘CGP’ – this is the Case Material Code – often this is an abbreviation, and is usually self-explanatory as in this example (Citizen Gold Plate). Some gold plated and especially gold filled watches specified the thickness of the gold, in microns. Gold filled watches were also marked to show the quality of the gold used, e.g ’14K’
3) ‘Stainless Back’ – the case back material is often stamped, particularly when the case is of a different material.
4) General & Specific Model Names – in this example the general model range is Homer, which is gleaned from the movement name. This watch has a day window only, and is therefore known as a Homer ‘Weekly’. Other models also use the Homer movement, so will carry their own model name, e.g. ‘Newmaster’. Model names on the case back are more common in the early models than later pieces.
5) Model ‘Number’ – this early type of model designation which included letters and numbers (straightforward in this example) was changed in the late 1960s to a two part numerical format, i.e. 12-3456
6) Serial Number – by 1963 the use of this type of serial number was well established – see later on in the page for information on serial numbers and production dates.
7) This example has no indication of water resistance – watches were increasingly marked ‘Parawater’ after 1958 when Citizen designed water proof cases for the first time. ‘Parawater’ continued until the early 1970s when it was replaced by ‘Water Resistant’.
Variants on this format often have less information than the above illustration. First are two Center Second models from the 1950s, one with an early ‘Everbright’ back – this may be an alloy back rather than stainless steel – and one showing a 40 micron 14K gold filled case, with number only model designation (NB: center second models used that name on the dial, but other models like the Master and Junior also had center second case backs like these):
Here’s an Ace Date with serial number, and a fully marked Alarm Date with decorative scrolling- note that this one also shows water resistance – ‘Parawater’:
This earlier alarm (left) has a ‘cricket’ type back (double skin with holes to help project the sound) whilst the first automatic from 1958 uses ‘water protected’ rather than ‘Parawater’. This has a screw on type back indicated by the indentations to locate a removal tool:
Transitional Case Backs:
I’ve called the next format ‘transitional’ because they use the layout of the later case backs whilst retaining the earlier model designations. More and more watches were using screw on backs and less were using the snap on type more typical of the early model ranges. Case design was also developing and other case types were emerging. Here is an example of a fully marked ‘transitional’ screw on back:
1) The back now has a circular outer ‘track’, with markings stamped around it and other information in the centre
2) The Model Number, or designation, is in the same style as the early format, usually a mix of letter and numbers
Here are some permutations – the Autodater 7 appears to be etched rather than stamped, and (unusually) has no serial number, whilst on the Crystal 7 the model symbol fills the centre:
These original illustrations are from a 1960s technical manual – the first shows the case type as ‘GN’ with different layouts:
And here are the same with ‘OR’ designations – the same type of cases, so ‘OR’ means the same as ‘GN’ as far as I know but is less commonly seen:
Note also that two case backs (see the two on the right in the above image) are marked with an encircled ‘x’. This means these cases are one piece that have to be opened through the glass, as on this Seven:
Later Case Backs:
The end of the 1960s saw the introduction of case numbers, distinct from the earlier combined model designation. Case numbers always start with the number ‘4’, followed by a dash and six other numbers i.e 4-123456. With the new case number system, a new model number format was also instigated: 12-3456.
The case number is often more useful than the model number, since it usually includes a reference to the movement in the watch. So for example, case number 4-520343 tells us that a movement from the ’52’ family is used.
Model names are not often seen on the back, but some now indicate the movement to be found inside – this is very helpful of course!
Here’s a typical example of a fully marked back:
1) I have not been able to determine the system, if any, for model numbers – they generally do not help to identify the movement used.
2) In the above example you can see how the case number relates very clearly to the movement (7200)
3) ‘STAR’ has now been dropped, and the manufacturer’s name is more prominent. Later watches have ‘Citizen Watch Co’ rather than just ‘Citizen’
As ever, there are variations on this theme – some models, I think only in the Seven Star range, have a ‘horseshoe’ track rather than a full circle, and some backs have no model information – the X8 Cosmotron on the right is marked ‘transistorized’ reflecting the application of new technology, but is not marked ‘parawater’ or ‘water resistant’:
Some backs are simpler, with no outer ‘track’ – the Cosmotron on the right below also has a different type of case / model combined number which uses the full movement designation as its first part; it’s also now marked ‘water resistant’ and ‘electronic’ rather than transistorized’:
The Seven Star on the left below has the case number in the outer track, echoing the ‘transitional’ format, and on the right a black coated Custom V2 also has a coated back (others had stainless steel backs):
Serial Numbers and Production Dates:
Dating a vintage Citizen watch is relatively straightforward when it has a serial number on the case back. The key is knowing which decade the watch was produced in, and the Movement Table is useful for determining that.
The first three numbers in the serial are used for the date – the first number is the year. So, using the Seven Star pictured above left as an example, with a serial number of 90203597, the first number of the serial is ‘9‘ indicates the year. But which decade is it from?
The ‘Parawater’ designation means that the watch was not produced later than about 1973. The case number – 4-520068 – is in the later format, and the ’52’ movements were first made in 1965 so the watch cannot be earlier than the late 1960s. We can safely conclude from this that the watch was made in 1969.
The month is easier since Citizen used the second and third numbers in the serial to represent the month – 02 on this one means production in February.
Hopefully the information to be found on this blog will allow accurate dating of watches, but please ask if you want to check anything out, especially if your watch has no serial number or was produced across more than one decade.
A Note About Export Models:
Identifying Citizen’s many models can sometimes be challenging – and it’s made more so when the watch appears not to carry the expected model markings. At first it seems that the watch might be a fake or a re-dial – and sometimes this may of course be true! But it’s worth knowing that as early as the 1960s Citizen was exporting watches well beyond the Japanese domestic market, and sometimes their watches are marked differently. What I’ve noticed is that usually the model name is dropped from the dial. For example, here are two auto-daters that would normally carry the ‘540’ or ‘520’ name below the 12 0’clock marker:
As you can see from these two, they carry the ‘Waterproof’ mark rather than ‘Parawater’, and ‘Shockproof’ rather than ‘Parashock’, another indication that these were for export.:
The 02 ‘Homer’ movement was often used in export models, and it’s not unusual to see this type of dial, marked ‘water protected’ (a lower level of protection than waterproof) and ‘unbreakable spring’ :
Here’s a woman’s watch marked in a similar way, this time with a 1910 movement, from 1967 – this movement was used in the ‘Excel’ watches sold in Japan :
The back carries lots of information!:
The situation gets more complicated further by the use of a different model name. In this example, with thanks to Pete in New Zealand for sending the pics, an automatic with the 5470 movement usually seen in the ‘Crystal Date’ is given the ‘Newmaster’ moniker:
Again the back is marked waterproof, whilst the case number is consistent with the movement inside:
Citizen used the ‘Newmaster’ name across a range of automatic and hand winding models – most frequently it’s seen on the early 1970s hand winders with ‘Homer’ movements.
Finally, one model name that I think has been used only on export models is ‘Super King’. I’ve seen it with a Jet auto as well as the 52 & 54 movements. As far as I know, so far at least, this wasn’t a model sold on the Japanese domestic market:
Great work Stephen. Thanks a lot for this fantastic resource
Thanks Reto 🙂
Hey would you be able to give me any info on this watch
I would be gratefull is i could just let my granny know plz
Thank u so much
hi there i have been given a cutlass 17 jewels parashock from my father on the back it says csp cutlass 4-020294-k under that it has 010001592 in smaller writing and under that it has63-5618. the face says cutlass 17 jewels parashock. japan 6025943y. the watch is a wind up and is in working order ,i cant find any info about the watch,would you know anything about it.the watch doesnt say citizen on it anywhere.thanks
Hi Ross, thanks for visiting my blog. The case number (4-020294) indicates that yours has a ‘Homer’ movement in it, which is confirmed by it being a hand winder. I presume it has a plain dial, with no date window? With that type of case number and model number (63-5618) combined with ‘parashock’ I’d guess it’s from October 1970 (from first three numbers in the serial # – 010001592). Is the dial marked ‘Citizen’ as well as Cutlass – or just Cutlass? I ask because the Citizen Cutlass of the late 1960s is a mid to high grade automatic. I’d be interested to see a pic of yours if that’s possible,
Thank you for the information on the watch,i have attached a couple of pics,i plan on getting the watch cleaned up and get a new strap,do u know what kind of strap would have been on it and where i could purchase one,i was hoping to get the watch back to its original form.thank u again for taking the time to reply to me.Ross
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Hi Ross – unfortunately you can’t post pics directly. If you can upload them to somewhere like photobucket you can post a link. Failing that I can e-mail you and you can send them to me – let me know if you want me to do that.
Stephen, great resource you have here! I normally collect Movados, travel watches, and art deco stuff. But I saw this art deco looking watch on eBay that was the oldest Citzen wire lug watch I ever saw and no one was bidding. So I thought you might get a treat out of seeing the restorable antique. Got it for a low price. Movement clean and I had it running and purring along in 10 minutes. Pics show dial discolored, crystal missing but everything else is nice. Movement is blank other than a 42 stamped adjacent to the balance bridge on a tongue right before the escapement. Strange pinkish balance wheel jewel, no jewels on other gears, and jewels on double roller pallets are jet black. Back of case stamped from top to bottom with the following 4 designators : M (inside square), STAR (inside square), 27286, EVERBRIGHT BACK. Nice old leather band with buckle strap for the wire lugs.
You might want to see the movement naturally, but the guy selling it didn’t bother to open it and take a pic. Hahaha!
I have no idea. M for Military? 42 for manufacture date? Seller found it in an estate in Kentucky.
Hi Mike, thanks for visiting my blog and for your kind comments. I’m pretty sure that your watch has the initial ‘F-type’ movement, which was Citizen’s first wrist watch movement launched in 1931. Does the movement look like this:
The design was soon updated so I think it was probably made no later than 1935 or thereabouts. The style of the dial, with the red 24 hour numerals is suggestive of a military watch – ‘STAR’ is the case factory name and along with ‘EVERBRIGHT BACK’ is typically found on these early watches. I’ve not seen ‘M’ before so this is possibly a ‘military’ reference. Serial numbers were not used on these, so along with ‘M’ I’m thinking 27286 may be a military issue number.
Here is a little more information on the F-type movement: https://sweep-hand.org/2013/05/07/citizens-first-wrist-watch-movement/
Stephen, thank you very much for looking at this. Yes, it is a type F, although the one you pictured was a tiny bit different. Mine has black pallet jewels and that “42” stamped on the base between the balance wheel and main bridge. When I get it cleaned up and restored, I’ll send you pictures of the movement. As for military issue, it is still a bit of a mystery, but looking in other places found a little more evidence. While Seikosha was supplier to the Imperial Japanese Army and Navy in WWII, in prewar (to us) Japan in the 1930s, Japan had a huge army in Manchuria, the Kwantung Army. Conflicts with the Chinese and Soviets. They appeared to have both Seikosha and Citizen pocket watches. Maybe the same with the early wristwatches.
The pictures of Japanese Army with wristwatches from the 30s and 40s I found show only Seikoshas if the detail is fine enough to make out whose watch it is…but they had the same leather strap design. Wide horsehide, with a separate smaller buckled strap to hold the wristwatch. And the dials of many show a 24 hour clock, “military time”, as many of the Swiss made watches issued to the military also did.
I found an article, no doubt one you have already seen, on the early development of Citizen watches, including the Model F, which they say was a copy of a Mido movement and it’s production period.
I hope there is something in this or my original post that you or followers of your blog found interesting or enjoyable. My guess is that this Citizen watch will be very appreciated by a Japanese military watch collector which I am not (Though I love the history of some things), and possibly the finely preserved strap will be a collector’s joy as well.. And it’s fun to speculate on how it ended up almost unused to judge from the strap and no wear on the case, and if it is a war souvenir of some now departed soldier…Dial may just have been oxidized and dirtied up exposed when the crystal broke..
Hi Mike – thank you for your contribution, it’s very much appreciated. There’s very little, if any, information about vintage citizens let alone the very early ones, so it’s interesting to try and find out for ourselves! I suspect the knowledge of the military models is most likely confined to Japanese collectors. I do know the Donze article which sheds some light on Citizen’s early production and how Swiss know-how was used. I don’t know if you’ve seen my page on Citizen’s first auto, but my research on that led to some intriguing findings: https://sweep-hand.org/the-citizen-auto-1958/
Hi stephen my names ali I was going threw my late grandads things and come a across a citizen watch ,I was wondering if you could tell me how old it is or if ìts important enough to keep its a citizen 17 jewels watch on bottom its says waterprotected , unbreakable spring, parashock and on the back its got written g.p CITIZEN 4-0200073 c water protected 01200966 and 63-5545 on the bottom. I would be helpful if you could help me and tell me something about its history and if I should get it appraised and valued?
Thanks for visiting my blog, and apologies for my slow reply. Your watch is an export version of the ‘Homer’, which uses the 02 movement first made in 1962. The use of ‘water protected’ etc., and no model name on the dial indicates it was made for export rather than the Japanese domestic market. The 02 movement is also indicated by the case number – 4-0200073 – and the ’63 model number is also typical of these models. the first three figures in the serial number (01200966) tell us it was made in January 1970. More info on the Homer / 02 movement here: https://sweep-hand.org/2012/02/23/this-weeks-featured-watch-23-the-homer/
I’m afraid these models are not great value – they are good quality and reliable movements, but they are not ‘high end’ so they are not as sought after as other models might be. Stephen
Hi, I have just acquired the same model but with a later serial number could you give me a date of manufacture please? The serial is 20701292. Thanks in advance.
Hi Mark, thanks for visiting my blog. Can you please confirm which model it is – thanks, Stephen
Hi yes, sorry, it is exactly the same as the one I made the comment about, cutlass 4-020294-k but with a later serial number. cheers Mark.
Hi Mark, thanks for confirming the model. Yours is from July 1972 (‘207’ at the start of the serial number). Stephen
Thanks for that Stephen, you have been a great help. I am going to put it away for my Grandson, who is nearly 2 year old at the moment.
Again thank you!
You’re welcome Mark – and what a nice idea to keep it for your grandson 🙂 Stephen
Could please tell me which year this watch is from
Hi Srinidhi, thanks for visiting my blog. 8200 automatics are difficult to date since they were made for many years. If yours is an ‘Eagle 7’ model yours could be from 1989 since they were introduced in the early 1980s. However, there’s a chance it could be 1979, since production date is November of that year so it could be an early Eagle 7. Stephen
Hi need info on water resist stainless 4-039203HST GN-4w-s there is another number 5D4285
Hi Maxine, apologies for the delay in replying, been busy with no-watch things and internet problems which are now resolved. I think your watch is a 21 jewel automatic, probably an ‘Eagle 7’ with the 8200 movement inside. The serial number (5D4285) is a leter style so it’s probably from 1995. More on the 8200 here: https://sweep-hand.org/2013/01/27/the-8200-movement-citizens-standard-auto/
I brought this Citizen watch.The numbers on the back are;
EO 8066441 HSW
I need some band links to make it larger.
Can u please help.
Hi Julia, sorry but I can’t help on this one. I think your watch is an eco-drive and I don’t have info on those since they are more recent than my collection and reference material
The marks on back case: 4-810040 Y / 00922019 / 60-3031. Any information about this Citizen Cosmotron? Thaks
Hi Predrag, thanks for visiting my blog. Your watch is an X8 Cosmotron with the 0840 (no date) 12 jewel movement running at 21.600 beats per hour. The serial number (00922019) gives a production date of September 1970. Lots of info on the Cosmotrons is here: https://sweep-hand.org/the-x8-cosmotron/
Hi Stephen, The Star Watch Case company was an american company , which survived up until the late 70’s so I wonder if they were supplying Citizen then ?.
Hi David – this is an interesting point; why ‘STAR’ was used on the cases puzzled me for quite a while. I emailed Citizen Japan about this, but got no response at all….However, after more research I found a reference that may explain this. Although first I should also say that I looked at whether the American ‘Star Watch Case Company’ might have supplied Citizen – I can find absolutely no reference to a contract of this kind anywhere, and I’m sure there would be if it had taken place.
But I have found a reference to a company called ‘Star Shokai’, which was originally set up in Japan to import Swiss Mido watches. Citizen took over this company in 1932. And before that time, in the early 1900s, there was a history of cases being made in Japan into Swiss movements were fitted. So my conclusion is that it’s most likely the ‘STAR’ related to this and the development of Citizen as a company when a number of business interests merged to create it in the first place.
Addendum: After writing this I did a bit more searching in my reference stuff and found this statement in a summary history of the Citizen Watch Co.: 1932 Citizen merges with the watch case factory Star Shokai
I have a watch that I cannot find on your site. The back is similar in some respects, but different from any that I can find.
It has 18K GP on the side of the case behind a band pin, and on the Back, it says Star, Citizen Auto Dater, CGP, Para Water,
The front reads in Spanish, with Citizen Auto Dater, 25, 7 and Para Water
The case number is ADSG 51302-SA and the serial # is 6110093
It is a self winding watch and the width of the crystal is 1 1/4 inches.
Can you please tell me what I have? It is obviously used, but I really like the look and feel of it.
Hi George, thanks for visiting my blog. The case back page is a guide to understanding and interpreting the marks typically found on vintage case backs, so looking for ‘similar’ is a good starting point since it’s not possible to show all the permutations and models. Yours has what I call the ‘transitional’ type of case back, using the earlier style of model designation – ADSG 51302. This doesn’t indicate the movement used in the watch, unlike many of the later style backs. The letters are an abbreviated description though which is quite helpful – AD = Autodater, S = Seven (I think), and G = gold for the type of case finish. One of the case backs I show has a similar model designation – ADSS 51307. Since this one has a steel case it is ADSS rather than ADSG:
This code tells me that your watch is on of the Autodater Seven range – these used the 4101 ‘Jet’ movement, the second and last of its type as Citizen moved to more conventional swinging weight rotors. I have an example using the same 25 jewel movement as yours, see here:
The November 1966 production date your serial number gives is spot on for this model – they were first made in 1964 and were produced for a couple of years.
Once you’ve had a look at my example, it would be good if you could let me know what, if any, differences there are between it and yours. It’s always helpful to compare and note different permutations. For example yours may have been made for export since it has a Spanish day wheel so there may be differences from those made for the Japanese domestic market.
Photos are always good of course 🙂 If you have any you would be happy to share you can post a link here (you can;’t post an image directly though), or I can email you so you can send them to me to post if you prefer – just let me know here.
I will be glad to take some photos and send them to you, so please email me. I hope that I can get photos as good as yours.
thanks for the photos George – I’ll upload ’em tomorrow
Here is the back of George’s watch – it is of the ‘transitional’ type, with the early type of case model ‘number’, but the layout is a little different within the circular ‘track’:
Given this has a Spanish day wheel, and the dial isn’t marked ’40m’, and the back is a little different I reckon this is an export model. Here’s the dial:
Nice photos George, thanks again 🙂
I have a watch that was given to me that looks like this one. The day that is showing now is Mier. The front & back is identical to this one. The back of the watch says S.S. and across to the other side says STAR. It also says ADSS 51302-Y under that is 6120231
Citizen auto dater para water with a 7 in the center like the one above.
It is in great working order. It winds up for power. I haven’t any clue what it is, it’s value. Other than a few surface scratches the face is in great condition. It appears to have the original watch band. I took it in to a vintage watch and jewelry dealer and they had no clue what this was. They couldn’t find it in their “book”. Any information you are wiling to share is greatly appreciated. Where would I take it to be appraised? Is it worth getting appraised?
Hi Helen, thanks for visiting my blog 🙂 Great to hear that you have an Auto Dater 7 – these were made in the mid 1960s. The serial number on yours (6120231) gives a production date of December 1966. ‘STAR’ refers to the factory where the case was made, and ‘ADSS 51302-Y’ is the model name and number – ADSS = Auto Dater Seven Steel whilst 51302 is the case number which a watch maker would use when servicing the watch / replacing parts. The older Citizen mechanical watches are not that well known, outside Japan at least, and there are relatively few collectors of them. The lack of information about them led me to do a lot of research myself and then start this blog, since it was very hard to find information. So I suppose it’s not that surprising that the dealer you went to didn’t know about it. Your watch should have a ‘Jet’ automatic movement inside, which Citizen used in the early to mid 1960s. More info can be found here, where you can see the Auto Dater 7 models listed: https://sweep-hand.org/the-jet-automatic/
I’m afraid I avoid giving my opinion on value, since many factors affect it. Generally speaking, although not of great value, a vintage Auto Dater Seven in good condition and working correctly, especially in stainless steel (which generally is preferred to gold plate), will be of interest if offered for sale on eBay for example. If you are thinking of selling that way then good photos and a full description will help and it might come to the attention of collectors who do know about these watches. For an idea of what it might sell for, try a search in eBay of ‘vintage citizen auto dater seven’ – if you include ‘completed listings’ in an advanced search you should find a few examples that are similar to yours.
Thank you for all of your help. It’s much appreciated.
You’re welcome 🙂
Hi there,that would be fine for you to email me and i will send those pics.thanks
Thanks for the pics Ross:) Here’s the watch:
Hi Stephen, hope you can help me determine the manufacture date of this watch. This is a hand me down from my deceased grandfather. Ive attached pictures below for reference. Appreciate any help from you. Cheers!
Hi Elmo, thanks for visiting my blog. I’m less familiar with the later quartz models than with Citizen’s vintage mechanical watches. There have been so many quartz watches made that it is difficult to find information about them and when they were made. My best guess, after a bit of research, is that yours – with the 6031 movement – is from the the late 1980s. The serial number gives us a likely production date of March 1989. Do you think that would fit with when your grandfather may have bought the watch?
Here’s a link to the relevant technical manual: http://www.watchuseek.com/archive/seikocitizen/Citizen_Technical_Manuals/6031.pdf
Hi Stephen, appreciate your help. Was very helpful as it made my mom remember when and where it was bought. Thank you and more power!
You’re welcome Elmo – good to hear it was of some help,
I have a citizen watch with this on the back:
CITIZEN WATCH CO.
BASE METAL YP
(That last line is an arrow pointing right toward the letter S)
Don’t know anything about this but see that you do. Whatever you can tell me about this watch will be apprieciated.
Thanks for visiting my blog. Apologies for my late reply. I’m afraid I’m not so familiar with the more recent quartz models so I can’t tell you a great deal about your watch. I would think it was made in the 1990s, and the serial number indicates December 1991. I doubt it would be as recent as 2001. Here’s a link to the technical manual for the watch: http://www.watchuseek.com/archive/seikocitizen/Citizen_Technical_Manuals/6031.pdf
Could you help me find out how much my watch is worth? I got it as a gift for graduation from nursing school in 1980’S back says citizen 2030-941021smw. 4018151. 31-8881 or tell me how to find it? I have worn it since it was given to me. Thanks!! Mary
Hi Mary, thanks for visiting my blog and apologies for my slow reply. I’m afraid I don’t know the quartz models very well, but in general terms quartz do not have great value. To get an idea, I would advise searching eBay for sales of Citizen 2030 watches. Stephen
Thanks for your input. I am completely clueless as to even what “Base Metal YP” means, so having info on the watch is helpful. I was pretty sure it was not an old watch, but did not know about what the metals were used in its manufacture (as it LOOKS like gold on the outside). : )
I will certainly look at the manual!
