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Hi
I have inherited a ladies rectangular dress watch and would like to know the date of manufacture.
The watch bears the numbers 5421-K15044CK and 051222 on the back of the case. I’m guessing it dates to the 1980’s.
Are there any online catalogues I could consult?
kind regards
Hi Jackie,
I’m afraid my area is older mechanical watches, but a I’ve done a little bit of searching and found this:
Click to access EH9454-58P.pdf
This gives the date of the model as the ’00 season’, presumably meaning the year 2000, which is obviously much more recent than you thought for yours. If the information given in this link is correct for this model, yours was made in May 2000 (from the first two digits in the serial number 051222).
Stephen
Stephen you are amazing! This is exactly the watch. Much more recent than I thought. Thank you for the prompt reply, very much appreciated.
kindest regards
Jackie
You’re welcome, glad I could help,
Stephen
Hi – Steve my name is Scott I am not sure how to use this blog site so I am leaving my comment here – I have a 1970’s Citizen world time GMT Model 68-0516 and trying to find