Also wanted to make the call as to whether to take it in for repairs as it doesn’t run, and didn’t want to spend a lot on a watch with no value whatsoever. Not sure from your reply or the manual what this watch might be worth, but am guessing a battery powered quartz watch from the 90s probably isn’t a great find. Again, thanks!
Sorry I should have said in my first reply that ‘Base Metal YP’ means that the case is made of an alloy that is then plated. YP means yellow plate which is gold coloured, sometimes called ‘gold tone’. I’m afraid it will not be of any great value.
Great information on the casing. I am seeking your help to identify my watch. I recently possessed a boy or lady size citizen alarm watch with an interesting blue rotating bezel. On the case, it has the transitional markings. At the centre, it is stated “Citizen Alarm” 81001832. Can you determine the year of production? Many thanks in advance
Hi Joe, thanks for visiting my blog, and glad that you have found the information here useful. The alarm model you have is rather nice and not often seen – from the first three digits of the serial number we get a production date of October 1968. Is it a plain dial (i.e. no date window) and 17 jewels? Some of these smaller models have ‘Lady Alarm’ or ‘College Alarm’ on the dial indicating the target market. Here are three examples from internet auctions, (credit for pics to the sellers):
Thanks for the quick response. You are correct. The dial is plain without date window, label as “lady alarm” at top and “17 Citizen” at bottom. Exactly the same watch per your second picture except mine is a black dial. Are such watches common? How are they compare to the later alarm date model?
Again, thanks for sharing. Appreciated
Hi Joe – you’re welcome 🙂 These are pretty rare, I’ve only seen a few for sale. There is a man’s diver style alarm with date that’s also rare and sought after. A lot of collectors go for divers, even when the last thing you’d do with them is dive! Gents watches are collected far more, but the Lady Alarm will attract interest. The white dialled one (in my previous comment) recently sold on eBay for about USD220 I think. The movement in yours and the alarm date are the same as far as I know, just the date mechanism added and the date models always have 21 jewels. Yours is the 9800 movement, first produced in 1958, whilst the date version is the 3100 launched in 1964. The movement is actually a Swiss design, and after Citizen finished with it, it was taken up by Poljot (a Russian manufacturer)in the 1980s.
Hi Stephen, Need you help again. I recently found a Citizen Quartz Alarm watch but I am not familiar with the model. Will like to tap into your knowledge and vast experiences for opinions. Grateful if you can assist. Many thanks in advance
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Hi Seethiamhuat, sorry I’m a bit late responding – I’ll try and help 🙂 Can you let me know what is on the case back, and if possible what are the numbers at the bottom of the dial?
Thanks for helping. The back of the case shows 6070-S46454. Do you think it is an uncommon model? What’s your thought?
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Hi Seethiamhuat – thanks for the additional info. I’ll try and get a reply posted tomorrow night,
Hi Seethiamhuat, I’m not so familiar with the quartz models, and I’ve not found much on the 6070 alarm model, which suggests there aren’t too many around these days. I did at least find the instruction manual!:
Click to access 6070.pdf
hi I have my late granddads parawater automatic s.s.gn.3.s watch 4-52013174
on the face it says citizen seven star deluxe 7 25 jewels and has a day window and also another small window that says either ons or dns could you please tell me were and when it was made if possible he was in the merchant navy and I would love to find out a bit more about it
Hi Vickie, thanks for visiting my blog. Good to hear you have your grand father’s watch 🙂 I’ve got a couple of questions from the info you’ve given to try and clarify which model it is – first the case number should be a ‘4’ followed by 6 other numbers and then maybe a letter or two, so do you think yours could be 4-520131 TA? Second, is it definitely 25 jewels? I’m a bit puzzled since at the moment the info from the case back doesn’t seem to fit what is on the dial, although I’m always learning new things about vintage Citizens! Do you have any photos of the watch? If so you can’t post them here directly unfortunately but you could post a link to somewhere like Photobucket, or I can email you and you can send them to me (no need to post your email address since I can see addresses when a comment is posted).
Is the ‘day’ window showing the date? If so the other one with three letters will show the day of the week – not sure what language it is though.
One more question I’m afraid (sorry for all the questions!) – can you see a small set of numbers at the bottom of the dial, under or at the side of the 6 o’clock marker? You may need a magnifier to read it, but this is the dial code which can be very helpful in identifying a watch.
Hello. I am trying to find out about a watch I found. On the case it says;
Citizen Watch Co
I would appreciate any information you can provide.
Hi Mark, thanks for visiting my blog 🙂 The case number (4-S80971) with ‘S’ in it suggests to me that it might be more recent than the vintage watches I’m more familiar with. I can’t determine the movement from this information Can you please tell me what is on the dial, and particularly if there is a dial code that you can read – this will be a small number near the 6 o’clock marker – you may need a magnifier to read it though!
Hi! Happy to have discovered this website.
I’m trying to identify this watch, i found it in my father collection. Serial number is 6031-S13572-SMW And 9104636. It says Citizen Quartz and there is another serial on the front case, take a look here https://www.flickr.com/photos/anthonyborriello/14336201066/
Hope you’ll like the shots too 😀
Cheers from Italy
Hi Antonio, thanks for visiting my blog 🙂 First of all thanks for the link to your pics, they are excellent. I’m less familiar with the later quartz models than with Citizen’s vintage mechanical watches. There have been so many quartz watches made that it is difficult to find information about them and when they were made. I have had a couple of other people ask about watches with the 6031 movement and after a bit of research I would think it was produced in the late 1980s. The serial number of yours gives us a likely production date of October 1989. The model number is 6031-S13572, and the ‘>5’ marking indicates where the back should be levered off (i.e. the 5 o’clock position). ‘YP’ is ‘yellow plate’, so the watch is gold tone, over a base metal case.
Here’s a link to the relevant technical manual: http://www.watchuseek.com/archive/seikocitizen/Citizen_Technical_Manuals/6031.pdf
Hi Stephen, thanks! You’re doing a great historical job here.
What about the front code? It looks different (6031T50 etc.)
thanks Antonio 🙂 The front code is the dial code, so will be different from the serial number. It’s a part number, and like yours, the first part is often the movement number so it can be very helpful.
Like everyone else I’m trying to track down information on my Citizen. From the watch case it says:
Citizen Watch Co.
Base Metal YP
5030622 – (Serial # I assume)
Japan > 12
However on the face it says something different. Up top it says:
On the bottom of the face it says:
Japan 4031 492452-Y
What does your Ouija board say about this model? Glad to send pics if you desire.
Thanx for the info in advance!!!
Hi Mike, thanks for visiting my blog. I’m not too familiar with Citizen’s quartz models I’m afraid, but I reckon that the dial code and the model number are consistent with each other since both start with movement number – 4031. The rest of the dial code is the dial part number so it will differ from the number on the back of the case. It’s age is harder to determine since I don’t know when this movement was in production. It could be as early as March 1985 (from the first three digits in the serial number – 503) or, and maybe more likely, it’s from 1995. The >12 mark tells you where the notch is in the case back to lever it off (i.e. the 12 o’clock position).
I believe the compact design of the movement allowed it to be used in both men’s and women’s watches. Here’s a link to the relevant technical manual – unfortunately Citizen don’t date their manuals: http://www.thewatchsite.com/files/Citizen%20Technical%20Manuals/4031.pdf
Thanx for being so quick to respond Stephen!! I’d say March of 1995 is dead on. It was a present from my girls and that’s the right time frame. Even tho you’re not as familiar with this style as much as others, would you have any idea of its value?
I appreciate you getting back to me and I’ll keep an eye out for a response. Thanx again!!
I’m afraid quartz models do not have any great value, unless they are high end, very accurate movements, and / or are very rare early pieces. If you search eBay for something like ‘Citizen 4031 quartz’ (include ‘completed’ listings)you should find some examples to give an idea.
I recently discovered a ladies watch that I have tried with much difficulty to identify its history. The watch is also in pretty bad shape so I hope to know more about it to see if it is worth repairing or even possible to repair.
The case back says CITIZEN WATCH CO, with a case number “4-163401” and a model number that says “75-2363”. The serial number is 7-digit, starting with “810”.
The watch is hand wound. It runs all over the place and has no functionality whatsoever in telling time, the glass is severely scratched and foggy so I’m hoping to find the parts online to get it repaired due to sentimental value. Thank you very much.
Hi Paolo, thanks for visiting my blog, and apologies for a slow reply – I have been away on a family holiday. At the moment I am also not able to find information on the model you have. One thing that can help is a dial code – this is printed at the bottom of the dial under, or at the side of, the 6 o’clock marker. I appreciate that it may be difficult to see it if the crystal is foggy, but if you can see it please let me know since it may help identify the movement.
But after carefully inspecting the watch, I don’t see any code or even room for any code on the dial near six o’clock or anywhere else. The watch is a ladies watch, more decorative tha practical, so the dial is pretty minimal with big Roman numerals and the word Citizen. There is nothing else on the dial. I cannot rule out that dial might have been repainted decades ago but skeptical because I doubt it would have worth the time and effort when the rest of the watch is in such mediocre shape.
The watch is a rectangular black dial watch with a gold plated case, hand wound, the case back says
BASE METAL TOP
ST STEEL BACK
There are little else information I can see on the watch. There are clearly no power reserve indicator but each winding lasts around 28 hours. There is absolutely no indication of even the most elementary shock proof or water proof function in any wording whatsoever. The glass is also quite soft and has quite a few a scratches and dents, seems slightly softer than ordinary mineral glass.
I would like to get the watch properly serviced and relubricated by independent watch repairer, but I am really afraid the thing would break down once someone has opened the case back due to the poor thing’s age and I wouldn’t be able to find the parts to keep it alive because it is a Citizen. It still keeps relatively accurate time. Have you got any advice on how to keep it alive as long as possible, especially for people like me who thinks it makes no sense to leave a watch sits unwound in a cupboard. Thanks.
Thanks Steph but nope, quite certain there is no number on the dial. It’s a ladies watch though, so the dial is pretty minimal with only Roman numerals and the word Citizen. I’ve managed to get around 27 hours per winding. There’s really no other information I can find on the watch.
Hi Paolo, thanks for all the information, but I’m struggling to find any info on your watch. This is partly due to the fact that women’s watches are not collected so there is little or no reference material on them – that also means that there is very little value in women’s models. The only other way that we can find out what movement is used is to remove the case back – if you can do this then there should be a movement number stamped near the balance wheel, although a magnifier would be needed. Is is a screw down back or a press fit?
It’s a press fit but I really can’t risk opening up the fragile old thing. The watch is mostly valuable because of it’s sentimental value.
Hi Paulo, I understand 🙂
Thanks Stephen. No worries, I may purchase the watch as I like alarm. This quartz alarm model seems to be uncommon and it makes my collection more interesting. Thanks again
You’re welcome Joe – good luck with your purchase 🙂
Hi I have a watch that was found in the 70s by a family member. A old watch maker told him it was a adec but could’nt give him any information on what year it was made. On the back it has the words Water resistant. Dust Proof. Anti-Magnetic.
Hi Janice, thanks for visiting my blog. I don’t know very much about the Adec brand, but they did use Citizen movements. As far as I know they first used quartz movements from the early 1980s. Is yours a quartz model? I found a nice link to an American newspaper ad, from 1983:
Great blog! I’m hoping you can point me in he right direction. I was at a local thrift shop and found this really nice Citizen automatic in lovely condition…other than the crystal. Any chance there is a source for a replacement? case number 4-600118 Y How do I post Pics?
Hi Brian, thanks for visiting my blog and for your kind comment. The original part number for the crystal is 54-07230 – Jules Borel (in the USA) list a replacement crystal with this part number for case number 4-600118, so if you can find a watch maker with a Borel account he should be able to order one. I’m afraid visitors can’t post pictures directly here, but you can post a link if you upload them to somewhere like Photobucket. Otherwise I can email you and I could upload them (no need to post your email address, I get to see that when someone posts a comment).
Great blog and info here. Thanks for making all this available. Can you please help me with my Citizen Valiant?
Everything on the back is as follows:
parawater citizen stainless steel
From what I’ve read I think it must be from July 1971 or July 1961.
Can you help? 🙂
Hi Arsov, thanks for visiting my blog, and for your kind comments 🙂
Your Valiant model has the 18 ‘Homer’ movement inside, which is the Homer hand winder with date complication. This movement was first made in 1962 and stayed in production until about 1975. You are right that the production date is July, and since the movement wasn’t available in 1961, it was made in 1971. This is also confirmed by the style of the model number – 63-1078 – which was not used until the mid-1960s, and the ‘parawater’ marking, which was used up to about 1972/3.
The movement is a nice one – in good condition these are reliable and accurate. I hope yours is running well 🙂
Thank you so much 🙂
It’s running great. I love it.
You’re welcome Arsov – good to hear it’s running well 🙂
i just get my old Citizen back from my watchmaker (Daydate doesn´t work correctly 😉 ) and in wanting to know how old my watch is, i found your very good blog.
Since Citizen is not so present at watchcollectors, for me it has a great history. I thought the watch must be from the early 1970th, but i am not sure about ist. Can you help ?
The Case Number is 4-653360 TA
Serial Number 50500844
and Model Number is 61 9213
The watch has a dark brown shaded dial, in the middle its nearly silver, very strange colour…
If i would know how, i would send a Picture of the watch, maybe you would like it.
Sorry for my bad english, i´ve done my best !
Greetings from Germany
Hi Maik, thanks for visiting my blog 🙂 Your English is fine, and much better than my German!
Your watch has the 6501 movement – this was first made in 1971. So you are right that yours is from the 1970s. The serial number gives a production date of May 1975 (50500844). The 6501 is a nice movement, but it only had a short production run since Citizen started to produce quartz movements at that time and they stopped development of their mechanical movements.
I am interested in the dial design of yours – shall I email you so that you can send pics?
Hello Stephen, thank your for the fast answer, please give me your mail contact, so that i can send you a picture of the 1975 wach.
I did not find it in the Blog.
Tanks + greetings
Hi Maik, you’re welcome. I’ve just sent you an email so you can get a photo to me 🙂
Hope to find you well. Need to seek your advice on a citizen watch that I am thinking of buying. This is a 70s citizen, skeleton dial and mechanical. I do not have the model or case number. Conditions is extremely fine but it is not a big size watch. Question, is this a collectabile watch? I am thinking of collecting and not investing. Any information of this type of skeleton dial citizen? Hope you can help. Many thanks
Hi Joe, I’m fine thanks, hope you are well too. Is the watch like any of the ones shown here?: https://sweep-hand.org/2013/01/16/this-weeks-featured-watch-45-the-4-760182-skeleton/
Skeleton watches don’t appeal to everyone, but I’m sure that there is interest in them for collectors. Condition is even more important for a skeleton model.
I have a citizen eagle 7, 21 jewels automatic 8200 movement the back gives the following info CITIZEN, water resist, stainless, 4-823176 SMH, 22429023, 71-3554
Does this movement use pure or synthetic rubies. Recently I had given it for repair for a small time guy im scared that he would have changed any parts and replaced it with fake is it possible? Is there any way to find out if he did? Please help me with this one
Hi Charles, thank you for visiting my blog. There is no need to worry about the jewels – they will be synthetic rubies, as used in the vast majority of watch movements since they first appeared in 1902. They are fine and in fact are better since they can be made with great precision, unlike natural stones, which can contain flaws. The 8200 automatic is a well known movement, which has been in production for a long time and parts are available so I’d be surprised if any fake parts would be used. Did the watch guy charge you for replacement parts, other than jewels? Typically if a watch has been well used, then pivots and jewels may need replacing. I would think only an experienced watch maker could identify whether a repair has been done correctly. If the watch is working well and has decent accuracy then probably all is well. Poor repair or failure to replace worn parts would lead to poor running and lack of accuracy. Also, a properly serviced watch will have a good power reserve, i.e. it will run for around 40 hours when fully wound (and for an automatic this has to be tested off the wrist of course so there’s no movement to keep the watch wound).
Thanks for the quick reply. 1.From
the given case back info given in which year my watch was manufactured its decade month, etc can u interpret it for me? It has two languages one Arabic and the other English for day.
2. Just replace parts of it with fake or replacing the complete movement with fake one
3. How can I find out of if they are replaced
4. He told me that he did oraling for the watch and lubricated the parts as it was jammed.
Hi Charles – the ‘Eagle 7’ models were introduced in the 1980s, and I believe were made into the 1990s.
1. Can you please confirm the serial number for me – 22429023 – I wonder if you have typed it correctly?
2. It is possible to get hold of 8200 movements so a replacement could be used. A genuine 8200 movement looks like this:
http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk252/Sweephand/Adorex%208200/Adorex8200movement_zps1bc4c8d2.jpg A genuine replacement (‘Miyota’) movement may have a different shaped rotor, like the one in this link: http://www.ranfft.de/cgi-bin/bidfun-db.cgi?10&ranfft&0&2uswk&Citizen_8205A
3. If you can get the back off the watch you will at least be able to see whether or not it has an 8200 movement inside by comparing it with these
4. Having it looked at by an experienced watch maker is probably the only way of checking out the work that has been done – watch movements can stop running if the movement is dirty and gummed up with old oil.
Hope this helps,
That was very helpful. Yes, I have typed the no’s correctly I have given u the complete information about the case back in my 1st comment. On the dial near the 6 o clock position it is printed P-8200A and 6-811108SMH
Hi Charles, thanks for confirming the serial number. Unfortunately it is unusual – the typical format for a 7 or 8 digit number would give the last part of the year first, which is ‘2’ on yours, and the next two digits would give the month. So it would be 01 for January, through to 12 for December. The next two digits in yours are ’24’ which appear therefore not to provide the month of production. I’ve not seen a serial number like this before, but if we assume the first ‘2’ relates to the year, then yours is from either 1982 or 1992. The Eagle 7 models were made through the 1980s and 1990s so an exact year is hard to pin down.
My name is Hui from Thailand.I found your blog from serching the serial number in serch engine. Can you please help me to find how old is this watch and it’s history (if possible). It’s CITIZEN (Manual Winding Movement). For the details, featuring a gold-tone stainless steel case and bracelet with a black dial. It’s show only number XII and CITIZEN trade mark at below of number. Back made from stainless steel and show Case number “4-163389 SMW”, Serial Number “8011439” and Model Number is 75-2321 JAPAN GP.
Finally I hope these information wil help you find the answer. Thank you so much for your help.
Hello Hui, thanks for visiting my blog 🙂 From the model number (75-2321) and case number (4-163389) I believe your watch uses one of the 011/23/51/53 family of 21 jewel hand winding movements. These were different versions of a small movement introduced around 1975, mainly used as far as I know in ladies’ watches. If your watch has no second hand, it has one of the 011 movements. The other versions have second hands. Here is some info and a picture of the movement: http://www.ranfft.de/cgi-bin/bidfun-db.cgi?10&ranfft&0&2uswk&Citizen_0150
The serial number gives us the production date – since the movement was made from 1975, it looks like (from the first digit of the serial number) that yours was made in 1978. The next two digits give the month, so it was January of that year.
I hope this helps,
Thank you very much for your kindness. Actually, this watch is my girlfriend that she had just got as gift from her aunt and it look like a new one when compare with it’s time.
If she know about your info, I think she must be glad.
Khob Khun Mak Krub(Thank you very much).
You’re welcome Hui 🙂
Hi could you please give me some more information on my two watches. the black and silver one is an eBay Indian “serviced” watch that runs ok but the day is impossible to get correct and it has about 3 languages on the days. the cutlass runs lovely and just a little honey of a watch.
many thanks Gordon
Hi Gordon, thanks for visiting my blog, and for posting links to your photos. The Cutlass is interesting – I have seen a couple of others like this, and it appears to be an early Citizen ‘sub-brand’, i.e. it has no Citizen signature on the dial or back. So it is not be confused with Citizen’s earlier ‘Cutlass’ automatic watches, which were fairly high grade models in the mid to late 1960s (e.g. https://sweep-hand.org/2012/07/01/this-weeks-featured-watch-36-the-cutlass-33-jewels/). What indicates that your hand winder is a Citizen watch are the model number, 63-5618, and the case number, 4-020294, and the case material code – CSP. The case number is the best indicator since it includes the movement number – 02 – which means it has Citizen’s Homer movement. This was first produced in 1960, and was made for around 20 years appearing in a number of models. It is a very sound and reliable movement, and the 21 jewel second setting version was issued to Japanese National Railways staff. More info on the movement can be found here: https://sweep-hand.org/2012/02/23/this-weeks-featured-watch-23-the-homer/. ‘CSP’ stands for Citizen silver plate, which is the case finish, with a stainless steel back. The serial number on yours indicates a production date of July 1972 (from the first three digits).
Your Eagle 7 automatic has the 8200 movement inside. This was first produced around 1975, and the Eagle 7 range was launched in the 1980s. The 8200 became Citizen’s standard automatic as the development of other mechanical movements was dropped in favour of quartz models. Like the 02 Homer, the 8200 is a good movement, and can achieve very good accuracy. Although production of watches using this movement spans more than 30 years, given yours is an Eagle 7, I would think it harks from February 1988 (from first 2 digits of the serial number). It’s a shame the day mechanism is faulty, but donor or replacement 8200 watches can be found fairly easily on eBay.
hi there, I loved this very accurate page for Citizen watches; can you help me with my one?
here what can I see on back case:
around is written:
all stainless steel – water resistant
is an Automatic 21 jewels with double language DAYDATE (spanish/english)
Hi SG, thanks for visiting my blog and for your kind comment 🙂 Your watch is an ‘Eagle 7′ – it uses the 21 jewel 8200 automatic movement first produced around 1975, which runs at 21,600 beats per hour. This movement became Citizen’s standard automatic, like the Seiko 5, and has been in production ever since. The information on the case back of yours is as follows:
71-1837 is the model number; 4-280334 is the case number and 30903741 is the serial number. The serial number helps us date the watch – the first ’3′ is for the year and the next ’09′ is for the month. So it was made in September of 1983 I would think – it could possibly be `93, but the 8 digit serial number is more typical of the 1980s and earlier.
Hi I have same citizen model with same case number.
The serial number is 90909448.
Im finding it hard to decode the date of manufaturing?
Can you please decode it
Hi, thank you for visiting my blog – I am sorry for my late reply, but I’ve had to replace my computer this week and going from WinXP to 8.1 has been a bit of a challenge 😉
The serial number on your Eagle 7 model indicates a production date of September 1989 (‘909’ at the beginning of the number). As far as I can determine the Eagle 7’s appeared in the 1980s and were produced right through to the 1990s.
Thank You Stephen..
This watch is made Japan for Middle East Market,
So it has ‘DAY’ in both English and Arabic,
(It was inherited to me form my grand father)
I recently serviced it ,Now its running good!
25 Years old, Amazing piece of Engineering!-
Good to hear you have kept the watch in the family – I’m not surprised that it is running well, Citizen have always made good quality movements.
thank you very much Stephen for your accurate and detailed answer; I was trying to do it by myself but I wrongly identified the watch as a 1973 one.
Anyway I am happy with it even if I was looking for an older model (I got it on eBay Spain).
have a good day!
You’re welcome Simone 🙂 If you are looking to buy again, please do not hesitate to ask about it here, I would be happy to check it out for you.
Dear Stephen, I purchased a Citizan Alarm Date. Its serial number is 91110135. I tried to understand the S/N by myself, but I think I am quite wrong. Could you help me, please? Thanks. Kind regards
Hi Antonio, thanks for visiting my blog 🙂 The first three numbers in the serial number are used to date the watch. To get the year of production – indicated by the first digit in the serial number – we need to know which decade the watch was made in, and this can be difficult with some models. Citizen first made their alarm watches in 1958, using the 98 movement, and they followed this with a second version with the 31 movement in 1964. The key to dating yours is that it is an alarm date . The early versions were without the date complication, so your watch can be no earlier than 1964. Production of the alarm date models continued into the early 1970s, but not as late as 1979, so your watch was made in 1969. The second and third digits give the month of production, so yours is from November of that year. I hope this answers your question, but please ask if there is anything else,
hi there, I loved this very accurate page for Citizen watches; can you help me with my one?
here what can I see on back case:
please explain me. Thank you so much…Happy new year with the best
and front case red eagle
Hi Mr Ken, thank you for visiting my blog, and apologies for not replying sooner. Since your watch has the eagle emblem on the dial, it confirms that you have one of the ‘Eagle 7’ models. Usually these have the 8200 automatic movement in them which was first produced by Citizen in 1976. The Eagle 7 line was introduced on the 1980s and were made through to the 1990s so it can be difficult to determine just when they were made. The style of the model number (71-3775) and the case number (4-283686) suggest to me it is from the 1980s, so from the first three digits in the serial number it looks like yours was made in February 1983. ‘GN-4W-5’ (or ‘S’ more likely I think) is the case type code, indicating a water resistant case and crystal with a screw on back.
I hope this helps – all the best for 2015,
My grandpa passed away almost two years ago and left me his watch. I can’t read english very well and I’d like to know more about this watch.
On the back it’s written :
Citizen Watch Co.
Base metal YP
9 1 1 4 4 7 2
Hello. I have had this watch for 30 years. It is a hunt citizen. It date’s to the mid 50’s. On the back it shows. .GP. stainless steel back. 14502.the front face .shows Para shock. 17 jewel. Would love information on where it was made and possibly some sort of estimate price. It’s in excellent condition. Thanks.
Hello there my watch isnt vintage but love to no what year it was made the markings on the back are 4-R12021 RC
GN-4-S i think its round the year 2000
Thanks in advance
Hi Craig, thanks for visiting my blog – your watch is one of the later Eagle 7 models I believe, with 100m resistance and an external bezel. I would think it is from June 1998 (from first two digits in the serial number (864398).
Thanks for the reply
By any chance would u know what the price would be roughly
Cheers in advance
Hi Craig – best way to get an idea I reckon is to Google ‘Citizen R-12021 sold’ and you should be able to find some examples.
Hello, I would appreciate finding out the age and more info on my dad’s Eagle 7 Automatic watch I recently received. On the front dial, it says P-8200-R09159-KY and the markings on the back are below. I’ve discovered the days are in English/Spanish and it seems to be running fine but I would love it if you could provide a link to care and maintenance instructions (I assume I do not wind this?) and the best way to keep it running smoothly. Thank you, Dean
Hi Dean, thanks for visiting my blog. The Eagle 7’s were made for a long period so dating them can be difficult. The style of the case number (4-R10842) and the six digit serial number (710072) suggest to me that it is one of the later models. So it could be from 1997 – if that seems too recent then it may be 1987. Sorry I can’t be more specific! Although an automatic, the 8200 can be hand wound, which is handy if you don’t use it all the time, and a bit of hand winding is recommended to give best performance. Here’s a link to instrucitons: http://www.citizen.com.hk/upload/instruction_manual/8200__E.pdf
Other than what is advised in the instructions, an automatic will need to be serviced from time to time to reduce wear and keep it running accurately and reliably. If you want to use the watch regularly and don’t know when or whether it was serviced before, it might be worth getting it done to keep it in top condition.
Thank you for the link and information, Stephen. Is there a directory somewhere where I can find someone qualified to work on my Eagle 7 in my area? (Phoenix)
I’m afraid I don’t know of a directory. The Eagle 7 (8200 movement) is a relatively straightforward automatic so any good watch repairer should be able to service it. I’ve had a quick search and found this one recommended, on the WatchUSeek forum, in Tempe AZ so not far from you 🙂 : http://www.donaldsonwatchrepair.com/ They work on high end watches, like Omegas, so I don’t know whether they would also take on a (relatively) lowly Citizen! Worth contacting them I would think. If they don’t want to do it they may recommend someone else in the area….
Hi I’m wondering if you can help me identify the model of what was this watch. I have only the back as I found it washed up on the beach. The front has been destroyed and rusted out.
The back reads:
CITIZEN WATCH CO.
I read the year ends in a ‘9’ but I am unable to determine the decade it was made.
Hi Lilly, thanks for visiting my blog. You find the remains of one of these: http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/citizen-automatic-vintage-japan-mens-168680524
This is an automatic with Citizen’s workhorse 8200 movement in it, which was first produced in 1976 and was then made for over 50 years. This makes them tricky to date. From the serial number the earliest date for yours is October 1979 – although it could be from then, the look of the design suggests 1989 to me, but I’m afraid I can’t be sure.
I bought this vintage Citizen 21 Jewels because I like the square case.
The back is marked as follows:
CITIZEN WATCH CO.
When I started my research on it, I got very conflicting information. When I type in “NH 4000” at google, mostly some kind of diver watch appears. It seems that the type “NH 4000” is often used for marking “fake watches”.
I´d be glad, if you could give me some further Information about this watch, esp. if I got an original Citizen or just another (older) fake.
Hi Marco – thanks for visiting my blog. The diver watches with these numbers are believed to be fakes. The dial numbers are not correct, some of them have the same serial numbers, and a number of them suddenly appeared for sale on eBay a while back. However, 4-039050 is a legitimate case number, and I have seen a couple of examples, also marked NH4000, which are from the Eagle 7 line: https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSJgMiPOwIpL3BjT3cUNB9GeJDxShuiRnPo4ZuzGVXJS8-B0KQ
Is this the same as yours? If so you have a correct one. Made in 1983 I should think form the serial number,
thank you so much, that´s exactly my watch!
I tried to link a photo in my last comment, but it seems that didn´t work.
I´m very happy now to know a bit more about this watch!
It´s good to know a guy like you with that amount of knowledge!
Greets from Germany
Hi Marco – you’re welcome and thanks for the links to the pics of your watch. I’m afraid visitors can’t post photos directly here, only I can do that.
Very interesting blog. I have a 1971 Cosmotron which has no model number code on the back, unlike other Cosmotrons of the same year that i have seen. Also what is the significance of the ‘TA’ at the end of the top line code? Again other Cosmotrons of the same year appear to have a ‘Y’ instead.
Hi John, thanks for visiting my blog. Nice example – I have a soft spot for the X8 / Cosmotrons 🙂 Good question about the ‘TA’ etc. I have not been able to pin this down, but my best guess is that they are a factory mark. They are not part of the case number, i.e. 4-810082 (catalog pics don’t include the letters in the case number). For your information, here’s a scan of your model from the 1971 catalog:
Thanks for the catalog entry Stephen, quite surprised how relatively cheap it was in 1971, I have a couple of 1970’s Seiko quartz watches that cost in excess of 40,000 Yen when they were new.
I have another, later (1974) Cosmotron, but sadly it has a small crack in the crystal and a replacement would appear to be impossible to source :0(
Hi John – 18,000 Yen was a medium priced watch in 1971; the most expensive Cosmotron in the 1971 catalog was 34,000 Yen. The limited edition titanium cased X8 Chronometer was 45,000 in 1970. Quartz was new in those days, so they were very much more expensive at first. In 1977 the quartz models were 50,0000 and upwards. The ‘4 Mega’ was 4,500,000!
Is your other Cosmotron case number 4-870034? I have a white dialled version of that if so. The crystal part number is 54-60551 – I can only find one possible supplier, Jules Borel in the USA:
http://cgi.julesborel.com/cgi-bin/matcgi2?ref=Y%60WKWIXF Unfortunately they have a minimum order for international customers, I think it’s a couple of hundred dollars, so best route is to find a friend in the USA who has an account with them!
Thanks for the reply Stephen. The case number on the ‘square’ Cosmotron is 4-790146Y model number is 60-5115 so not the same :0(
I have a couple of US contacts who may have accounts with Borel, so will bear that in mind for the future.
Although a different case number, the crystal part number is the same for yours – 54-60551.
Thanks for the informative website. I recently acquired this 21 jewel automatic Citizen with no extras to give me any clues as to what it is…. just a plain watch face with standard embellishments with day and date.
case back reads:
CITIZEN WATCH CO.
BASE METAL YP
Thanks in advance for your help.
I can email pics if you would like to see
Hi Rex, thanks for visiting my blog. I think what you have is an export model with the 8200 movement inside, probably from 1983. I’ll email you since pics are always useful 🙂
My grandpa passed away almost two years ago and left me his watch. I can’t read english very well and I’d like to know more about this watch.
On the back it’s written :
Citizen Watch Co.
Base metal YP
9 1 1 4 4 7 2
Hi Emgo, thanks for visiting my blog. Your watch is a quartz model which I am not so familiar with, but I will give as much information as I can about it. 6010-S13505 SMW is the case number and this indicates that the movement inside is a 6010. ‘YP’ is ‘yellow plate’ so it is a gold tone watch. ->5 indicates where the case back can be levered off, i.e. the 5 o’clock position. The first three numbers in the serial number – 9114472 – help to date the watch, but I’m afraid I don’t know when this movement was produced. From the style of the watch and the case back, I think it is most likely from November 1989.
Hope this helps,
Thank you so much for your valuable information. I got a pretty old Citizen from my father. and i found #31202772 on the back. Could you adivse the production date of it ? Thanks.
Mr.Kim Dae-Hun in South Korea
Thank you for visiting my blog 🙂 Can you please tell me what else is on the case back of your father’s watch, and what is on the dial? If we can identify the model, it will help determine the production date,
On the back, it is written
ALL STAINLESS STEEL
I’d like to post some picture of it as above. but i have no knloweldge.
Hence, could you refer to my blog ” blog.naver.com/k9801010 “. I uploaded front, back pics. Thank you in advance.
Further in above,
On the Front,
Thanks for the additional information, and for the link to your blog. Unfortunately visitors aren’t allowed to post images directly here. Since here is no case or model number on the back of your watch, which would have helped identify the movement, I’m basing my thoughts on the dial code. Since it starts with ’84’ I would think the movement is an 8400 quartz module. I can’t find much info about this unfortunately, but the 8410 version was used in the first radio controlled watch in the early 1990s. These movements would give accuracy of +/- 15 seconds or so per month. I think your watch is from the 1980s, since there were other models from that period with the subsidiary second hand. If I’m right about the 1980s, the first three digits in the serial number (312) give a production date of December 1983. It could possibly be 1993, but the 8 digit serial number is more typical of the 1980s.
Hope this helps,
Thank you for your kind and professional explanation. I am very happy to get a valuable information on my watch for your help. My father also said to me it might be over 30 years. but he couldn’t know exactly when it produced because he received the watch from his father also. I think it is real Masterpiece which can be passed down through generations with their own memory.
Thank you again. – Kim Dae-Hun
Hi Kim, you’re welcome 🙂
I’ve got an old watch and I am curious as to what the numbers on the back all mean…
Base Metal YP
I think This watch belonged to my Grandmother
Hi Lisa – thanks for visiting my blog. Your watch is a quartz model – the markings are as follows:
‘Base Metal YP’ – this indicates the case is gold tone, i.e. yellow plated
‘3220-893476 SMB’ – is the case number. 3220 is the movement designation. I believe ‘SMB’ refers to the factory where it was made or assembled
‘421677’ – is the serial number. The first two numbers help to date the watch, but I am less familiar with quartz watches. I guess it was made in either February 1984 or February 1994.
32-9588 is the model number.
Hope this helps,
Hey, I’ve been trying to figure out what year this watch is. I just bought it from eBay and I’ve been trying to date it. All I can gather is its possibly made in the year 19×8 in April and it was the 1125th model made that month. Could you help me determine the year it was made? Here is a picture:
If that doesn’t work I can link it:
Hi, and thanks for visiting my blog. I’m afraid visitors can’t post pics here, but the link works 🙂 I need to see the dial though to get a better idea of the year it was made – could you please upload one and post a link?
Ok. Here’s the link:
Thanks for the link – your watch has a re-painted dial. These are usually done in India, typically to an automatic with the 8200 movement which I guess had a wrecked dial. The model number is a valid one, so it most probably has the 8200 movement inside. I think the original watch was probably from 1988.
oh hi! can you help me identify some information about this watch
Stainless steel back
Hi, thanks for visiting my blog. Looks to me that you have a ‘Homer Date’, the date version of the hand winding Homer family of watches. The style of the markings on the back, and the presence of ‘STAR’ (the case factory) and 30 microns (thickness of the gold plating) suggest it is one of the early ones. These were first sold in 1962, and in fact this fits with the serial number (11223T?9) where we get a production date of December 1961 – from the first three numbers. This would fit with it being sold in 1962, since the watches would of course be built in advance of the sales launch. Are you sure it is a ‘T’ in the serial number, or is it a ‘7’? I’ve not seen a serial number with a letter in it like this. I would think the model number is HD 150306 too, that would be typical of these early models. These movements run at 18,000 beats per hour and came with 17, 19 or 21 jewels – they were in production until about 1975.
Have you got a dial shot? It would be interesting to see it 🙂
Hi nice information. I have a citizen 6000 with number 4-601033y do you know anything about this watch??? I can’t find anywhere information. It says 17 jewels and if you could give me a price It would be great. Thank you again
Thanks for visiting my blog. Your watch should be a date only model if it is marked 6000 – this movement had a short production run of a few years from 1971. Some info can be found on page 10 of the Movement Table: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/stephen.netherwood/VintageCitizenMovementTablev6.0Secure.pdf
The case number is a correct one, but I don’t have any other references to it. I avoid trying to give valuations since there are many variables. It’s unlikely to have any great value, but in good condition the 6000 is a good quality movement.
I have a citizen homer watch and i was wondering what year it was from how much it was worth. The model number is HO150802 and the serial number is 40300368. It has the word ‘star’ and ‘stainless steel’ also on the back. Thank you for your help.
Hi Melissa – I believe your watch is from 1964. It’s not likely to have any great value, although in very good to mint condition it would be of interest to collectors
Hello there my watch isnt vintage but love to no what year it was made the markings on the back are :
CITIZEN WATCH CO.
Base metal CP
Thanks in advance
Hi Cristian, thanks for visiting my blog. I’m travelling at the moment so will reply in a couple of days,
I appreciate your help very much, I await your response. You are doing a great work and helping much people.
Hi Cristian, thank you for your kind words – much appreciated 🙂 Sorry for the delay in replying. Your watch is an ‘Eagle 7’ using the 8200 automatic movement first produced in 1976. It can be difficult to date these since the movement has been used by Citizen for many years. The Eagle 7 range was introduced in the 1980s and was made through the 1990s. The style of the model number – 8200-075382 – and the six figure serial number (411143) suggest to me that it is one of the later ones, so I would say it was made in November 1994.
My dad says he purchased this watch in Switzerland in 1945-46. he is. 90 so this could be confused with one of the other watches in the bag.
Can you tell me if he is correct on the year. Or near value?
Hello! I’m glad I found this blog. I have an old citizen that I absolutely cannot take the back off of. I’ve taken it in to a number of places and all they’ve done is tear up the back trying to open the case. I’d be glad to post pictures if you’re willing to give it a look. It’s a two tone from the late ’80s, black and gold GN-4W-U, 4300-432142K.
Thanks for visiting my blog – my knowledge mainly covers older mechanical watches. I don’t know what kind of case back is used on yours, and I’m surprised to hear that your local watch guys can’t remove it. Screw on case backs can be very tight, especially if there is some corrosion, but yours should have needed a battery change every two years so it shouldn’t have been left untouched for many years unless it hasn’t been used. Sorry I can’t help any more than making these observations – for info here’s the technical manual for your watch: http://www.thewatchsite.com/files/Citizen%20Technical%20Manuals/4300.pdf
Firstly a huge thank you for all your dedicated work! The blog is amazing and its incredible to see you’re still responding to requests for help.
I don’t think mine is all that exciting, but I’m struggling to find any images of the exact watch online, and id love to know what it is and get a new battery for it and have it serviced as its been sat in a box for a very long time and id like to wear it again. It was my granddads. I wondered if you’d be as so kind to turn you skills into having a look?
Citizen Quartz Crystron
Hi Russ, thanks for visiting my blog and thank you for your kind comments – much appreciated. Thank you for the links to your pics of the watch, they are very helpful – although you say it is ‘not all that exciting’ it is great to know that you have your grand father’s watch 🙂 Like you I haven’t been able to find any images of the exact same model either, but seeing ‘8620’ on the dial tells us that the quartz movement inside is an 8620. And this was one of earliest of Citizen’s (and anybody else’s) quartz modules, so was quite a special watch in its day, since it was new technology then which we now take very much for granted. One version of the movement, the 8650, was used in the ‘Crystron 4 Mega’ model in 1976. It was accurate to about +/- 3 seconds per year, quite astonishing then when the best mechanical watches managed something like that accuracy per day! The 4 Mega cost 4.5 million yen though. Anyway, back to your 8620 – this had an accuracy of +/-15 seconds per month when it left the factory, so still considerably better than conventional mechanical watches at the time. The first Citizen quartz models were launched in 1973, but initially not badged ‘Crystron’ just ‘CQ’ – ‘Crystron’ was introduced around 1975 I think, and was used not only on analogue models like yours, but also on the first LCD and Solar Cell models introduced in 1976.
The marks on the case back are the case number (4-860161), useful to watchmakers when servicing the watch and if parts were needed, and it also provides a clue to the movement inside. 50-0510 is the model number – less useful, but ’50’ is consistent with watches that use the 8620 movement. ‘6N-5-S’ is the case type code, indicating a water resistant design, with screw-on case back. And finally the serial number – 50713027 – which gives the production date. Since the 8620 moments were introduced in the 1970s and were probably obsolete by the mid-1980s, this indicates a date (from the first three digits) of July 1975, so one of the first Crystrons ;).
As to the battery, the Citizen part number for that is 280-01 so an alterantive can be fond, for example the Renata 301. Here’s a link to a battery conversion chart, and the 280-01 is conveniently on the first line 🙂 : http://www.battery-house.co.uk/reference.html
How is the crystal on yours? If it needs replacing it can still be found (part number 54-61111).
I have an Auto GN-4W-S
Can you tell me something about it?
Hi Ivan, thanks for visiting my blog. You have an automatic with the 8200 movement, probably from September 1977. The case number (4-821068) indicates this movement, as does the model number (51-1439) since ’51’ was used on 8200 models in the late 1970s. The first three numbers in the serial number (70900322) indicate the date of production. Here’s more info on the 8200: https://sweep-hand.org/2013/01/27/the-8200-movement-citizens-standard-auto/
hello. i have a citizen diver watch with 8200 movement, but, although i fiind your table very accurete i have a difficulty to date it. can you help me?
on the caseback it is stamped:
Hi, thanks for visiting my blog. The problem with dating watches with the 8200 movement is that it was produced for many years – from around 1975 right through to the 2000’s. And the serial number only helps when we know what decade the watch was made in, otherwise we don’t know whether it was 1975, 85, or 95. I think it’s safe to assume it isn’t 2005! The model number (4-824181) is useful since that isn’t a number for any of the 1970s divers, so 1975 can be ruled out. I’m not so familiar with post-1980 watches, but my best guess is 1995 – the styling of the dial suggests this to me, as well as the 6 figure serial number. The older models typically have 7 figure numbers. I can’t be definitive about the date, but I hope this helps.
I am writing this post because I have a dilemma about a dress Citizen watch I own.
First I want to thank you for your blog which is a great source of information. Real dedication and love for vintage timepieces is needed for such a job.
Back to my watch. I cannot tell how old is my Citizen. Actually I own two almost identical watches, the main difference is in the colour of the dial. The problem is in the fact that there is no serial number on the back case. The movement is 8210, other numbers are 4-820932SMH and 72-9051. Here are the pictures:
Also maybe some additional data could help. The glass is plexy with an inner metal ring, the watch is 38 mm wide and lug to lug is 39 mm.The crown is signed with CTZ. Also one interesting thing is that the movement has 17 jewels not 21 as most 8210 have. The other almost identical watch with silver sunburst dial has 8210 with 21 jewels. Maybe it is not important but I cannot recall that I have ever seen 8210 with 17 jewels.
If you could help me to define the age of my watch and to comment the number of jewels (17) I would be grateful.
I look forward to hearing from you.
Hi Nikola – thanks for visiting my blog, and for your kind comments. Also thank you for all the information you have provided, including very good images. Although your pics don’t show here (I’m afraid visitors can’t post images directly) I’ve browsed the URLs and had a look at them. As you’ve discovered this particular model (72-9051) doesn’t have a serial number. This is unusual but Citizen did this on some models, unfortunately. But first the easy bit 🙂 – the 8210 was indeed made with 17 jewels, although the 21 jewel versions are seen much more often. The 17 jewel versions were effectively the ‘entry model’ automatics – they have printed rather than applied Citizen logos and….no serial number!
So, what can we say to determine the likely production date? We can’t pin this down exactly, but can get pretty close to the year of production. In very general terms the use of ‘water resistant’ makes them post 1972/3 (that is the latest ‘water proof’ or ‘para water’ was used). More specifically the 72-XXXX model numbers feature in the 1977 casing parts catalog I have, but in there the second part of the numbers all start with ‘0’, e.g. 72-0178′. Assuming Citizen numbered their models logically, then yours are later than 1977. I can pin it down further by looking at a catalog I have from 1979, where some very similar models are listed – 8210 movements with 17 jewels, printed Citizen logo and similar case numbers to yours. The case number on yours is 4-820932, and the number in the catalog is 4-820908. So I think it is safe to say that your watches are most likely from 1979, or possibly 1978. Here’s a rather poor scan from the catalog which also shows the original price in 1979:
Hope this helps,
Thank you for precise, detailed and fast answer. You have met my expectations.
If you don’t mind I have one more watch I can’t determine age. It is not my watch but from forum’s colleague but still we are not able to define the exact age.
It is Citizen 7, serial number is 21100590, other numbers are 4-280351KT ; 71-1951. Movement is 8200A.
Here are some pictures.
Sorry for the links, don’t know how to post a picture so it can be visible right away.
I must say that I’m not sure if the plexy is original or not.
I’m looking forward to hearing from you.
Hi Nikola – you’re welcome 🙂
Your friend’s watch is an ‘Eagle 7’ and these can be hard to date since the Eagle 7 range was made from the 1980s and right through the 1990s. The style of the model number (i.e. like yours) and the 8 digit serial number suggest to me that it is from the earlier part of the production run, so I would say November 1982.
Thank you once again. I’m amazed by your will to help. So many watches so many dilemmas and still your commitment is amazing.
Keep up the good work.
You’re welcome Nikola, and thank you. Hope you visit again 🙂
Hi! my cousin in law gave me an old citizen watch. The watch is in very good condition I want to know the manufacturing date. At the back etched 8200-V66398E SJ the serial number 4040385
Hi, thank you for visiting my blog. From the model number you’ve given this is an automatic watch with the 8200 movement – does it have an eagle shaped ;logo on the dial with ‘7’ at the centre? The 8200 movement was used for more than 30 years, so dating them is difficult. The style of the model number and the seven digit serial number suggests to me it is not one of the earlier ones, so I would think this is from April 1994.
As with most others, im trying to find out more about a watch which i recently purchased. My initial course of action was to hit the web, and i was lucky enough to stumble upon this page! It seems Ive found the Citizen timepiece guru, so i’d like to thank you in advance for your effort and consideration!
I have what appears to be a Citizen Newmaster. Im guessing its from the 70’s?
Face: Dark grey, date window at 3 o’clock position.
Left of center – CITIZEN
Right if center – AUTOMATIC
Back: Screw on type.
ALL STAINLESS STEEL
Would appreciate any information about the watch.
Thanks a lot,
Hi Theo – thanks for your kind comments, and for all the info from your watch. Citizen used the ‘Newmaster’ name from the early 1960s for a variety of models, usually I think for export. The name was used most commonly on hand-winding models with the ‘Homer’ (02) movement (first produced in 1960). But it was also use on some automatic models, including one with the ‘jet’ rotor that also had 21 jewels, produced in 1962. Given the style of the markings on your watch case back, I don’t think it has the jet automatic. However, the markings don’t tell us what movement is used, unfortunately. Since it is marked ‘waterproof’ the watch is earlier than 1973, so the serial number tells us that it is from August 1967. At that time the likeliest movement is the date only version of the 52 movement, i.e. the 54 calibre. If you are able to take the back off, then a small movement number. e.g. 5403, should be stamped close to the balance wheel. Is there a number on the dial, just below the 6 o’clock marker?
Hope this helps – once we know the movement I can tell you a bit mopre about it,
I have a Citizen Quartz watch purchased 25 years ago in Hong Kong. It’s been setting there for almost 10 years. Recently I have had battery changed and it runs well, but I don’t know how to set the time and alarm.
Back Case :
Bass Metal YP
If you can find me a setting instruction for this watch, it will be very appreciated !!
I wish I can send you the picture, this watch has an alarm setting which I cannot figure it out.
Hi James, thanks for visiting my blog. Here’s a link to the technical manual for your watch, movement number 3450. It shows how to set the alarm etc:
Click to access 3450.pdf
Thank you, Stephen. You are the master!!
You’re welcome James 🙂
Hi Stephen. Great blog and very informative. Like most, I’ve discovered an old Citizen that belonged to my Grandfather that I’d like some information on.
The watch face is marked “41 Citizen Alarm” and the back case
Here are a couple of pictures for reference. Thanks!
Whoops, the picture links didn’t make it. Let’s try that again:
Hi Jon, thanks for visiting my blog, and for your kind comments. I’m sorry about the difficulty of getting pics on here – only I am allowed to post them directly, as you have discovered! You have an interesting watch. Citizen first made alarm watches, using a Swiss hand winding design, in 1958 – it was designated the ’98’ movement. It was phased out by about 1967, with the introduction, in 1964, of the ’31’ version of the same movement, typically offered with 21 jewels and a date complication. Bar some versions of the later movement, in my opinion the earlier version are more interesting – and they are certainly, generally speaking, rarer. First a slight correction to your description 😉 The logo on the dial is actually a stylised ‘4H’ rather than ’41’, i.e. it stand for ‘4 Hands’ since the alarm pointer adds one to the standard three.
These earlier models have what is known as a ‘cricket’ back – I haven’t got one of these myself, but I believe that there is an inner back against which the alarm hammer strikes, and the outer back helps to amplify the sound. The later versions have a simple flat snap on back, with a pin riveted to it against which hammer strikes. Some of the early models had a rotating disk to set the alarm, and they are very hard to find. The movement is relatively simple, with a separate spring for the alarm, and runs at the standard 18,000 beats per hour. Is the watch running and the alarm working?
As to the markings on the back – ‘STAR’ was stamped on Citizen’s cases until the mid-1960s, and was the shortened version of the name of their case factory. ‘Stainless Steel’ is of course the case material. ‘1507062’ is the model / case number and would have been used by watch makers to order parts if needed when doing a service or repair. ‘10600931’ is the serial number, and gives us a way of dating the watch. The first three digits are the year and month. ’06’ gives us June, and since these were not made before 1958, or after 1967, this one was made in 1961.
It’s really nice that you have found your grand father’s watch – do you think he bought it new? I hope it’s running ok, but if not it would be great to get it ticking away again 🙂
Thank you so much Stephen for your reply and for the awesome information.
Yes, the watch is running like a champ and the alarm still works without fail (and is loud). I do believe that my grandfather purchased this watch new as he spent several years traveling back and forth to Japan for work in the 1950s and 60s and I’m guessing that’s where he got it.
I’d like to start wearing this watch, but unfortunately, I don’t have the original strap. Do you happen to know what size strap would fit this watch?
Hi Jon – you’re very welcome 🙂 It’s always good to hear from someone who has a watch that has been ion the family since it was new. And great to hear as well that the watch is running well. I would recommend getting it serviced (by a skilled watchmaker) if you are going to wear it regularly – that will make sure it is thoroughly clean and freshly lubricated.
I would think the strap width is a standard 18mm on these, but worth double checking by measuring the gap between the lugs, i.e. where the ends of the strap connect to the case. This model most likely came on a leather strap originally. I would think a smooth or finely grained strap would suit it best – here’s a scan showing a little bit of the straps:
Hello. Can someone tell me anything about this watch:
citizen 21 jewels
parawater 4-020642TA 63-4239
Hi Filip, thanks for visiting my blog. Your watch is a hand winder with the ’02’ movement. It is from around 1970 to 1973. This movement is known as the ‘Homer’ since it was used in a model of that name and was a very successful calibre used from the early 1960s to around 1980. More info here: https://sweep-hand.org/2012/02/23/this-weeks-featured-watch-23-the-homer/
Thank you very much Stephen. It is not working atm, so I want to repair it and wear it. But can you please tell me if it is worth something now?
Hi Filip – these are not very valuable watches, since many were made and although a well built movement it is not ‘high end’. If you search eBay for Citizen ‘Homer’ or ‘Vintage Citizen 21 jewels’ you should get an idea of what similar models go for, but make sure you compare yours with ones in similar condition.
Again, thank you very much. You are so kind.
You’re welcome Filip
Hello. My boss almost tossed this woman’s Citizen (Elegance- I think. Hard to read even under a magnifier!) watch into her garage sale. Something tells me its special! Can you help me find out any extra info?
Approx. 1/2″ Oblong turquoise (changes to purple in light) face w/gold accents. Chain links look like 4 gold leaves making an “X” with a Brown jewel in between.
Facts in back:
Citizen Watch Co.
Base Metal UP
Hi Brigitte, thanks for visiting my blog, and apologies for a late reply. I’m afraid I can’t help a great deal with this watch. Since it is a quartz model, I’m not as familiar with it as I am with the older mechanical watches. 5421-629657 is the model number, and this also tells us that the 5421 movement is inside. Base Metal UP (or is it ‘GP’?) meaning that it is a plated case. I’m afraid these watches are not of any great value, but if you search eBay for ‘Citizen 5421’ you might find some examples. Here’s a link to the relevant technical manual: http://www.thewatchsite.com/files/Citizen%20Technical%20Manuals/5400.pdf
I am hoping anyone on here can help me. I have been buying vase lots of watches from Goodwill for years now and from time to time have a rough time identifying them. This one I can find but NO WHERE have I found it with the black Dial that this one has. It is a moon Phase watch and wondering if this one is worth more d/t color and metal band. PLUS, downside is there is no back on this watch.. ;(
It is a moon phase 2870 with a black metal band and black face and dial. I can’t seem to load pictures!
Hi Stormy – thanks for visiting my blog. I’m afraid I can’t help with quartz models – a quick look around the net didn’t bring up any black dialled examples. It’s not possible for you to post pics directly here, but you can post a link if you have uploaded them somewhere. Sorry I can’t be of more help.
Am trying to find out whether this model has a SAPPHIRE crystal or one made of MINERAL GLASS: BL9009-54F — Any help would be appreciated, including a link with such info. Many thanks.
Hi Michael – thanks for visiting my blog. I’m sorry but I don’t know much about modern models. However, a quick search found an ad which refers to ‘sapphire’ glass: http://www.joyeriapato.com/en/citizen-eco-drive-watch-bl9009-54f.html
Could you help me to recognise my watch. It is written in the back Citizen Watch Co, Water resist, Stainless, 4-039190 SMK, 30101344, GN-4W-S. My father bought me this watch in 1994. I would like to know the specification, series dan if possibly its price now. Many thanks for your help 😁.
Hi Christina, thanks for visiting my blog. Your watch is an ‘eagle 7’ automatic, with the 8200 movement inside. The 8200 was first produced in 1976 and was made for over 30 years. It became Citizen’s ‘workhorse’ movement and has proved to be reliable and reasonably accurate. Your example was made in January 1993, which fits with it being a gift in the following year. These 21 jewel movements run at 21,600 beats per hour, and can be hand wound as well as winding automatically when on the wrist. Here’s the instructions for the movement for your information: http://www.citizen.com.hk/upload/instruction_manual/8200__E.pdf
The value is not high for these models I’m afraid, if you search eBay for ‘Citizen 21 jewels’ for example, you should get an idea of what they sell for.
Can you please tell me what year this watch is or roughly what its worth i inherited it from my grandfather the back plate is
And it says citizen 21 jewel in the front
Hi Arnold, thanks for visiting my blog. Not sure from the info you’ve given what model it is – can you please tell me what is on dial and whether it is an automatic or a hand winder?
Hello Stephen, thank you for all info you have been sharing in your blog, very useful! I’m about to buy an old citizen watch, what can you tell based on the info in this picture. Is it a good one? How much do you think I should pay?
Hi Wagner, thanks for visiting my blog and for your kind comments. The asking price for the watch seems much too high to me. Although it looks ok, I haven’t got any references to a 52 movement (including the 5270) with 17 jewels. The 7 Star Deluxe models I’ve seen have higher jewelling than that, with 21 being the lowest. Although I may not have all the info on the 52 movements, I wouldn’t get too excited about this one unless it can be bought cheaply.
Hi Wagner, I just had another look at the pictures, and I think the dial is marked 21 jewels, so the seller’s description is incorrect. 21 jewels makes more sense to me. Still a high asking price though!
Hi Stephen, thank you very much for your return. The price is in local brazilian currency, in dollars is around US$129.00. what do you think? Tks in advance.
Hi Wagner – XE.com converts 599BRL to $159 for me, but even so in my opinion $129 is still high. I’d be looking at around $100.
I think I can negotiate that, thank you Stephen for your help.
Good luck with your negotiation 🙂
Sorry, see the pictures here
Hello Mr. Stephen.
Can you help me identify a citizen watch which seems to be quite old. It is sqaure in shape.
CITIZEN Para shock
GP 4-020090 S
Hi Jame – thanks for visiting my blog. Your watch is a hand winder with Citizen’s 02 ‘Homer’ movement inside. In good condition this is a sound and reliable movement that was first produced in 1960 and was made right up to around 1980. The style of the model number (63-5821) and the case number (4-020090) tell me it is not one of the earlier ones. The first number in the serial number (0121121) gives the production year, so it was either 1970 or 1980. If the dial or case back is marked ‘parawater’ or ‘waterproof’ then it is 1970. If it is marked ‘water resistant’ then it is more likely to be 1980.
Hi, thanx for the interesting articles on the Citizen watches. Pls can u assist me in finding out if the watch is worth anything to a collector? It would be greatly appreciated…
On the Back:
And at the bottom by the 6 dial (not to sure)
JAPAN 6 – 320506 (it could also be 23?)
Hi Charlene – thanks for visiting my blog. You have a women’s watch with the 9300 movement inside, which is a small hand winding calibre made in the early 1970s, possibly the late 1960s. The model number (66-9121), the case number (4-930134) and 19 jewels on the dial are all consistent with the 9300 movement. The dial code, which I guess is hard to read on the small dial, should be 6-93xxxx for this calibre – do you think that might be what’s on yours?
I’m afraid women’s watches just aren’t collected so value is low as a result.
Hi, I recently purchased a citizen 21 jewel automatic watch and just wondered if you could tell me more about it . I’ve had a look around your site and the movement pdf but I’m still struggling to find out when it was made etc
On the back:
Hi Jamie, thanks for visiting my blog. From the information you’ve provided I believe you have an 8200 automatic. This movement was first produced in 1976 and remained in production for over 30 years, which makes dating them a little tricky. Also the case and model numbers don’t help in identifying what is inside. However, I know that the ’71’ model number prefix was used in the late 1970s for 8200 models, and the eight digit serial number is also typical of that time. So, from the first three digits in the serial number it looks like yours was made in April 1980. There’s more info on this movement here if you search for the 8200 automatic (doing this on my phone so struggling to paste a link).
Thanks Stephen that’s great
You’re welcome 🙂
Hello Stephen / Sweephand.
Can you guess what the build year of this Citizen watch will be ?
The movement would be the Citizen 8200A
with a German & English date wheel
My guess would be April 1988, but could it be 1978
or even 1999 ? .. the condition is flawless
so it would be a miracle if it is truely 1979.
Thanks for your assistance. Gerard
Hi Gerard, thanks or visiting my blog. Your watch looks to be in perfect condition 🙂 It is an ‘Eagle 7’ model of course, and these were not made before the 1980s. They were made through the 1980s and 1990s, but I’m not sure when production ended, which makes dating it more tricky, but we can rule out 1978. The style of the case number – i.e. the inclusion of the letter R – is also indicative of a later Eagle 7, and the six digit serial number is also a later type. So it is either 1988 or 1998, but I’m afraid I can’t be sure which it is. Sorry I can’t be any more specific, but I don’t have reference material on the Eagle 7’s.
Thanks for the quick feedback Stephen,
and I realy do like this unique blog.
so I’ll be back to terminate more of my Citizens 🙂
You’re welcome Gerard, and thank you for your positive comment. Looking forward to your next question 🙂
Dear Stephen, Thanks so much for sharing the Great information on the casing. I need your help to identify my watch. I guessed it made of silver. On the back case, it is marked “CITIZEN, 4-850106 Y, 6070754, JAPAN 925 SILVER” and on the face, it is marked “citizen quartz, CQ, JAPAN 8520-85014-Y”. Can you please determine the year of production? Many thanks in advance
Hi and thank you for visiting my blog and for your kind comment. Your watch is one of the early quartz models, with the 8520 movements inside. These were expensive watches when new, since quartz technology was still new at that time, and a silver cased one would have been very expensive. The ‘925’ quality mark (i.e. 92.5% pure silver) is used on solid silver, but sometimes can be seen on silver plated jewellery. But Citizen usually used CSP for silver plated models, so is yours solid silver do you think? ‘8520-85014’ is the model number, whilst 4-850106 is the case number. The serial number – 6070754 – tells us that is was made in July 1976.
Hi, I have a ladies gold colored watch, given to me around 1980 or 1981. I am not sure if my husband purchased it on the Navy base where he was stationed (Either Oakland or Muir Island) or in a bay area jeweler. The face is oval in shape but the oval goes horizontal. The dial is marked with lines, not numbers. The watch is not working, it was a winding watch if I recall and the stem is very loose. The “band” is actually part of the watch, making it a bracelet design. The markings on the back are:
BASE METAL TOP
4 15 26 45 FN (we think its an N but not positive)
Can you help me identify it, and also please advise how to get it running again? It is sentimental. Someone suggested years ago that I should just replace the insides with a battery operated movement but I did not want to at the time. What would you suggest? I can email photos of front and back if you want. I didn’t see anything like it on your site, but also have not seen every single photo!
Thank you very much.
Hi Nanci, thanks for visiting my blog. From the markings on the case back your watch was made in September 1977, and is a ladies hand winder using one of the the 0150 movements. This movement has a number of versions all of the same design, some had no second hand and others had slightly revised components. The movement numbers for models with no second hand are 0110, 0130, 0140, 0150, 0153 and 0170. It sounds like the movement is rather worn, so service and repair might require parts, and they are not likely to be available from parts suppliers these days. If you would like to keep it as it originally was, then the challenge is to find a working ‘donor’ watch or movement. Since ladies watches are not collected they are not seen very often. I found one movement for sale on eBay, but unfortunately it is for parts so is not working: http://www.ebay.com/itm/citizen-0153-Uhrwerk-als-Ersatzteilspender-watchmovement-for-parts/221921199116?_trksid=p2045573.c100033.m2042&_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20131017132637%26meid%3Da35bc37de3ed42fca3f5843422e970a0%26pid%3D100033%26rk%3D4%26rkt%3D4%26sd%3D401051651605
If you have a local watchmaker who could take a look at yours, he may be able to identify what’s wrong and which parts are needed, then it might be possible to determine whether a parts movement like the one on eBay would be suitable.
Thank you so much for the information! I will take it to a jeweler and go from there. My goal is just to be able to wear it and pass it down to my daughter or granddaughter at some point as a sentimental gift. Nice blog!
You’re welcome – good luck with this. Hope you can find a watchmaker who works on older watches.
I am glad to come across your Website sweep-hand.org.
I have a Citizen Watch of my father which is arround 30-35 yrs Old. below is the details ON THE CASE BACK:-
My question is the case change possible for its machine. I want to shift the machine in to todays modern case.
Plz reply soon
Hi Deepak – thanks for visiting my blog. I believe your watch is an automatic using Citizen’s 8200 movement, from 1984. Since I am always looking for all original vintage pieces I’ve no knowledge of using a replacement modern case, but if you take a look here you can get all the dimensions: http://www.ranfft.de/cgi-bin/bidfun-db.cgi?10&ranfft&0&2uswk&Citizen_8200
I was hoping you could help me figure out the date of my Citizen watch and if it is worth anything. I would greatly appreciate any information you can provide.
Back of Self Winding Watch:
Base Metal Top
4 15 32 94 FN
Hi and thank you for visiting my blog. The case back information indicates that your watch has either an 015 or 671 movement inside. This is a compact movement used in women’s watches. The model number – 86-3262 – and the case number – 4-153294 – are both typical of this movement type. As far as I know they are basically the same design, but the 671 was a later version. These movements were made in the 1970s/early 1980s, so the serial number (first 3 figures) give a production date of March 1979. The puzzling thing is that these are hand winding movements, but you describe it as self-winding, i.e an automatic.
I’m afraid, even in very good condition, these are of no great value – women’s watches are not collected so there is not really a market for them.
Thank you for getting back to me. I really appreciate the information you provided. When I stated it was “self winding”, I meant I wind it myself. I’m sorry for the puzzling information on my part. *giggling*
You’re welcome. Thanks for replying, much appreciated.
I couldn’t find the exactly same back with my watch that I’ve bought from a second hand bazaar. Could you please take a look at?
It says these with this order:
BASE METAL YP
I hope you can help me. I have a ladies gold colored watch. I cant find the clock on the Internet.
Details on the back case:
Citizen Watch Co.,
Base Metal YPM,
Japan -> 10
Have you more Details for this watch. Also possibly price information.
Hi Andreas thank you for visiting my blog and apologies for my slow reply. I’m afraid I can’t help much with relatively recent quartz models, since my area is older mainly mechanical watches. Your watch has a 5920 quartz movement, and this number forms the first part of the model number. Yours is a plated watch, and was probably made in 1999, from the first figure in the serial number. I’m afraid these models have little value these days.
Thank you for this info. For me as watch collector is this a useful info.
You’re welcome 🙂
Firstly I just wanted to say what a fantastic blog this is, keep up the good work!
Secondly I just wanted to ask if I may, I have an old citizen ’21 jewels’ automatic that I’ve recently acquired and I was just wondering if you would be able to tell me anything about it?
The info on the case back as it appears is as follows:
CITIZEN WATCH CO.
I would attatch a few images but I can’t for the life of me work out how!
Hi James, thanks for visiting my blog and for your kind comments – much appreciated 🙂 The information from your watch indicates that it is an ‘Eagle 7’ model, with the 8200 automatic movement. The case number – 4-038843 – suggests this modal. This movement was first produced in 1976 and was produced for over 30 years since it became Citizen’s ‘workhorse’ automatic, offering long term reliability and reasonable accuracy. If yours is an ‘Eagle 7’ then these were first produced in the 1980s, and given the 8 digit serial number I would think it is from 1980s. So the first three digits give a production date of November 1989. GN-4-S is the case type, meaning it is water resistant with a screw down case back. There’s more on the 8200 here: https://sweep-hand.org/2013/01/27/the-8200-movement-citizens-standard-auto/
I’m sorry about images – visitors aren’t able to post them directly here. You can post a link if you have uploaded images to somewhere like PhotoBucket.
hey u give me plzz any info about this watch
i want price of this watch
Citizen watch Co.
Thanks for visiting my blog. I’m afraid I can’t help with your watch since it is a fairly recent quartz model, and I avoid valuations. Try searching eBay for Citizen 1012 models to get an idea of value,
Hello and thank you for this informative blog! I have this Citizen watch for women:
CITIZEN WATCH CO.
BASE METAL SSG
Could you help giving it a date and a general evaluation?
How do I post photos?
Hi Matteo, thanks for visiting my blog and for your kind comment. Unfortunately I’m not so familiar with Citizen’s quartz movements, especially the more recent ones. I’ve found examples of your watch for sale on eBay and some are described as being as recent as 2000-2009. If you search using the model number (‘citizen 6000-R00413’) then you will find examples and get an idea of their value. So yours could be from 2004 (from first figure in the serial number – 4C3012223.
It’s not possible for visitors to post pictures directly here, although links to somewhere like Photobucket can be posted.
Hi bro..i want to ask u about my watch..i cant find the information about my watch..citizen crystal seven automatic 4-770145Y / 10531324
Hi Daniel – thanks for visiting my blog. I’m afraid the case back on your watch is incorrect for a Crystal Seven. Assuming that the movement is right, it will be a 52 movement, so the back should have a case number of 4-52xxxx. The 4-77xxxx back is from a later watch which would have a 77 movement inside. If you can get the back off, you will be able to find the movement number stamped near the balance and hairspring.
hi i have a citizen that shoudl be over 30 years old.
here is what it says on the back:
could you please check and tell me the model number and year of manufacuter. plus i want to know if the chain/bracelet has been changed or not so wht did the original look like.
Hi Talha – thanks for visiting my blog. From your pictures it looks like your watch doesn’t have a model number, just the case number: 4-731662. Occasionally Citizen didn’t give a model number – I don’t know why! I don’t know the quartz models so well, but I have seen similar designs to yours with 7300 movements in a 1979 catalog, so I reckon yours is most likely from March 1979. The catalog models had similar bracelets too, so I think yours is probably original.
Thanks a lot Stephen.
really appreciate your hlep
Hi Talha, hope you get this! I have the same watch (same wrist band, too), so sad it went out of order just a few weeks ago, after a restoration and years of service.
How about yours? Would you sell it?
If OK pls check and DM me on Instagram
I want to know the price of my citizen
Case back :-
Hi, thanks for visiting my blog. I’m afraid I don’t try to do valuations here. I would advise searching eBay for similar watches to yours to see what they sell for. Try searching eBay for ‘Citizen 2030’ and you will find some examples.
I’ve been given my grandfathers citizen watch and would love to know more about it. The information on the back is as follows:
Around the edge it says, PARAWATER, CITIZEN, STAINLESS STEEL.
In the middle it then has the following
I would be extremely grateful for any help you could give
Hi Debbie, thanks for visiting my blog. Your grandfather’s watch is from April 1971 – the production date is determined by the first three figures in the serial number (10437742). The movement inside is a date only 6001 automatic, which was made from 1971 until around 1975, so the year it was made can only be 1971. Although Citizen is better known for their more recent quartz and eco-drive technology, they made very nice mechanical watches in the 1960s and early 1970s. These movements are good quality, reliable and capable of very accurate time-keeping when in good condition. They run at 21,600 beats per hour, which had become the typical running speed at that time (previously it was 18,000 beats per hour).
4-600215 is the case number, which was used by watchmakers when they serviced watches to source parts if they were needed, and helps to identify the movement. 62-8018 is the model number, which is of less use, although ’62’ was used for the 6000 family of movement.
‘Parawater’ was used by Citizen before 1972/3 for ‘waterproof’, indicating that the case and glass were designed to be resistant to water and dust.
Does your grandfather’s watch have a black or silver dial? I have seen both versions.
Than you so much for your reply. It was really helpful. My grandfather had both black and silver dial versions of the watch bought on separate occasions while on holiday in Jersey . I have the silver version.
You’re welcome – neat that your grandfather had both versions 🙂
I just received my first Citizen and while searching for info on it I came across your blog. I was wondering if you could help me with some info on it….
The serial number is a little faded but I can send you pics if that would help.
Thanks in advanced!
Hi Teddy – thanks for visiting my blog. Looks to me like you have an 8200 automatic. The 8200 movement was first produced around 1976 and soon became Citizen’s ‘workhorse’ mechanical watch, in production for over 30 years. It’s a sound and reliable movement, capable of very accurate time-keeping when in good condition. There’s more info on it here: https://sweep-hand.org/2013/01/27/the-8200-movement-citizens-standard-auto/
4-286723 is the case number, and the ‘4-28′ bit is indicative of 8200 models, as is the ’71’ model number. GN-4-S is the case type, and this code indicates a water resistant design with a screw down back. 40400389 is the serial number, and we can get the production date, year and month, from the first three figures – 404. Since it’s an eight digit number, I reckon it’s a relatively early one, from April 1984. Does it have an Eagle motif on the dial as in the Eagle 7 line which was introduced in the early 1980s?
Thanks for all the great info!
It does not have an Eagle on it. The dial looks relatively new, so I was thinking that its a possible re-dial?
Hi Teddy, you’re welcome. This looks like a re-dial to me – the Citizen logo is typical of that, and the lack of a dial code is also common when dials are repainted. Stephen.
I read all your lines, but i could use your help, as i cannot identify the watch i have here.
What i know is that has been bought in Germany, and the Back Case have this:
CITIZEN WATCH CO
BASE METAL YFM
5930 – 079213M
The las line has an arrow with the number in front of it.
I you can leave me all the details you know about it, i will appreciate.
Hi Sergio, thanks for visiting my blog. Unfortunately your watch is a relatively recent quartz model, so I can’t help very much. I would guess it’s from 1998. The model number – 5930-079213 – tells us that it has the 5930 movement inside. The arrow pointing at 5 indicates the area where the back can be prised off, i.e. the 5 o’clock position. You can find some instructions and more info about the movement be finding ‘5930’ in the list of movements here: http://www.citizenwatches.co.za/instruction-manuals
I have a Citizen watch labeld as bellow:
It works perfectly , looks very good and i’m wondering how old it is and if it has any value.
Hi Uritu, thanks for visiting my blog. I have had someone ask before about this model, so here is what I said: ‘the markings on the case back give us information about the watch – the model number is 74-6355, and 4-167678 is the case number. Watches with similar numbers (model number beginning with ’74’ and case numbers with ‘4-16’) have the hand winding 51xx movements, which were first made around 1975. It is a small movement so it was used in women’s watches.’
The serial number correctly tells us yours was made in February 1980 (‘002’) and the case material code – ‘CCP’ – indicates that it is chrome plated. You don’t see these watches very often, since they were ‘entry level’ models and most probably would be discarded after a few years rather than serviced / repaired. Unfortunately women’s watches are rarely collected so they do not have any great value.
I have a Black Men’s Citizen Elegance Serial # 8020815. Other # on back is 3620. S0725. SMV. ->5. It has 4 little diamonds on front face at 3-6-9-12. It has gold hands. Any info would be appreciated.
Hi Donna -thanks for visiting my blog. Unfortunately I am not so familiar with Citizen’s quartz models, since my knowledge is mainly on their older mechanical watches. The model number of yours tells us that the movement is 3620, and the serial number suggest a production year of 1988 although I can’t be certain of that. -> 5 means that the case back can be prised off at the 5 o’clock position. I’m afraid I can’t tell you much more.
Superb blog! My question – when did Citizen start (or stop) using the Eagle motif on the 7, esp. the automatic. I’ve seen one: 4-280351 KT, serial 20802158, no mention that it’s auto on the case back and no motif on the dial. Any idea of the year?
Hi Ian, thanks for visiting my blog and for your kind comment. The Eagle 7’s were introduced in the early 1980s, and were certainly made throughout the 1980s and 1990s, but I’m afraid I don’t know exactly when they stopped, or even whether they were made into the 2000s. The early 8200s didn’t have the Eagle 7 logo, and given the markings on the one you’ve seen I would think it’s from August 1982. I have found another on the internet with the same case number, also from 1982 and that does have the Eagle 7 motif. So a question to be asked is whether the one you’ve seen has been re-dialled or re-painted – there are a lot of 8200s around with changed dials. Can you post a link to a pic of the watch?
He who hesitates … The watch has gone but it would be good to know if it was a re-dial or re-paint. It looked to be in nice condition:
Looks like a repainted dial to me. The lack of a dial code below the 6 o’clock marker is a good indicator of a repaint or a replacement. My feeling is that this was probably an Eagle 7 model originally.
Thanks so much for your informative blog!
I have been autumn cleaning and came across a Citizen watch and have no idea where I collected it from. I have been searching the net for two days and can’t seem to find one pictured that is alike and have read through your blog and can’t find one with any of the same movement numbers. I would really appreciate your help with some more information on the watch please.
The front dial face is white, Marked Citizen Quartz with a CQ emblem at base above the number 6, numeral numbered dial with a numerical date window where the “3” would be positioned. At the base of dial face in extremely small lettering is – movement Japan, dial Taiwan, P20106, 874479Z, SMO
Printed on the back casing is:
Base metal CP
It has a winder button and isn’t functioning at present.
Thank you in advance for any information you can provide.
Hi Kirsti, thanks for visiting my blog, and for your kind comment. Unfortunately I can’t help much with quartz models since my area of knowledge is primarily related to the older mechanizer models. Many thousands of quartz models have been made so they come and go very quickly, and very little if any reference material is available. Your watch uses the 2010 movement, but I’m afraid I don’t know when these were produced. The best I can do is this link to the relevant technical manual: http://www.thewatchsite.com/files/Citizen%20Technical%20Manuals/2010.pdf
Thank you so much for this information Stephen. Like I said, I have no idea where I picked this watch up and wasn’t sure if it was old or new. My watch does look similar to the one in the manual. I will put in a new battery and see if it runs. Good luck with your future endeavors 🙂
You’re welcome Kirsti – and thank you for your good wishes,
My grandfather gave me his citizen watch and if you could help me i would like to know when and where it came from. I think its from the 70s or 80s but im not sure.
In the front says : Citizen Automatic, 21 Jewels, P-8200 and 283730-KY.
And in the back:
Citizen Watch Co.
And around all this info says ALL STAINLESS STEEL/WATER RESISTANT
Thanks! Great blog
Hi Tom, thanks for visiting my blog and for your kind comment. Apologies for a slow reply. Your watch has the 8200 movement inside, which was first produced around 1976, so it can’t be earlier than that. The 8200 was produced for over 30 years, so they are difficult to date. The first three figures in the serial number – 10405155 – are used to give the production date, and since it has 9 (should it be 8?) numbers it suggests to me that it is from April 1981. Citizen had factories in Japan, Mexico and Korea, and assembled watches in Germany, but I don’t know exactly where this one was made I’m afraid.
Hello, this is a fantastic page. I hope, you can me help. I can all of my Citizen watches assign with this page. But i have watches of other manufactures. Know such sites for other watches manufacturers. I could find nothing.
Thanks for yours help.
Hi Andreas – thanks for the kind words 🙂 What other makes do you have in your collection?
Hi Stephen! What a nice blog you have here. You see, my father just gave me his late mother’s Citizen watch to me and I really like to know its production date because it is still working until now so im a bit amazed haha. So,here’s some details on the back of the watch:
BASE METAL TOP
STAINLESS STEEL BACK
4 – 230221 S
65 – 2733
And oh, in front it says 17 jewels. I really hope you still can answer my question (because all I see the comments are from 2013 until 2015 haha) Thank you so much! May god bless you!
Hi Syahirah, thanks for visiting my blog and for your kind words. Don’t worry if the dates on previous comments are older ones, I’m still here 🙂 Thank you for the information from the case back which tells us that your grandmother’s watch is a hand winding model with a 2302 movement inside – these were first made around 1975. I’m not surprised it is still running today, since Citizen’s movements from that period are of very good quality. The serial number – 6061568 – gives us the production date, which was June 1976 (‘606’) so it’s about to celebrate its 40th birthday 🙂
Thank you so much for the information! 🙂
You’re welcome 🙂
20160522_140609.jpg Hello I wonder if you can see the pictures. I hope you will help me with my questions, what do you think about this watch? Could it be a counterfeit? It is a watch I bought in India. Just incase I write down what it tells on the back case:
I would appreciate your answer. Best Regards, Joss
Hi Joss – thanks for visiting my bog. I’m afraid visitors aren’t able to post pics directly here. You can post a link if you have uploaded them somewhere, or let me know if you want me to email you so you can send them to me. Stephen
That would be great if you can email me. Thanks you for your fast response. Regards, Joss
Hi I just purchased a vintage citizen watch
CITIZEN WATCH CO.
Any information or help were I can find info would be much appreciated. As I would like a traditional strap for it. I believe the watch is late 70s but not sure.
the watch is also gold in colour. with CITIZEN Automatic and 21 jewels.
i have taken a few pictures of the watch if that is of any help identifying it.
Hi Gary, thanks for visiting my blog. Pics are helpful 🙂 Since visitors can’t post pics here directly, can you post a link if you’ve uploaded them? Or I can email you if you wish. Stephen
email would be fantastic. i am concerned also that the watch could be a fake, even though it does show signs of age.
email sent 🙂
Hello Sweephand, can you please email me so I can send the pictures? Thanks, Joss
Hi Joss – email sent, and apologies for the delay, Stephen
hola tengo un reloj que pertenecia a mi mama. solo quiero saber si es original o no?
BASE METAL YP
JAPAN – 9
es color dorado y funciona le puse pila apenas, solo quien me atendio en la nota puso imitación, asi que quiero saber. como es viejito quiero quitarme la duda obvio el papel es ya mas palido pero tiene incrustada de metaldonde marca las horas.
adelante del guion 9 es una flechita la que tiene el rejol depues de la palabra japan
en la caratula, arriba de la palabra citizen tiene dos piedritas aderidas de forma vertical . gracias espero me puedan ayudar
Hola Mariana , gracias por visitar mi blog. Disculpas por mi respuesta tardía. Por lo que puedo ver en la información que ha proporcionado el reloj es auténtico. Tiene el movimiento de 6031 en el interior, y aquí hay un enlace a la dirección técnica relevante:
Click to access 6031.pdf
A few years ago, I inherited a portion of my Grandfather’s watch collection. He had around 300 watches when he passed. There are two that I believe might be fake Citizen.. So I was wondering if you could help.
4-038282SMK.. 30300915 – 71-3686 – GN-4-S
4-063139 SMK – 00501874 – 71-2132
I’ve scoured the internet but haven’t had any luck. They are still working, so it is no big deal if genuine.. They have sentimental value. If they ever need repair, I would just rather avoid the embarrassment of taking in a fake 🙂
Thanks for any advice or direction you can give.
Hi Matthew, thanks for visiting my blog and apologies for my late reply. The case numbers (eg. 4-038282) for both watches are genuine Citizen numbers, and the model numbers (e.g. 71-3686) are also appropriate for what appear to be automatics with the 8200 movement inside. They are probably from 1983 and 1980. Without seeing the dials I can’t say whether they are all original, since many 8200’s have had replacements or repaints done. If the dials have codes printed beneath the 6 o’clock marker (usually starting with 8200-) then they are likely to be original. Lack of dial codes is often a good indication of a replacement/repaint. Stephen
I have a watch that was my grandmothers and can’t figure out the date and value.. Hoping you could help me out.. It’s a 7 jewel.. The model number is 4-041399 smw.. The other id# is 1063263 and last bottom number and letters r bx-3023..i would like to find a lil about the watch.. Hope u can help me..
Hi Robby, thanks for visiting my blog, and apologies for my late reply. I believe your watch is a women’s quartz model most likely from 1981. I think the ‘seven’ on the dial is a model name rather than jewelling. I’m afraid quartz models are not my speciality so I’m struggling to give more information. Unfortunately quartz watches do nto have any real value these days. Stephen
my citizens hv hand winding n date , numbr is 4-822285, SMW , 53-1171 n machine numbr 8260 A , what is time model n how much price now
Hi Raju, thanks for visiting my blog. Your watch is the hand winding, date only version of the 8200 automatic movement. Since it doesn’t have a serial number, it’s not possible to tell which year it was made, but most likely it was in the early to mid 1980s. I’m afraid these models do not have much value – I would advise that you search eBay for similar models in similar condition to yours to get an idea of current value.
Thanks for a great blog, loads of great information, really interesting stuff.
I am fairly new to vintage watches, but find it fascinating.
I have just purchased from eBay a couple of identical Crystal 7’s, the only difference is one has the days of the week in Spanish. I have never seen them before and can find no pictures on the internet.
The first has a plain back with the following
All stainless steel
The other has in a circle
And in the centre
They both have a black dial with day/date and Crystal Seven Automatic 21 Jewels. I can’t read the numbers under the 6 as they are so small!!
The only thing I’ve worked out is one is 1967 and the other 1969?
Any more info would be gratefully received
Hi Mark, thanks for visiting my blog and your kind comment. The case number on the first one – 0-51406 – does not look right. It should start with 4- like the second, and should have the same number if it’s the same model (although occasionally there can be alternative numbers). You are right about the production dates, but I can’t find any references to the 4-520521 model number I’m afraid. That may not be anything to worry about since there were many Crystal Seven models. The case back markings seem ok otherwise, and suggest export models since they are marked waterproof rather than parawater. I’d like to see pics of the watches – can you upload them somewhere like Photobucket and then post a link here? Stephen
Thanks for the reply, I don’t have an account with a photo site, if you email me I can send you some back if that is ok.
The first watch has been restored and the back heavily polished so hard to read, I will have another look. Under a lens it looks like an 0 but is very faint.
I have had a look at the dials under a lens and the numbers are as follows
Hope this helps
Hi Mark – email sent 🙂 The dial codes look authentic to me, so I’m interested to see the pics, Stephen
Really interesting blog, thanks! I tried to guess the age of my Citizen Quartz based on what I read on your articles:
Base metal YP
Assembled in Germany
I assume 1989, what do you think?
Hi Marion, thanks for visiting my blog and for your kind comment. I would think you are right about the date. I think ‘QC’ is not correct in the model number – I guess it is worn, but it should be a number. Stephen
Thanks Stephen. That’s weird, I can very distinctly read the QC though. Maybe they used another code at that time?
Hmmm…never seen a model number like that so I can’t suggest anything else I’m afraid, Stephen
Got a citizen $500.00 watch for 85.00 where I live , eco drive , how would I find the ser #,I know it is on the back , and the watch is great, would just like to know when it was made, that too much to ask? ,Ron, in reno
Hi Ron, thanks for visiting my blog. The Eco-drive models were first sold in Asia in 1995 and the rest of the world in 1996, so yours can’t be any earlier than that. The serial number helps to date the watch, so look for a long number on the back. The first number gives the year but you’ll need to work out whether it’s from the 1990s or 2000s, which may not be easy. If the first number is 0, 1, 2, 3, or 4 it’s not from the 1990s. Stephen
Just got a citizen watch from my grandma, tried to identify it but could not.
The text on the back is (clockwise):
citizen watch co., water resistant, GN-4-S, Japan –> 12, 308, ST. steel back, SV925, 6631-664540 Y.
Also on the strap is says: Japan 17 H. It is a club LA MER watch. It has 17 jewels.
Thanks for your help.
Hi Noah, thanks for visiting my blog. The Club La Mer range is more recent than my collection so I am not very familiar with them. Your watch has a silver case and uses the 6631 hand winding movement. I believe the La Mer models are from the late 1980s and 1990s. I have seen one of these, identical to yours, described by a knowledgeable Japanese seller as from 1987 (there is no serial number on the exhibition case back so an exact date is not possible). ‘GN-4-S’ is the case type meaning it is a water resistant design, whilst ->12 indicates where the back can be levered off. ‘SV925’ is the mark for sterling silver (i.e. 92.5% silver) and the watch would have been quite expensive to buy when new. Hope this helps, Stephen
I have a question, I have a Square Custom, the movement is 4-521307 Y. So from what I’ve read, the watch was made not earlier than 1965, right?
And the serial number is 00100499, based on the first 0, can I asume that this watch was made I’m 1970? And bases by the 01 would it be from January?
Thank you so much for all the useful information in this article.
Have a great day.
Hi Al – thanks for visiting here. You’re absolutely right about the movement and the production date 🙂
Hello. Could you please help me with more info about my watch please?
GP CITIZEN 6800 4-167171 SMO 5040212
75-3106 21 JEWELS
Any info would be greatly appreciated 🙂
Hi Shalom, thanks for visiting my blog. Can I just check something – is ‘6800’ correct, or could it be ‘6600’? I know 6800 is a quartz movement, but of course that wouldn’t have 21 jewels 🙂
Hello I need help to identify my citizen watch. I red information above but I still have a problem to identify it. Could you help me?
CITIZEN WATCH CO.
BASE METAL CP
According to information above there should be the manufacturers serial number on the case. But there is not any number. Does it mean that my Citizen is a fake?
Hi, thanks for visiting my blog. The model / case number (P070-312783) is unusual and I can’t find a reference for it. It can sometimes be hard to read worn numbers and sometimes no serial number is marked. Can you tell me what is on the dial?
Thank you for your reply. I sent to you email with pictures in attachment but I am not sure if you received it.
JAPAN 6-311016 YN- this is the number on the dial. Maybe it will helps.
Hi Przemyslaw, I’m afraid it’s not possible for visitors to post pics here. Shall I email you so that you can send the pictures direct to me?
Hi my citizen pendant watch has a blue face its automatic with a doubke white libe horizontically in the middle with the words and numbers japan 6-150292 gb on the front and citizen watch co base metal top 4-150716 gd then 86-1375 then 5100189 the r.p running from top to bottom of the back of the case ..can anyone help me identify year model etc thanks maria
Hi Maria, thanks for visiting my blog. Your pendant watch won’t have a model name as such. 86-1375 is the model number, which most probably indicates that inside is an 015 movement, a small (of course!) hand winding movement made in the mid 1970s. 4-150716 is the case number, which would be used to source parts if needed.The first three figures in the serial number (5100189) tell us that the watch was made in October 1975.
HI, NI HAO,! I have a watch.
hope you help me:
ALL STAINLESS STEEL
Hi, thanks for visiting my blog. I think the movement in your watch is a 6600, a hand winding high-beat (28,800 beats per hour) model first made in 1970. These were known in Japan as ‘Cosmostars’. The serial number indicates it was made in August 1970.
I recently bought a hand winding ladies citizen online as a gift and was wondering on the approx. age of it. I think either 1970 or 1980, but I don’t know how to find out information on the movement.
The back says:
BASE METAL TOP
ST. STEEL BACK
I also wonder what SMW stands for. I assume GP is gold plating?
Thanks in advance!
Hi Tamsin, thanks for visiting my blog. Your watch is from January 1980. The case number – 4-168151 – means that inside is an 015 movement, which was first made around 1975. As far as I know it won’t have still been in production in 1990, so that gives us 1980. ‘GP’ does refer to gold plate, whilst ‘SMW’ is possibly a factory code, although I can’t be sure.
Hope this helps, Stephen
Afternoon my wife has inherited her nans citizen watch. She would really appreciate any info you could provide please. It has the following markings
Citizen watch co
Base metal pdpg
Japan > 12
Hi Jason, thanks for visiting my blog. I’m afraid I can’t help very much with more recent quarts models. I can tell you that your wife’s watch has a 3220 movement inside, and was probably made in 1995, or possibly 1985. I think the case material code indicates a palladium coated case with gold bezel. ‘->12’ indicates that the back can be prised off at the 12 o’clock position. Here’s a link to the relevant technical manual:
Click to access 3220.pdf
Can u pl give me info on GP CITIZEN 6800 4-167155 SMB 501 75-3025
Hi Tina, thanks for visiting my blog, and apologies for my slow reply. Your watch is a quartz with the 6800 movement inside, and I’m afraid I don’t know so much about them. For more technical info here’s a link to the relevant manual: http://www.thewatchsite.com/files/Citizen%20Technical%20Manuals/6800.pdf
First of all I would like to sincerely thank the creator of this blog. I was reading through all Q&As and I am very impressed with the enthusiasm that you have in watches and intend to help others with their specific questions.
I have a citizen watch passed on to me from my father and i know for a fact he wore it for atleast 40 yrs. I want to know when was this made and what caliber machine it has. By the way I am wearing this watch and its working great. This is self winding automatic watch
Back of the watch : | CITIZEN | AUTOMATIC | GN-3-5 | PARAWATER |
Watch dial says CITIZEN AUTOMATIC and I guess it has 7star logo on it with ’21 JEWELS’ written on it
Hi Rasu, thanks for visiting my blog, and for your kind comment. Good to know your father’s watch is still working well 🙂 I can tell you what the case back indicates, but I’m afraid it is not consistent with what is on the dial. The case number – 4-770099 – is for a 77 high beat movement with 26 jewels, as used in one of the ‘Leopard’ models. Here’s an original catalog pic of the watch, it’s the middle one in the top row:
The ‘TGP’ code goes with this case, i.e. bezel is gold plated, and the 77 movements have the crown at the 4 o’clock position. If your case is different then the wrong case back has been fitted at some point. From your description, the dial is from a Seven Star model, with 21 jewels. There should be a dial code on the dial, below the 6 o’clock marker. If you can let me know what that is (you will probably need a magnifier to see it properly) we may be able to identify what movement is inside. The case back you have is from June 1971, but since that doesn’t seem to be correct, it doesn’t help with dating the watch accurately.
Yes, it has similar looks with the watches above, with crown on 4 o’clock. But it is made up of steel without any gold plating in it. I found the number below 6 o’clock. It says:
JAPAN 7200 725554-Y
I could not figure out to post picture in the post so here is the Facebook link to it. I have posted it on vintage citizen group.
I am now positive that the watch could be 1971 made since it goes with the history of 40+ yrs of usage. Also I noticed that the 7 star logo I feel is a bit different that the actual 7 star citizen watches. The # 7 in the logo is not obvious 7 in mine. I hope the pictures that I have posted on the link above would be helpful.
It’s funny but I really get excited when I have conversation about watches with someone who knows more in depth about each details. You are awesome! Thanks again for your quick reply Stephen.
Hi Rasu, thanks for the additional info, and the link to your photos. Unfortunately visitors aren’t able top post pics directly on this blog. The dial code confirms that the watch has one of the 72 movements inside, which has 21 jewels. The logo on the dial was used for export models, with no model name on the dial. Domestic watches would be marked Seven Star V2 or Custom V2. They are ‘V2’ because the earlier Seven Star & Custom models used the earlier 52 movements. So, this does mean that the case back on yours is not the correct one – for some reason it has been replaced at some stage. 1971 is very likely to be the year of production of yours, even though you don’t have the original serial number to be sure. I’ve found another example of yours, which has the case number 4-722109, and it is from 1971:
Given that the serial number is kind of similar it may be a watchmaker has been careless when doing a service!
I see, so it is a V2 model. Now I love my watch more for a fact that i know about history and of course it has sentimental values since it is been passed on to me from my father. Thanks to you for sharing all the information! The watch is in working condition and i feel it runs a min behind after couple of days. But i am planning to use it until it completely stops working. Thanks again Stephen for all your help.
You’re welcome Rasu – wear your watch in good health 🙂 Stephen
Hi i am onder.l want my citizen watch productions date.My watch model automatic stainless 4-038801 smt. 00430285.
71-4933. GN-4W-5 Do you help me for this.thanks so much for this
Hi Onder, thanks for visiting my blog. You have an 8200 automatic, made in April 1980. Stephen
i have a crystal 7 auto with these ID marks, can you give any information, please?
and it is marked parawater
Hi Art, the Crystal 7 line was launched in 1965 and was a success for Citizen. They were made up to the end of the 1960s and used the 52 movement which had many variants. There’s some info here: https://sweep-hand.org/2011/06/23/this-weeks-featured-watch-8-the-crystal-seven-27-jewels/ and the ’52 Family Tree’ link in the blog roll also shows the line-up.
Yours is a gold plated model with the older style model/case number (ACSG-2904). The serial number gives a production date of October 1968.
And also, Stephen, the crystal of my watch is very flat with sharpish edge is this correct for the model? And i must say, the dial and hands are in remarkable condition considering its approaching 50 yrs old, so the crystal has done a good job.
Hi Art – yes flat glass sounds right, and they do have a sharp edge. The ‘Crystal’ name was used because these were Citizen’s first model to use hardened mineral glass. And good to hear the face and hands are in good condition 🙂
Hi, I’m trying to find out the date my watch was made. The serial number is 0051689. I understand the first number is the ending number of the year, but I don’t know if it means 70, 80, or what. How do you tell?
Hi Lisa, thanks for visiting my blog. Good question! The only way to pin down the production year is to know what decade the movement was made. I may be able to help if you describe as fully as possible what is on the watch dial and the case back – if it is a mechanical watch. There have been so many quartz models made that it is very difficult to date them, unless they are the very early ones. Stephen
Great blog and amazing information
I am afraid I am lost looking for the right crystal replacement for this piece: Vintage Citizen compressor style diver 4-520343 Y
Would you please let me know the right reference and, if possible, where to find it out?
Thanks in advance
Hi John – thanks for visiting my blog, and for your kind comment. The crystal for this model is plastic, and the part number is 54-0145. These days it is incredibly hard to find an original replacement. How bad is it? Plastic crystals can be polished fairly easily if the scratches aren’t too deep. Stephen
Thank you so much for your fast reply. I will follow your advice
You’re welcome, and good luck with the crystal
Hi , can you plz give me any information about a watch , that was left to me , it’s a wind up , silver , with a stretchable wrist band , each p piece of the band has writing and it’s got a white face not with numbers only a line , and the only word on the watch front is citizen the back doesn’t have anything around the edges Citizen watch co base metal top st. steel back4-167635. SMW 2019158. 75-0255. Cop. Thank you
Hi Liane, thanks for visiting my blog. Your watch has a 6710 movement inside, a small hand winding movement designed for women’s watches. The movement is a later development of one that was first made around 1975. These smaller watches usually didn’t have a model name on the dial, so like yours they simply have the company logo on the dial. The model number – 75-0255 – is not very helpful these days, but the case number – 4-167635 – helps to identify the movement. The first three figures in the serial number (2019158) give the production date, which is January 1982. The movement wasn’t made before 1980 or so, and I don’t think it was used in the 1990s, so that makes it most likely that it was from the 1980s.
I’ve recently acquired this manual wind Citizen from the 70’s (as described by the seller) in New Old Stock condition:
Caseback shows this:
2520 (this is the movement i believe)
It doesn’t have a serial number as you can see. The only information I got was from the movement here: http://www.ranfft.de/cgi-bin/bidfun-db.cgi?10&ranfft&&2uswk&Citizen_2520&
The dial shows:
Citizen (not applied I believe)
Japan 2520 6-200257
Also noticed that a lot of these models are sold in India at NOS condition which leads me to believe a lot of these are floating around Southeast Asia that were unsold for 30 years or so. It’s sold for 15 dollars to 50 dollars (I got mine for 50 here in the US). I know it’s not a rare or important piece but it looks cool and the condition is great considering its age.
Is this a legit Citizen watch? Having no serial # – should I be concerned about this?
Hi Maripido, thanks for visiting my blog. This watch looks original to me. The case back markings look authentic, and sometimes on ‘entry level’ watches serial numbers weren’t used. The 2520 movement is an inexpensive hand winder, and the printed dial is consistent with that. Re-done dials are common from Indian sellers, but this one looks to have a proper dial code, which suggests it’s original. The case lines are sharp and the brushed finish is there, so the case has not been polished. I think describing it as ‘NOS’ is somewhat generous though, there are clearly some small marks, but nevertheless it is in good condition. So I don’t think you should be concerned.
thank you so much, Stephen. I also got this Cosmotron btw – http://www.ebay.com/itm/272456272066?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT. Officially my first two vintage Citizens. Can’t wait or them to be delivered. 🙂
You’re welcome 🙂 The Cosmotron is a good choice, I am wearing a ‘Special’ at the moment. High quality watch and good to see yours has the original solid link bracelet. Stephen
Hi Stephen. A pleasant day! Can you please take a look at this Citizen watch? I tried searching it online but couldn’t find anything similar. Any information regarding to this watch is greatly appreciated. Would also love to know how old this watch is. Thanks in advance!
Hi Jordan – could you please tell me what is printed on the dial, i.e. the small print under the 6 o’clock marker, I can’t make it out from the pic. This can help identify the watch properly.
Hello Stephen! It’s P-8200-R18565-KY.
Hi Jordan, thanks for dial code. This confirms that the watch has an 8200 automatic movement inside. These movements were first sold around 1976, and were then in production for over 30 years. In the 1980s they were used in the ‘Eagle 7’ line and the Eagle 7’s are the ones most commonly seen for sale these days. Citizen also made some with ‘Crystal 7’ dials like yours, imitating the original Crystal 7 range that they made in the mid 1960s. These are rarer than the Eagle 7’s, although they used the same cases, just a different dial. I reckon yours was made in March 1983.
Great blog by the way. Very informative. 🙂
Thanks Jordan 🙂
Hi I have recently bought a Citizen Quartz watch I found at a Garage sale. Above the company name it says XII And on the back it says Water Resist 1022-H14231 HSB 227859 GN-O-S->12 MOV’T Japan was wondering year make and what the base metal was.
Hi Aaron, thanks for visiting my blog. I’m afraid I don;t know too much about Citizen’s quartz models, but I would think yours is from 1992. i don’t know exactly what ‘base metal’ is, but I think it is a nickel alloy.
Hello Sweephand, can you please give me Information about my Citizen Automatic.
On the back case :
4-5400 18T , Automatic,00103436, 62-7038
On the dial:
Sorry, the Serial No. was wrong.Its 01003436
Hi Michael, thanks for visiting my blog. Your watch is from January 1970, and is an export model of what would have been called a Crystal Date in the Japanese domestic market. The 5400 movement it uses is the date only version of the the 52xx series, most frequently seen in the Crystal Seven watches first made in 1965. The lack of a model name on the dial, and the ‘waterproof’ marking indicates a watch made for export. As you can see ‘parawater’ is on the back, which was Citizen’s word for waterproof. These terms had to be dropped in favour of water ‘resistant’ at the latest by 1972/3, so even if the production date of the movement isn’t known, the use of ‘proof’ helps date the watch. Since these movements were not made before 1965 it must have been made in 1970 (from the first figure in the serial number). ’62-7038′ is the model number, which isn’t that helpful these days, unlike the case number – 4-540018 – which helps with the movement id. More info on where the 54 movement fits in can be found in the 52/Seven Star Family Tree, see here: https://sweephand.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/52familytree-v2secure.pdf
Thanks Stephen for your helpfull Information. GREAT BLOG !!!
You’re welcome Michael – and thanks for your kind comment 🙂 Stephen
Hi, my watch saysOn backCitizenco.WaterRestent Base Metal Yp1032_k12436ck
GN_Q_s>10 thank you for your help.
Hi Robert, thanks for visiting my blog. I’m afraid I don’t know too much about more recent quartz models like yours, which I think has a small movement as used in women’s watches. Citizen have made many thousands of quartz watches once the technology was refined and mass produced, and there is very little information available on them. I think the 1032 movement is a derivative of the 1030 movement, and here’s a technical manual for information: http://www.thewatchsite.com/files/Citizen%20Technical%20Manuals/1030.pdf
I’m afraid I don’t know exactly when this movemnt was made, but I would guess yours is from 1991. Stephen
I’m gave the best offer for this particular Cosmotron – http://www.ebay.com/itm/NOS-Citizen-Cosmotron-X8-Electronic-Quartz-Watch-uhr-MOT/272424058953?_trksid=p2050601.c100085.m2372&_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D37338%26meid%3D2bd14eb91f094fcaa490a9a6696798cd%26pid%3D100085%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D4%26sd%3D272424058953%26clkid%3D1166416023757043044&_qi=RTM2247625
First off, it’s NOS and has the box and papers and price tag. But what’s particularly interesting about this piece is that it has a see-through case back. The problem though is I can’t find the serial number of this thing. Is this legit? Would you know how or where to find the serial number of this piece? Thanks in advance.
PS. I’m officially addicted to pre-quartz Citizen electric watches 🙂
Hi Maripido – that Cosmotron is fine. The glass back is correctly marked with the case number, and the additional letter ‘K’ after ‘SS’ denotes an ‘exhibition’ back. See the same thing on my skeleton model: https://i1.wp.com/i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk252/Sweephand/Skeleton/4-760182back.jpg Unfortunately glass backs don’t have serial numbers, so you can’t get a specific production date. As you probably know already, the 4840 movement was the first X8 / Cosmotron to have a date complication and was launched in 1970. The 78xx movements soon superseded the 48xx – in 1971 – since there was only a short production run you have a good idea of its age to within a year or two.
Thanks, Stephen. Yeah I figured it was from 1970-71 (based on your Cosmotron article). What’s also curious about it is the bracelet – the clasp isn’t signed on the outside but signed in the inside. I’ve done some research on this and I have not seen any Cosmotron bracelet that’s unsigned. Have you seen this before? Do you think the clasp was swapped out?
BTW I got it for 500 bucks. I do hope it’s still a good deal given that it’s NOS with box and everything in it
I can’t be 100 percent sure about the bracelet. Certainly most Cosmotrons have the logo stamped on the clasp, but I don’t think this is always the case. I have examples with ‘Citizen’ stamped on the clasp which I am sure are original. It looks like the one on yours is solid link so it is a good quality bracelet, although the plain clasp is unusual. I can’t say I’ve seen this style of bracelet on a Cosmotron, but please bear in mind I’m sure I have not seen them all! I am a bit concerned about the fit of the end links from the seller’s pics but once you have it you may be able to judge better how well the end links fit and whether or not they look right.
You’ve paid a strong price, but if you hold on to it and keep it pristine it should be a decent investment.
thanks, Stephen. I’ll message the seller to see what’s up. In any case, it’s still a good buy considering it’s pristine and it includes box, papers, price tag etc. He also has another cosmotron for sale on his eBay page, but that one has the signed clasp on.
I’ll let you know how it goes. Thanks again! More power to you
Good luck with your negotiations! I’ve had a look at the other Cosmotron, and it looks all original to me, but the bracelet looks to me to have been quite heavily polished (see how the links are rounded off somewhat), and I wonder whether the case has also been polished – the brushing looks a little too coarse, and the case may have been reduced in size. I haven’t got a pic of this model, but I have one of the gold plated version on the same type of bracelet.
thanks, Stephen! So I talked to the seller – he didn’t want to lower the price since he claims he got it for 400 dollars. So we compromised…he had another cosmotron (not for sale) which had the correct clasp. He agreed to put that on mine. He sent me a pic of it and it looked good. I hope it looks good in person with the Cosmotron clasp
Does mine look polished to you? Now that we don’t know if the band is orginal to the watch, I feel like I may have overpaid for this piece.
thanks, Stephen! So I talked to the seller – he didn’t want to lower the price since he claims he got it for 400 dollars. So we compromised…he had another cosmotron (not for sale) which had the correct clasp. He agreed to put that on mine. He sent me a pic of it and it looked good. I hope it looks good in person with the Cosmotron clasp
Does the case on mine look polished to you? Now that we don’t know if the band is orginal al to the watch, I feel like I may have overpaid for this piece.
Sounds good that you’ll get a signed clasp, and no it doesn’t look polished to me.
Happy Holidays Stephen. I just received a watch that I’m told was my father’s (he passed away in 1976). I was trying to date the watch when I discovered your very informative blog (thank you), but I ran into a huge snag…the watch doesn’t have a serial number (at least I don’t think so), and this is coupled with the fact that it’s a quartz watch (as a mechanical engineer I do understand your lack of interest in quartz watches). But I thought I’d ask anyway since 2 days of searching has been fruitless. I think I only really need to know if the watch was made before 1976, that it could have been my dad’s. If it’s pre-1976, any information would be icing on the cake.
Info on the FRONT of the watch reads:
Info on the BACK of the watch reads:
1. WATer resistanT (I am assuming it reads that because a round metallic “tape” is covering the lower case letters…see picture)
2. BASe metAL (again, the metallic “tape” is covering some letters)
The clasp is stamped CITIZEN.
I posted pictures of the watch here:
If there’s anything I need to have done such as remove the back or remove the metallic “tape” on the back to help the investigation, please let me know. Also, would you happen to know what/why that metallic “tape” is there? I think I saw someone else’s photo with a similar non-metallic “tape” on the back.
Hi Ron, thanks for visiting my blog and for your kind comments. First of all you have correctly read the markings on the case back, so no need to remove the tape. To be honest I’m not sure exactly what that is – new watches usually have a clear plastic disk attached to protect the back, which can be peeled off if preferred, so maybe the metal disk does the same. Although my collection ends with the electro-mechanical and tuning fork watches, I am familiar with the earliest quartz movements which were first sold in 1974. In fact Citizen’s first quartz analogue watch at that time was a hybrid movement with a very fast moving hairspring! As with all Citizen watches the early quartz movements were given numerical id’s, and at that time they were variations of 85xx, 86xx, 88xx and 90xx. The watch you have uses the 6100 movement, which I am sure is a later one. I have had a few questions from visitors about the 6100, and as far as I can be sure, it is from the 1980s. The style of the case is also typical of that decade, and I’ve seen examples with a conventional serial number indicationg 1985 and I think 1989. The lack of a serial number on yours means we can’t pin the production date down, although I am certain it is not from the 1970s. ‘AD5303-50’ looks like a model number, but I’m afraid it’s not a style I know. I hope this helps, Stephen
Stephen, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU! Yes, it’s disappointing that it couldn’t have been my father’s, but it would have been wrong for me to relish it without some basic research (thanks to you). I searched your blog for a Donation and/or Tips button and I can’t seem to find it. Can you please point it out to me or private message. Situations like this, I feel that if we were in a bar (pub?), I’d certainly buy you a beer with much appreciation. Happy Holidays and thank you. Ron
Hi Ron – you’re very welcome. It is very kind of you to offer a donation, but I am happy just to help people out who are interested in old Citizen watches. Getting feedback like yours is more than enough! I’d love to have a pint with you though 🙂
Have a good Christmas, and all the best for 2017. Stephen
Happy Holidays! After some fervent searching, I’ve come across your blog, and err, I hope you don’t mind, but can you help me find out what year mine was made? It was recently gifted by my mother and she’s had it for years but doesn’t seem to remember exactly when.
It has the following details at the back:
CITIZEN WATCH CO.
BASE METAL YP
JAPAN => 10
Hi Nicole, thanks for visiting my blog, and Season’s Greetings to you 🙂 I’m afraid I’m not so familiar with quartz models, but I have been asked about this movement (2200) before and I came to the conclusion that they were made in the mid-1980s. The first three figures of the serial number help with the date so I reckon yours is from April 1986. There’s more technical info on the movement here: http://www.thewatchsite.com/files/Citizen%20Technical%20Manuals/2200.pdf
Hi! I was hoping you could help me in identifying the make and model of this vintage citizen watch. It’s a square black faced automatic 21 jewels one.
Case back appears as follows:
Hi Frances, thanks for visiting my blog. I’m afraid I don’t have access to my reference material for a few days. I hope to reply by the end of the week. Stephen
Hi Frances – I can now give some information about your watch. From the case number (4-663357) it looks like you have a ‘Cosmostar V2’, which is a woman’s watch with the 6600 automatic movement (it will have both day and date if it’s a 6600). The model name may not be on the dial if it was made for export, since Citizen often did that. This is an interesting movement, with 21 jewels, running at 28,800 beats per hour, so it is a high beat watch. This movement was first made around 1970, so yours is from June 1974 (from first three digits of the the serial number – 40603602). ‘GN-4-S’ is the case type, indicating a water resistant design. I think the model number is actually 64-2075 since the 6600 models were typically designated as ’64-xxxx’.
The movements in these are great, running at 8 beats per second, which is 28,800 beats per hour. Standard watch movements at that time ran at 18,000 or 21,600 beats per hour. Here’s a post I did about one of these Cosmostars:
Thank you so much for the reply. I really could not find any information regarding the watch since it was pretty old. This watch was given by my late grandfather to my grandmother.
Thanks again. My apologies for the very late reply. Work has been keeping me from going stuff that I actually want to do.
Mary Frances A. Bernardo MD, FPCEM
Hi Frances, you’re welcome 🙂 Thanks for finding time to post your comment here, it is much appreciated. Stephen
Hi, I was wondering if you can help me determine the year or anything else about this watch I have. It’s a ladies watch. Back reads:
Base metal YP
Thank you so much.
Hi Rose, thanks for visiting my blog. I am not very familiar with quartz watches I’m afraid. Your watch has the 3220 moveemnt and I would think it is from 1996. For more detailed information, here is the relevant technical manual: http://www.thewatchsite.com/files/Citizen%20Technical%20Manuals/3220.pdf
Hi not sure if you mistakenly replied to me instead of Sandra. Can you confirm the information on your reply is for me? Thanks.
Hi Rose, oops, I’m sorry about that. I copied and pasted from an earlier reply to a comment about the same movement, but failed to edit it properly! The info is correct though. I’m sorry I can’t be of more help, but my collection and reference material is about pre-1980 watches and there is little out there about later quartz pieces. Stephen
My father left me a few watches when he passed recently and I have been sourcing information on them, I have got all of them but one Citizen and I was wondering if you could help. I was after age mainly, but any info would be great.
On the back is the following info:
Citizen Watch Co.
Base Metal YP
Japan (Right Arrow) 12
Any info would be greatly appreciated, love your work on this blog BTW!!
Hi Andrew, thanks for visiting my blog and for your kind comment. Your watch is a quartz model, with a 6031 movement. This movement was produced in the late 1980s / early 1990s, so, using the first three figures in the serial number, yours was made in June 1990. For info, -> 12 indicates where there is a small indent in the case back so it can be prised off, i.e. the 12 o’clock position. Here’s the relevant tech manual which helps if you need a battery etc: http://www.thewatchsite.com/files/Citizen%20Technical%20Manuals/6031.pdf
Can you please help me identify my wife’s Citizen watch. This is what appears on the back –
BASE METAL TOP
STAINLESS STEEL BACK
4 – 101243TA
It is a rectangular watch with a black face and gold hands and markings. The glass has gold stripes on it.
It would fantastic to know something about this watch.
Thank you so much.
Hi Alan, thanks for visiting my blog. This is a quartz watch, and I don’t have much reference material on them I’m afraid, other than the very early ones. There’s not much info on the web either, since quartz watches, especially women’s models, are not collected. The numbers on the back are the case number (4-101243), the model number (49-2248) and the serial number (0091771). This last one helps date the watch – using the first three figures, 009 – which tell us that it was made either in September 1980 or 1990. I’m afraid I can’t help more than this.
I have one twice inherited I’m trying to value and i can’t find one line it anywhere. .all the guy at the jewelry store said it’s definitly a nice watch and is quite valuable. .okay just realized this is for comment. .can someone her back to me? Via email?
Hi Will, thanks for visiting my blog. If you post all the detail;s fo your watch here, I can see if I can help. Need to know what’s on the dial, including the dial code if it has one (printed very small at the bottom of the dial) and all the marks on the case back. Stephen
New to blogging. .how do I post pics?
Sorry Will, but it’s not possible for visitors to post pics direct. You can post a link if you have images stored somewhere like PhotoBucket, or I can email you and you can send them to me and I can post them here. Let me know and I’ll email you if you prefer that. Stephen
Hi , can you plz give me any information about a watch
On the back is the following info :
WATER RESISTENT CITIZEN STAINLESS STEEL 6501 4-651642 TA AUTOMATIC 40100356 61-8713
Hi Awan, thanks for visiting my blog. Your watch is an automatic with Citizen’s 6501 movement inside. This calibre was made for a relatively short time in the mid 1970s, so the serial number on yours (40100356) tells us that it was made in January 1974. There’s a bit more info on the movement here: https://sweep-hand.org/2011/10/19/this-weeks-featured-watch-15-6501-with-tungsten-bezel/
Hello, I have a Citizen watch i would like some information about. On the face it has Citizen Quartz under the 12 and a CO above 6 (the c goes trough the o) on the back CITIZEN WATCH CO. BASE METAL YP ( i know the YP stands for Gold Plated) numbers 6087-979968 KT and 90200505. Just wondering about the watch and all. Any info would be nice. Thanks.
Hi John, thanks for visiting my blog. My collection and knowledge is primarily about mechanical movements, but I try to help with quartz too. ‘6087-979968’ would indicate that there is a 6087 movement inside, but I can’t find references to this. Can you please check that this is definitely the number on the case back. Also can you see a small number printed on the dial, just below the 6 o’clock marker. I think the ‘O’ on the dial is actually a ‘Q’, i.e. Citizen Quartz.
Hi Stephen,thanks for the help.I just bought a Crystal Seven.I need to replace the glass,the model is AC55 2804-Y . How can I know the good part number ?
Hi David, sorry for my slow reply. The original part number for that model is 54-6011. BTW the model number is ACSS (rather than 55) 🙂 Stephen
I have this Citizen watch with the number serial number starting with 601-0412 and the case number is 82-4429 and it has a weird logo in the front can you tell me the year of this Citizen watch and what does the logo mean
Hi Lena – thanks for visiting my blog. I think the model number is missing something – is it 6010? If so that’s the model number and shows that there is a 6010 quartz movement inside. I’m not so familiar with quartz watches, and a can’t say anything about the logo without seeing it – can you post a link to an uploaded photo, and one of the case back if possible? Stephen
Hi Stephen, just wondering if you could help identify the movement etc for this watch, there are no dial markings so likely a repaint?
Case Number: 4-283520KT
Judging from what i have read above , im guessing a Feb 1982 watch? Determining the movement from the above info is a mystery to me however.
Hi James, thanks for visiting my blog. Firstly, if there are literally no dial markings then it is a repaint. The case back markings are indicative of an 8200 movement – for example the ’71’ prefix to the model number, and a 4-28xxxx case number were used on 8200s, so yours should be an automatic with day and date complications. And yes I think you’re right about the production date being 1982, but August (’08’) of that year. Stephen
Dear sir, I have a citizen, nr. 4-821050 smh backplate, but: It has a LEFT hand knob. Do any one know what this is and out of what year? Many thanks in advance! Greets, Gerard.
Hi Gerard, thanks for visiting my blog. Your watch is a bit of a puzzle – images I’ve found of the 4-821050 case show a conventional winder at the 3 0’clock position. It is a date only hand winding model, with the 8260 movement inside. The only left winders I’ve seen that I can recall have been relatively recent ProMaster divers, which use a version of the 8200 automatic movement with day and date, and they have the winder at the 8 o’clock position. Have you any photos of the watch? It’s not possible for you to post them here, but if you have uploaded them you can post a link here. I would be interested to see the watch. Stephen
Dear Sweephand: Thanks for the answer! Do you have an email? Than I can send you some pics. Greets: Gerard.
Hi Gerard, ok I’ll send you an email later. Stephen
Hi Stephen. I sent you a mail with pictures, greets, Gerard.
Thanks Gerard – just replied 🙂 Stephen
Good day Stephen. Thanks for your mail! And what manufacturing date do you guess? And the date runs as new. Greets, Gerard.
Hi Gerard, you’re welcome. I would think it is from the very late 1970s/early 1980s. Stephen
Thanks for your comment, and much success with your collection and blog. Greets, Gerard. (Y mi lisonjas por vuestra lingua Española, a donde aprendistes?) Gerardo, marinero retirado……
You’re welcome. Mi español se consigue completamente a través del traductor de Google! Afortunadamente parece que funciona bastante bien 🙂 Stephen
Hello again Stephen,
can you help me with a strange citizen i have recently acquired…? here goes…the centre of the case back has “Citizen ” logo, beneath that is the number 1212 and beneath that is the number 71001805. Then around the perimeter “Shock Proof GP Stainless Steel Back Water Dust Protected” On the dial “Citizen 17 jewels” above the hands axis and beneath ” Waterprotected Unbreakablespring Shockproof”.
Looking forward to any assistance you can offer,
Hi Art – good to hear from you 🙂 Your watch is an export model, and is marked correctly on the dial and back for one of these hand winding models. I’m not sure why they have 1212 on the back, but I have seen one or two others. This type of watch often had the 02 ‘Homer’ movement inside, but they are quite small I think so could even have the 1910 movement which is a smaller calibre. Have you been able to open the the case? Stephen
Yes, Stephen I opened the case and I can see 0201 ( Homer is it?) stamped under the balance wheel. You are right, quite a small watch. Its nice and clean in there but unfortunately the winding stem and crown are AWOL. Any idea as to the age? is it 1967?
Thank you for your reply
Yes, that’s a Homer ‘movement’ and it’s from October 1967. The winding stem is part # 065-63 or 065-07 – there are a couple of 07’s for sale on eBay at the moment (just search for Citizen 065-07). Stephen
Hi Stephen, first of all, congratulations for your page!!! I really loved it, and thanks for all the info and hard work you share in it.
I have a vintage Citizen Quartz Seven (it was from my grandparent), and I’m still confused about the info it has on the back to know the model, date, etc of it.
In the back, it shows the following info (I will try to put the info I learned from your post, let me know if its ok):
Citizen – Manufacturer
Watch Co. – Case Factory Mark (?)
Base Metal Top – Case Front Material
St. Steel Back – Case Back Material
4-058793 SMW – Case Number / Movement (?)
3090535 – Serial Number
AX-3045 – Model Number (?)
GP – Case Material Code (Gold Plated)
It would be great if you can help me determine model and dates for this watch since I will try to restore it (not myself) and any further information would be very helpful!
Thanks in advance!
Greetings from Argentina! 😉
Hi Fernando – thanks for visiting my blog and for your kind comment. Unfortunately Citizen’s quartz models, except for the very early ones, are later than my collecting and reference period which is up to 1980. So I can only offer my opinion on yours based on my best guess since I don’t have any reference information on this particular watch. But I do know that Citizen produced a quartz movement in the 1980s which was used in ‘Seven’ models and was the first to have a longer life battery of 8 years. Prior to that batteries were likely to last only up to 2 years or so. This movement was the ‘1400’ and I see that the dial code on yours gives the movement reference of 1430 (I think I read it correctly – I saw the pics in your post on the SCWF). I’ve seen some ‘Sevens’ with a different movement but the code on your dial indicates that yours is a version of the 1400 movement. So I would say yours is from the 1980s, which is supported by the style of the case / model / serial numbers. The first three figures in the serial number give the production date, so if I’m right that it is a 1980s watch, then it is from September 1983.
Here’s the relevant technical manual for your info: http://www.thewatchsite.com/files/Citizen%20Technical%20Manuals/1400.pdf
Hi Stephen, thank you so much for your time and answers! you are very kind in sharing your knowledge!
I kept searching about this model, and I have some other questions you may be able to help me with. I’m posting two links, one with my post in SCWF (with pictures), and one for the closest model I found so far (it is the same model but with small details difference).
– My watch doesn’t have a “second hand”? It only has hours and minutes hands, but I don’t know if it broke or if it’s like this.
– It’s possible that this watch came with a Miyota Co. movement? Or it´s probably a replacement that was done in the past? Like you said in your previous answer this watch it´s from September 1983, but I read in a forum that Citizen acquired Miyota in the 2000´s.
– And the last question is about the leather straps. Do you know if the leather straps from Citizen had the brand mark printed? Mines has a “Richard Marcell” mark on it which I thought it was a replacement, but later I saw a couple of Citizen watches (here in Argentina) with the same leather straps brand, which it keeps sounding me quite weird.
Thanks in advance again! and I will keep you posted with this watch restore in case you are interested.
Hi Fernando – you’re welcome 🙂 Thanks for the links to the images. Firstly, the similar model looks like a later model, and uses a different movement. The dial code shows the movement as a 2030 which is different from yours, and indicates that the case was made in Taiwan – I think 20xx quartz movements can still be purchased. Yours has a 1430 movement, and has a Japanese made case I should think. It should have a second hand – the second hand is used to warn of low battery level, when it would tick every 2 seconds rather than every second. As far as I know, Miyota was acquired by Citizen in the 2000s, so if your movement is marked Miyota then it may be replacement. Is there a movement number stamped on it?
I would think original Citizen straps would be signed, either on the buckle or stamped into the leather – I’m afraid I don’t know about the Richard Marcell brand, maybe it’s one that is available in Argentina and used to replace original ones.
Stephen, once again, thank you so much for taking the time to answer me!
I also think that the Miyota movement its a replacement, it has no movement number on it, the only thing that says is “Unadapted Miyota Co. – One Jewell”. I will keep trying to find that 1430 movement to replace, but I think that it’s almost impossible (especially here in Argentina), wich other movements do you think/recommend that would be a good replacement? Should I stick with a Japanese one? That 2030 you think it’s a good choice? I´ve already found a 6031, 4031 and 2830 movements. I know that this watches and movements are out of your collecting/experience period, but definitely, your opinion its worth to hear.
And since an original strap its almost impossible to find, I think I will consider going with a new leather one. I would love to have an orientation about how it looked back then, but I think I will consider that 2030 movement reference (the closest I got so far) I previously send as a guide since it has an original Citizen strap on it.
Hi Fernando – I agree that the movement is a replacement. The 1430 has 2 jewels and is marked ‘Citizen’. Obviously a replacement needs to fit the case – the dimensions of the 1430 is provided in the technical manual. You will need to check whether the existing hands will fit too, and get hold of a second hand. I would think any of the Miyota calibres will be ok if you can find one that fits. I don’t have any reference pics I’m afraid, so I don’t know what the original straps looked like.
Thank you so much again for your response and advice! I will let you one once I have it done to show you how it looks!
I don’t want to take all your time, but I´ve just made a new post on SCWF about another watch. If you have the chance, your help its always great!
Just replied to your post on SCWF 🙂
You are awesome!!! I´m really happy I found your blog! Thank you so much for your time spent in helping me with my doubts!
You’re welcome Fernando – always good to try and help someone who is interested in vintage Citizens 🙂
Hi, I recently got given a Citizen Eagle 7 Watch, but can’t seem to find the same version online anywhere, and was wondering if you could give me some insight.
On the back it exactly says:
Hi Paul, sorry for my slow reply and thanks for visiting my blog. You probably know already that the Eagle 7 models were introduced in the early 1980s, and usually used the 8200 automatic movement, running at 21,600 beats per hour with day and date complications. They were made for 30 years or more so it can be difficult to identify exactly when they were made. I can confirm that it is an authentic model – the case number (4-038169) is listed so all appears correct. The style of the case back markings, particularly the case and model numbers and the 8 figure serial number suggest it is relatively early. So I reckon it was made in February 1983 (from the first three figures – 302). I haven’t got much reference material for this period so I’m afraid I haven’t got any more info on your particular model. Hope this helps, Stephen
I just received a suspicious Citizen Automatic 21 Jewel watch in the mail today that I won on feebay. I personally think that it is a fake or something for a plethora of reasons (smaller mens size, has Japanese symbol option, is lightweight, does not look like the links can be removed and it does not state where it was manufactured.. So, I was hoping that you could help to determine what the deal is with this watch. Here are all of the following #’s and stamping on the back:
“ALL STAINLESS STEEL/WATER RESISTANT”, “CITIZEN WATCH CO./4-290351 KT, 00223330, 71-1951.
Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you for your “time” and efforts.
Hi Stephen, thanks for visiting my blog. First thing is that I think the case number is 4-280351, which is a genuine Citizen number rather than 4-290351, as is the model number (71-1951). Quickest way to check yours is to compare with another, and I’ve found an example here which looks to be an original example: http://www.speedtimerkollektion.com/shop/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=24&products_id=33430
Well done! I have several links at the forum to your blog. One day I would love to have all of this on the forum.
Thanks Koimaster 🙂
First of all , thanks for this awesome blog … Doing great…
I have Citizen watch from parents, trying to find more information about it.
Front Details :
Citizen Automatic (shows Day+date)
Back Details :
Can you suggest year of manufacture, other details about my watch..
Thank you in advance
Hi Prateek, thanks for visiting my blog, and for your kind comment. Your watch is an early example of the 8200 automatic. This was first produced around 1976, and was in production for over 30 years. In the 1980s many of them were made and called ‘Eagle 7’ models, but yours precedes them. Yours is from January 1977 (from the first three figures in the serial number) and in fact it is listed in a 1977 parts catalog I have. More info on the 8200 is here: https://sweep-hand.org/2013/01/27/the-8200-movement-citizens-standard-auto/ Stephen
I am very glad to have found this site. I have a watch from Citizen and doesn’t know well from witch year this is. A value estimate would help me because I am a dealer of pre-owned business.
Thank you very match
information of the watch:
CITIZEN WATCH CO.
BASE METAL SSG
63-55 – G300 71 K
GN – 4 – GS
Hi Peter, thanks for visiting my blog. I’m struggling to make sense of the model / case number on this watch. Are the numbers (starting 63) stamped as you have typed them? Stephen
Sorry for the late reply, (the work). My apologies for the wrong types, nr is 6355 – G300 71 K, so no – between 55 and 63
Thank you very much
Hi Peter thanks for your reply. This information tells us that your watch has the 6355 movement in it. Although I don’t have reference material on this, I have found the relevant technical manual and this shows that the 6355 has day, date and month complications. Other variants also had ‘moon-phase’. I’m not sure exactly when these movements were produced, but I know another 6xxx series movement was produced around 1990, so my best guess is early 1990s. If I’m right, then your watch is from July 1993. As to value, I don’t try to offer valuations, even for older mechanical watches that I know well. Generally speaking quartz models do not have great value unless they are very rare and /or high end. I would advise that you search eBay for similar models and see what others are going for. Here’s the relevant tech manual for your information: http://www.citizenwatch-global.com/support/simple_pdf/6380.pdf
Which model is older; Waterproof or Parawater caseback.
Hi Nito, thanks for visiting my blog. Parawater and Waterproof are from the same time, i.e. before about 1973 when ‘water resistant’ had to be used. Waterproof was used instead of parawater on watches made for export rather than the Japanese domestic market. Stephen
What is my base metal up 6030-s04565 SMW 7078775 GN 4-S
Hi Daniel, thanks for visiting my blog. Your watch is a quartz model, probably from 1987. Unfortunately I don’t know too much about these, so I can’t tell you any more. Here is the relevant technical manual: http://www.thewatchsite.com/files/Citizen%20Technical%20Manuals/6030.pdf
Hello again, Steven.
just found another citizen today but the model # is not mentioned in your site.
It’s a 17J automatic, waterproof shockproof B52805. The xxx6 # looks desirable.
An owner has engraved it 25.5.70 although the serial # is 7101887 making it a ’71 year? Or could it be october 67?
Thanks for you help
Hi Art, the watch is from October 1967, and being marked water and shockproof was for the export market. There aren’t many ‘B’ watches, the most well known one being the 150m B52806 diver. Although they are marked B52XXX, they actually use the 54 date only movement. Stephen
Can you tell me about a watch I found when we moved house please? On the back
On the face
and right on the edge near the 6
Thank you for you help.
Hi Laura, thanks for visiting my blog, and for all the information about your watch. Although Citizen made a Cutlass model with an automatic movement in the mid to late 1960s, yours is a slightly later one with the 02 hand-winding movement, usually known as the ‘Homer’ movement since it was first used in a model of that name. The 02 was first produced in 1960 and it became a solid and popular movement, produced until the early 1980s. There’s more info on the Homer here: https://sweep-hand.org/2012/02/23/this-weeks-featured-watch-23-the-homer/
The dial code – 6-026583-Y – is the part number for the dial and also helps to identify the movement. On the back, CSP is the case material code for Citizen Special Plating which is a stainless steel plate over a base metal case. 4-020294-K is the case number, and this also incorporates the movement number so it’s very helpful to have. 63-5618 is the model number, which is not of much help these days, but the ’63’ prefix was used on Homer 02 models.
Parashock on the dial is Citizen’s version of shockproof, meaning that the movement includes protection against bumps and knocks.
Finally the serial number – 10700773 – which gives us the production date. The fist three figures (107) provide year and month and since the style of the numbers are from the late 1960s/early 1970s this one is from July 1971.
Thank you so much Stephen – I have taken it to be serviced, so I hope that I will be able to wear it (with confidence that is telling me the time!).
You’re welcome 🙂
I recently bought a pre-owned citizen eagle 7, but im uncertain if its real. One thing that bothered me is the lack of serial number. It has a display case back and i can clearly see the 8200 stamped on the rotor. however on the case back, the only print i can see are
CITIZEN WATCH Co.
BASE ST STEEL
On the dial it has an applied CITIZEN logo
eagle logo with 7
Its most likely plated gold.
Did i just buy a fake watch?
Hi Mike – no it’s not a fake 🙂 Exhibition backs don’t have serial numbers – see my post about my ‘skeletonised’ watch: https://sweep-hand.org/2013/01/16/this-weeks-featured-watch-45-the-4-760182-skeleton/
And the case number is an authentic one, so I reckon all is good,
Hi there sweephand,
Impressive blog, congrats!
I like to bring my old father’s watch to life. The problem is, that I can’t find a thing about it.
It’s an automatic 21 j movement, and need a spare one or parts to fix it.
The information on the back is:
I hope that you will be able to help me and give me some more info. Will be happy to tell me how and where to find parts for it.
Hi Strahil, thanks for visiting my blog and for your kind comment. The watch you have uses the 8200 movement, with day and date complications. It is an automatic that can also be hand wound to get it going. Many watches were made using this movement, which was first produced around 1976 and continued in production for over 30 years. There are plenty of examples for sale on eBay, so you should be able to find a ‘donor’ watch with a working movement that you could put in yours. That’s probably easier than trying to repair it, since it is a quick process that will not cost nearly as much as a repair. An eBay search, using ‘Citizen 8200’ should find a number of examples. Stephen
Thank you Stephen for your quick response!
The movement is working just perfect when is hand wound. The problem is that I can’t find a dial similar to mine even close. The case refers to a diver’s one, but can’t find a diver like this one. I is a mystery.
Hmmm, don’t know a diver with that case or model number. Have you any photos? You can link to online storage, or I can email you direct if you prefer (visitors can’t post images directly on the blog I’m afraid). Stephen
Email me, cause it is impossible to post a link or whatever!
Hello, firstly, thank you very much for all the information that you gift in this blog,
Now if I understand well all your explanation, I can guess that my Citizen watch it was produced on February 1965, I’m tellling you….
In the front I can read :
Top : Citizen, 17 jewels
Bottom : ShockProof, Phynox
I couldn’t find any photo on the web similar to my watch,
After, on the back I can read:
C.G.P (Citizen Golden Plate)
Stainless Steel Back
and at last the serial number 50204370, for me Febraury 1965,
Thank you very much in advanced for your kind answer,
Have a nice day.
Sorry I’m from Buenos Aires, Argentina. Thks again!
No need to apologise Héctor! 🙂 Stephen
At this link you can find two photos
thanks for the links to your pics 🙂 Stephen
Hi Héctor, thank you for visiting my blog and for your kind comment. You are right that your watch was made in February 1965 – that would be around the latest time that this style of case back was used before it was replaced with a different design. Given it is marked ‘shockproof’ rather than ‘parashock’ I reckon this was an export model. The movement is a ‘Homer’ hand winder, which was first produced in 1960 and was used for over 20 years. If it had been made for the Japanese market it would probably ave ‘Homer’ on the dial – export models like yours usually don’t have a model name. ‘STAR’ refers to the name of the factory where cases were made. There’s some more info on the Homer movement here: https://sweep-hand.org/2012/02/23/this-weeks-featured-watch-23-the-homer/
Thanks a lot!, I was reviewing the table of movements, then I understand that Phynox comes from 1955.
You’re welcome. Phynox is the alloy used in hairsprings as you say from the mid 1950s. It was printed on dials until the early 1960s when it became less of a special feature. Stephen
Regarding another thing which seems to me something particular, after have found a lot of citizens pics, I mean, the numbers 12 and 6 on the dial, I understand it is related with the fact that this watch was exported from Japan, this tell you something? maybe would be possible to know the exporting destiny?
Thanks once more!
Hi Hector, sorry for my slow reply. This was a common style for watch dials back in the 1950s and 1960s, so I think Citizen was simply following the fashion of the day. Stephen
No problem Stephen, everybody have a life! :o), I appreciate you kind answer.
Very true 🙂 Have a good weekend. Stephen
Hello Mr, I’m writing from Argentina, after looking a lot of pages in google, in order to find out more about a watch I have. It belong to my grandfather. I read all the comments regarding to this model (21 Jewels, 8200) but there are some things that are different from most of what I read. For example the serial number (which I think that would be 690687) is shorter than most of what I read (and I guess the 6 is the year it was produced but how do I know if its ’86 or ’96’? it’s not defenetely 2006 since the oldest reference I have of this watch is 2004, a service paper). Also, after the ”4-” there is a ”S” following some numbers, in stead of only being numbers, like most of what I’ve seen here (also the fact that it says HST at the end, which is semething I haven’t read here either). I’m leaving 2 photos of the back and front, most photos I’ve seen of this model, they have thin lines on the hours mark, but this has like piramidal squares, another thing I’ve seen different. Thanks so much for reading all the petitions and answering to everybody since like 2013. I’ll be so gratefull if you could give all the info that you know about this, the name of the model (I’m confused if ts 21 jewels, or 8200, not sure) and specially when it was made. The pictures are quite large. Thanks.
Hi Vesper, thank you for visiting my blog and for the links to the pics, they are very helpful. The 8200 movement was made for over 30 years so there were many hundreds of models over the decades, so it can be hard to find another example exactly like yours. First of all, your watch has all the right marks to indicate that it is an authentic model, especially the dial code which is usually missing when a watch has been re-dialled. As to the model name, it is one of the ‘Eagle 7’ models, which were in production for a long time. ‘8200’ and ’21’ jewels are the movement designation and it’s jewelling, but they can be found in other models beside the Eagle 7’s. You have already identified a couple of helpful things to try and pin down the production date. Firstly, the six figure serial number indicates it’s not an early one, and secondly the ‘S’ in the case number also supports that. So in my opinion it is from 1996 rather than 1986, which would be a little early for the style of the case and serial numbers. I can’t be sure but I think ‘HST’ on the back is probably a code for the factory where the watch was made or assembled.
Thank you so much for all the info, I’ll save it on a notepad right now. Thanks to you!!!!
You’re welcome 🙂
I have a chance to get a citizen watch with this information on the back of it:
Citizen Watch Co.
Base Metal IBG
38-5843 -> 12
I can’t find any information on it and any help will be appreciated.
Hi, thanks for visiting my blog. I’m afraid I don’t know too much about quartz models after 1980. Your watch has the 2250 movement, which is shown by the case number – 2250-888768, and is a small movement used in women’s watches. 38-5843 is the model number, but it’s not of much help these days. The ->12 indicates where the case back can be prised ff, i.e. the 12 o’clock position. I’m not sure about the production date, but I think it is most likely 1987. Here’s the relevant technical manual: http://www.thewatchsite.com/files/Citizen%20Technical%20Manuals/2200.pdf
Hi Stephen, I had a Citizen Watch that I loved, which I purchased in Argentina in 1989, but it is no longer in my possession. It was a n Automatic, and listed 21 Jewels on the front with a red eagle like picture by the 6. The day disk was in English and Spanish, clearly an export model. I never knew the model or anything about the watch
A few years ago, I managed to get another citizen off of E-Bay. It is a little different, the day disk being in Arabic and English, it was also an export model. On the face it simply reads Citizen and Automatic near the 12, and 21 Jewels with the red eagle like device near the 6. ON the back of teh case is the following information:
CITIZEN WATCH CO
What can you tell me about the watch?
Hi Jim, thanks for visiting my blog. I have replied to your enquiry via the contact form, by e-mail. Stephen
Is there anything you might tell me about this Citizen watch?
Citizen Watch Co
base metal yp
Thank you. -a
Hi Allan, thanks for visiting my blog, and apologies for my slow reply, due to a short holiday. I’m afraid I do not know the quartz calibres other than the early ones. I would guess that yours is from around the late 1980s, so it’s possibly from 1988. Here is the relevant technical manual for more info: http://www.thewatchsite.com/files/Citizen%20Technical%20Manuals/4031.pdf Stephen
Thank you so much.
You’re welcome 🙂
Again congrats for your great blog.
My questions are:
Would you please give more information for this watch: citizen CRYSTRON water 150 resist (in the dial) and 4-730453Y, GN-4-5, 44-0019 (in the caseback)?
It has some crystal scratches, so which is the glass reference for this model?
Sincerely I have tried to find out specific information regarding some glasses references but it is quite difficult to get them
Thanks in advance
Hi Juan, thanks for visiting my blog and for your kind comment. Apologies for my late reply, but I was on holiday. Your diver was introduced around 1979 to replace the last of the 150m mechanical diver, model number 52-0110. The 32,768Hz 7300 quartz movement was good for +/- 15 seconds per month. The crystal part number is 54-51810. Unfortunately, they are very hard to find. Here’s the relevant tech manual for the 7300: http://www.thewatchsite.com/files/Citizen%20Technical%20Manuals/7300.pdf
Excellent as usual. Thank you for the info
Your welcome 😀
I have a citizen quartz with water resist 200m small divers type watch.
Is it genuine or a fake?
Citizen watch co.
5502-F5 1847 TA
Hi Michael, thanks for visiting my blog, and apologies for my late reply due to my holiday. I’m afraid I don’t know Citizen’s quartz models, other than the early ones. I do know the 5502 movement was used in a 200m diver, so I’d advise that you Google ‘Citizen 5502’ and see whether you can find the same model as yours. Stephen
Hello, I want information above this watch
Citizen watch co.
Base metal top
Stainless steel backup
And below there is another number 2482 stainless steel ssg
Hi Gabriela, thanks for visiting my blog. I’m afraid I can’t help very much – I guess your watch is a quartz model, and is more recent than the period of mainly mechanical watches that I know. Ican at least confirm that the case number (4-092686) is authentic, and that the watch had a ‘push button’, so maybe has an alarm function. I’m sorry I can’t offer much information. Stephen
what is the difference between models B52806 and 52-0110? Are there differences in their construction? Thank you.
Hi Nito there is one crucial difference in the cases of the B52806 and the 52-0110. And that is the crown – the 52-0110 has a more conventional one, with an internal thread that screws down onto the threaded crown tube. However, the B52806 crown has an external thread which screws down onto a thread in the case itself. This design was carried over from the earlier Super Jet and Crystal Date divers. Stephen
Hi. I just purchased a beautiful Citizen and I am having a hard time figuring out info on it. It isn’t clearly marked to me.
The face says:
Japan 2020-204201 KA
Base Metal YP
Any information you can provide me will be so greatly appreciated. This page has been so helpful for me with my other old Citizen!!
Hi Roxanne, thanks for visiting my blog. I’m afraid I don’t know too much about the quartz models other then the very early ones. The info about your watch tells us it has the 2030 movement inside (that’s shown by the case number on the back). I don’t know exactly when these were produced but I would guess it is the early 1990s. If so, the first three figures in the serial number indicate production was in April 1992 (204). The name ‘Seven’ was used for a number of models over the years, initially on automatic mechanical watches, then on the first quartz model to have a long lived battery (about 8 years), and on later quartz’s like yours. Here’s the relevant tech manual for more info:
Click to access 2030.pdf
Hi do you know if citizen ever made a watch that is see through with thick spokes like an alloy wheel and brown in color. It’s quartz. I saw one and thought it might be fake. Thanks.
Hi Earl, thanks for visiting my blog. I’m afraid I don’t know the quartz models that well, except for the early ones, so I don’t know if it’s a fake or not. Can you post a link to pictures? Stephen
I have a Citizen watch, which I believe to be an Eagle 7, but would like it if you could confirm that with me, and also decipher the serial number? I’m looking to figure out when it was made. The numbers on the caseback are:
Hi Chris, although I don’t have access to my reference material at the moment, it looks like you have an Eagle 7 from October 1981. Stephen
That works for me. Thanks Stephen!
I enjoyed reading this article.
Thanks Dezi, and thanks for visiting my blog. Stephen
Hi Stephen, I have an Eagle 7 being shipped to me from overseas. Could you help me determine its vintage?
The back says:
CITIZEN WATCH CO.
Hi, thanks for visiting my blog. The style of the case number (with an ‘R’ in it) and the 6 figure serial number indicates that it’s not an early one, so I would say it’s from 1990. Stephen
I love the detailed blog you’ve given, it’s been a great help.
But I’d love to know how old this watch is.
And I dont understand what the “WP” and “SMW” mean.
the case on the back says:
BASE METAL WP
Hi Jennie, thanks for visiting my blog, and for your kind comment. 2030 in the case number tells us that this has a 2030 quartz movement inside. I’m not so familiar with quartz models unless they are the early ones, and the 2030 is not one of those, but I would think it’s from 1992. ‘WP’ indicates that the case is silver plated, whilst I think ‘SMW’ is the factory code, i.e. where the watch was made, but I’ve not yet been able to confirm that. For info here’s the relevant technical manual: https://www.thewatchsite.com/files/Citizen%20Technical%20Manuals/2030.pdf Stephen
your blog is real piece of art.
I would love to know more about the citizen I got from my granpa.
It is a citizen 4031-S01256SMK and i posted photos below.
I hope you may help with an idea about the value it could have.
Thanks a lot
Apologies, this is the link where the pictures are https://www.ebay.it/itm/153180258506
Hi Angelo, thanks for visiting my blog and for your kind comment. Unfortunately I don’t know too much about the quartz models, but here is the relevant manual for technical information: https://www.thewatchsite.com/files/Citizen%20Technical%20Manuals/4031.pdf The value of this kind of quartz is not great I’m afraid, I can only suggest you search the internet for similar models to see what they have sold for. Stephen
I bought this Eagle 7 on Ebay without researching. Now i’m pretty sure its fake. What do you think? You have to scroll down to see images of the watch
Sorry about the long copy and paste link I’m not very internet savvy.
Hi William, thanks for visiting my blog. Although a lot of Eagle 7’s have had dials replaced, or have been cobbled together from several watches, this one looks ok to me. The dial code (below the 6 o’clock marker) is present – always a good sign – and the model number is an authentic one. The movement is correct. The only thing I don’t know for sure is that this is the dial for this model. Stephen
Stephen, believe it or not, I ended up picking up another Eagle 7 from overseas, with a English/German day wheel, no less:
CITIZEN WATCH CO.
Would this be from 1980, you think? Thank you in advance.
Hi Kim, I think it’s more likely from 1990. The six figure serial number is more typical of later models, and I’m not sure Eagle 7’s were made in 1980. Stephen
I have a very strange shaped citizen watchand i cant find it the numbers. Are as followed: 6501
I would apreciate help with this.
Thank you mike p
Hi Mike, thanks for visiting my blog. Citizen tried some quirky designs and materials in the 1970s as they tried alternatives to the ‘classic’ styles. The asymmetric case on yours is one of the more unusual shapes, and is rarely seen, so it was probably not popular in its day and didn’t sell very well. Although I haven’t got a reference pic of this model I have seen one for sale once. The marks on yours tells us that it has the 6501 automatic day/date movement inside, and was made in October 1973 (see ‘310’ in the serial number). The model number – 61-6149 – isn’t very helpful these days, but the case number – 4-651219 – confirms that it is a 6501 model. This movement was first made in 1971 and along with the electro-mechanical Cosmotrons, was often used in the more modern styles at that time. It’s a very nice movement, although it wasn’t made for more than a few years, as Citizen shifted focus to quartz technology. The 6501 movement runs at 21,600 beats per hour and was only made with 21 jewels. Stephen
Cool site ! been reading all the comments .Very interesting.
And yes like so many others am asking for clarification on the information of my watch Please.
It is small round faced with hex shapes around it .On the closing clasp it say’s stainless steel.
The face is white.
The name say’s Citizen Elegance.
It has date at (3 oclock) and single wind
On the bottom of the face of the watch is
Japan 1010-H24658 KA
On the back
Citizen Watch Co .
Base Metal SSPD
Plus where the band is first connect to the watch it is stamped into the link
It’s a nice looking watch and would like to get it fixed (the 7pm dot came off and is now stuck beside the 9pm.Pluse I need and extra link in the band and can’t find any to match the configuration.
Thanks so much!
Hi Wendy, thanks for visiting my blog and for your kind comment. Unfortunately your watch is a quartz model, and my information on all but the very early ones is limited. I would think it’s probably from 1997. The movement inside is the 1010, which is indicated both in the dial code and the model number on the case back. The case material code (SSPD) means that it is stainless steel with a palladium plated bezel. GN-0-S is the case type, indicating a water resistant design with press on back. ‘->10’ shows where the indent in the case back can be prised off, i.e. the 10 o’clock position. H0671 is the reference number for the bracelet, but I’m afraid spare links will be just about impossible to find. However there is one of your watches for sdale on eBay at the moment, so that could offer spares – just Google ‘Citizen Ladies Watch Analog 1010-H15050’.
Finally, here’s a link to the relvant tech manual, for your information: https://www.thewatchsite.com/files/Citizen%20Technical%20Manuals/1010.pdf
Hey there. You do know a lot about watches! I recently bought a vintage automatic citizen wristwatch.
It is a 21 Jewel automatic, labeled ‘water resisitant’. It also has weekday and month day.
ALthough I’m not too keen on the date of production (but It would be nice to know some info about it, if care to share anything interesting?..), My question is about the date dials.
the weekday dial is noticeably different than the day dial.
The weekday dial is alot more white, the font is different and it also has the weekdays written in arabic….overall, it just looks like a modern replacement instead of original.
The day dial (numbers only) looks a little darker and the font looks very vintage, so it seems to be original.
Can you confirm if indeed watches had different languages on the date dial and if they look different? I can’t seem to find anything about this, and I also don’t know what the model name is. would it be ’21 Jewel automatic’?
Also I read through your info, but I don;t know If I missed it somewhere, but mine seems to have ‘additional’ info: GN-4W-S
The complete info as it appears on the back:
8 D 0 1 1 4
Thanks for you insight, and feel free to look at my classic car channel on youtube if you or anyone else is interested. It’s called ‘Old Crow’s Classic Cars’. Or just type in ‘1969 Cadillac Eldorado complete restoration’.
Hi, thanks for visiting my blog. Your watch has Citizen’s 8200 automatic inside, which was in production for over 30 years since it was launched in 1976. Many of them have an Eagle motif on the dial and are called ‘Eagle 7’ models. If yours doesn’t have that, then it has no model name as such. The case number (4-824261) helps identify the movement, whilst the ‘8D’ in the serial number indicates the date of production is either December 1988 or 1998 – hard to tell which it is, but the style of these makes it more likely to be the later date.
Day wheels are often more faded/darker than date wheels, because they are exposed to UV light more frequently, i.e. every 7 days as opposed very 30 days or so. Since yours is the other way round, it may be that the day wheel has been replaced. But, 8200 day wheels are bi-lingual, so it should have English as well, so it could be that the English printing is darker/faded from use and the watch has been set more recently for Arabic days which have not seen the sunlight so much. To check this, just move the time on past midnight to see if both Arabic and English printing appears – if the English is not darker then it will be a replacement wheel.
‘GN-4W-S’ on the back is the case type code – this one indicates a water resistant design with a screw down back.
this watch was found in a parking lot.
also has citizen automatic para water around the back.
has date widow, has 12 and 6 and says citizen 21 jewels under the 12,
and automatic and waterproof above the 6.
Is this a gold plated watch from 1970?
Hi Junior, thanks for visiting my blog. The watch is from February 1970. The movement is most likely a 5470, usually seen in a model called the Crystal Date which was made for the Japanese domestic market in the late 1960s. The later model 62-5221, marked ‘waterproof’ rather than ‘parawater’ on the dial, was an export model. Stephen
Hi would you be able to help me identify this watch?
I have pictures, but I’m not sure how to attach them
It has a gold coloured case with Blue face
Missed KT off the end of first number
Hi Mark, thanks for visiting my blog. The watch you have, presuming it has day and date complications, is an 8200 automatic. Unfortunately, although the movement is authentic, there are a lot of watches with the same case back but with the same serial number and different dials. The serial number (011012 70) is not a typical Citizen type – each watch would usually have a unique number. It seems that a batch of these case backs has been used with after market dials and sometimes different cases, so they are not original Citizen pieces I’m afraid. I’ve now had eight visitors to my blog ask about watches with the same case back, so there are quite a few around. Stephen
I know that you are less familiar with the quartz models than the mechanical ones, but perhaps you can help with this one that my father-in-law received upon retirement many years ago.
It is a rectangular, extremely thin, men’s dress watch, with 3 hands and a date number (no day of week). on the back it says Base Metal Top / Stainless Steel Back / 4-798775 K / 10401169 / 43-9142 / Japan / BP. On the movement inside it says 6 jewels and 7391E.
The battery was left in for 15 years or so and leaked out corroding part of the movement.
Hi Yaakov, thanks for visiting my blog. Although I don’t know many of the quartz movements, I do know that at the end of the 1970s Citizen was using a 7300 movement, with variants designated 7310, 7350 and 7370. So it’s probably safe to assume that the 7391 movement was a slightly later development. The first three figures in the serial number – 104 – give the production date, so I would think it is from April 1981. The style of the case and model numbers are consistent with that date, and I know that Citizen’s ‘Exceed’ models from that time had a case number like yours, i.e. 4-79xxxx. Was your father’s retirement around that time? Also, do you think ‘BP’ could be ‘GP’, i.e. indicating a gold plated case? I’m afraid I can’t tell you much more about these, since I have reference material only on the very early quartz models, up to 1979. Stephen
Thanks a lot for the quick response.
Yes, you are right – it does say GP! (There is an dedication on the back that makes it hard to read). So, the “base metal top” is gold plated!
My father-in-law’s retirement was in 1984, so a manufacturing date of 1981 is reasonable
(I also guessed that the 102 meant April 1981 – thanks for the reassurance).
Do you have any idea where I can find a manual for this piece ?
Given the case number (4-798775), is the movement number 7391, or is it actually 7931?
On the movement, right above where the battery sits, it says “7391E” and under that UNADJUST…(the rest is gone). But the case back indeed says 798775 K.
Thanks for confirming the number. I thought it might be a 7931, which was a movement launched in 1979. I can’t find any info on a 7391 movement I’m afraid, which is odd. The 7930 movement is rectangular though, so maybe yours is a version of this – here’s the relevant tech manual, with a good drawing on page 4 so you can compare it with yours – if it matches then we might have cracked it!: https://www.thewatchsite.com/files/Citizen%20Technical%20Manuals/7930.pdf
Yes, it looks very similar!
Thanks a lot.
Recently inherited an older citizen quartz watch from my wife’s grandfather who passed away. I know you say that you are not familiar with quartz watches, but replies on these threads lead me to believe you could at least date the movement for me.
Front of watch is gold plated with a killer polished stripe going horizontal from 3’oclock to 9’oclock. It reads Citizen Quartz at the top with a CQ above the 6’oclock marker. Below the 6’oclock marker it reads JAPAN 3630-364314 KA. Based on my research, 3630 would be the movement, but I can find nothing at all anywhere on the internet or forums about this movement.
The caseback has the following information:
BASE METAL YP
Further research leads me to find that the serial 5050164 indicates that the watch was made with a year ended in a “5”, but without knowledge of the movement, it’s impossible for me to know which decade?
Any info would be greatly appreciated – Thanks!
Hi Josh, thanks for visiting my blog and apologies for my later reply – been dealing with a few family things over the past week so my attention was elsewhere! I think your watch is most likely from 1985. Here is the relevant technical manual on the 36xx movements (the 3630 is in yours): https://www.thewatchsite.com/files/Citizen%20Technical%20Manuals/3600.pdf I see from the manual that the dial has the ‘CQ‘ logo applied to it which is indicative of the 1980s. I can’t tell you a lot more I’m afraid. Stephen
Need help citizen watch co.water resist base metal 1032-S033415 HSB 531568
GN- O-S-9 Japan
Thanks for visiting my blog. I’m not sure what help you need, but I can confirm that the movement in your watch is a 1032 quartz. I don’t know much about these, but here is the relevant technical manual for your information: https://www.thewatchsite.com/files/Citizen%20Technical%20Manuals/1030.pdf
May I ask for your help with my watch?
It’s a Quartz gold colored watch with the following info at the back:
BASE METAL YP
At the front, the text at the bottom is:
JAPAN 4031-490395 KA
Hoping for your help! 🙂
I’d like to ask if this is a legit vintage Citizen watch? I can’t seem to find the model numbers anywhere online.
Hi Kit, thanks for visiting my blog. I think this is a legit model, although I don’t know the quartz models as well as the earlier mechanical stuff. The case and dial markings all look ok, and indicate that the 4031 quartz movement is inside. I’m not sure when this was in production, but most likely it’s from the 1990s. The first three figures in the serial number (605) suggest that this was made in May 1996. Here’s the relevant technical manual: https://www.thewatchsite.com/files/Citizen%20Technical%20Manuals/4031.pdf Stephen
I have a citizen automatic with Day/time window , the markings on the back are as follows ;
Could you provide some info on it please
Hi Mark, thanks for visiting my blog. Your watch is an 8200 automatic, produced in March 1981. The 8200 was first produced around 1976 and was made for over 30 years. It’s a solid and reliable calibre, most commonly seen in the ‘Eagle 7’ range from the early 1980s – so if yours has an eagle motif on the dial, it is an Eagle 7. Here’s more info: https://sweep-hand.org/2013/01/27/the-8200-movement-citizens-standard-auto/
Hey I found my dad watch and not sure much about it. It appears to be gold plated and I was told it was. When I found it and moved the dials a bit it started working again. It’s a citizen automatic 21 jewels water resist on the front and says 6200-s91708 KA. On the back it says made metal Yp and 4-039335 RC and 7N3 646 and GN-4w-s. Could you give me some history about this watch thanks in advance for your time.
Hi Praveen, thanks for visiting my blog. I think the dial code is actually 8200 (not 6200). All the other etails indicate that it is a 8200 automatic, probably from November 1993. The ‘YP’ code indicates gold tone – although there is probably only a little gold in it! For more info on the 8200 movement please take a look at this post: https://sweep-hand.org/2013/01/27/the-8200-movement-citizens-standard-auto/
Oh and could you give me some info on the watch thanks in advance
And is it gold plated?
I have a Citizen water resist base metal Up
Can u send me info on it please. Thanks Tiffany
Hi Tiffany, thanks for visiting my blog. I’m afraid I don’t know the quartz watches too well, other than the very early ones from the mid to late 1970s. I think yours may be from the 1980s, and the serial number indicates 1983. ‘GN-5-S’ is the case type, which would help a watchmaker when servicing it. I’m not sure what ‘UP’ is – could it be ‘GP’, i.e. a gold plated case? Here’s the relevant manual for the 3220 movement, which gives technical info: https://www.thewatchsite.com/files/Citizen%20Technical%20Manuals/3220.pdf
Hi. I have a Citizen Kinder time which states – HOOJ26O2-YD at the case back. What does that mean? Thanks.
Thanks for visiting my blog. This code on the case back is the older style model/case number. ‘HOO’ on a Kinder Time tells us that it has the ‘Homer’ movement inside, which was first produced in 1960. If the watch has no date complication, then it is the 02 Homer, if it has a date complication then it is the ‘187’ Home Date calibre. The rest of the code is the model number, i.e. J2602, and YD means ‘Young Date’ if the watch has a date complication. Stephen
Hi Stephen, thank you for doing this blog and helping identify so many watches! I have a Citizen automatic that was inherited, along with some Seikos, from the father of a close family friend. I can’t put my finger on it, but something doesn’t look right about the dial. At any rate, the info from the caseback reads,
BASE METAL SSPD
The numbers by 6 o’clock on the dial read 7005.
Thank you for any light you can shed on this mystery watch!
Hi Vince, sorry for late reply, was away from home last week. I’ll send an email since I’ll need to see pics to answer your query. Stephen
I have discovered a watch left to by my late father. Ctitzen Cutlass Parawater.I don’t even know how to set the time right now. it’s running and keeping good time.the numbers on the back are.
it has the date on the right side and the day on the left(9oclock)
its not quite a sweep second hand.
anything you can tell me will be greatly appreciated
Hi Kevin, thanks for visiting my blog. I’ll reply to your email enquiry. Stephen
Good day. I need help determining if the citizen I bought in a watch store in a mall. The case back is different from the samples you’ve shown. It is an Eagle 7 that was relatively cheap, but really good looking with a textured dial. I hope you can help in shedding some light on this one. Thanks.
Hi Albert, thanks for visiting my blog – I need to see pics, so I’ll email you direct. Stephen
My watch has 6355-G31191 TA
Hi Amanda, thanks for visiting my blog. The model/case number of your watch tells us that it has the 6355 quartz movement inside. This offers calendar complications, and I think was most likely made in the 1990s. Here’s the relevant technical manual: https://www.thewatchsite.com/files/Citizen%20Technical%20Manuals/6355.pdf
Article it was very informative although I still don’t know whether or not my Citizen watch is real or fake can you please assist me on this you can email me back at (deleted). I have a feeling that it is not genuine but would like to know its value if it is.
Base mtal YP
Thanks for visiting my blog – email sent. Stephen
I have a dive watch that needs a battery Citizen said they
Don’t know?? 3 high end jewelers don’t know?
I want to know how to open it To replace battery
Water proof is not the goal just a running watch. Back reads
Can you help thanks
GN-3-L ( L is in a circle)
Hi Dale, thanks for visiting my blog. I think your watch is rated at 600m, which means it has a ‘monocoque’ (i.e. one piece) case. If so, to replace the battery the bezel has to be removed – I don’t know this model so I can’t give full advice on how to do this I’m afraid. The main issue once the bezel and crystal are off is how to remove the stem so the movement can be taken out to access the battery – it may be a two part stem or there may be a lever to release it. If you go back to a watchmaker and explain this, maybe they will be able to do do it. Here is a tech manual for the 7300 movement which includes battery info: https://www.thewatchsite.com/files/Citizen%20Technical%20Manuals/7300.pdf
Hope you an get it sorted, Stephen
I have an interesting Citizen watch, I have tried everywhere to a new strap, but it is as though this watch never existed……… I need to send you a picture or two……
Thanks for visiting my blog Paul – I’ll email you so you can send pics. Stephen
Hello, very interesting information. I have a CITIZEN 51-2273 diver, it is marked in the back 4-822145Y. Very small in the lower of the dial has a P-JAPAN.P8200 825974KA. Date is in english/spanish. But there is no serial number in the back, any reason for that? Thanks
Hi Jose, thanks for visiting my blog. It’s unusual not to have a serial number, especially on a diver – I know some ‘entry level’ models sometimes had no serial # but I don’t recall seeing a diver without one. I’m afraid I don’t know why yours has no number. Stephen
Hello! I love your blog, and I have a serious doubt on a watch I’m being offered.
and on the circle GN-I-U 4-520424 Y Waterproof Automatic CGP Stainless Back
The point is that days are in spanish below 12, No Citizen word and only says Commando… and on the 6, Crystal 7, the crown with de 7, 33 Jewels…
Movement only says CITIZEN 33 JEWELS
Too weird to be true?
Hi Rodolfo – thanks for visiting and for your kind comment. You’ve seen my reply to your Facebook post now, so I’ll just confirm that it looks fine to me. Stephen
Yes! thenk you so much!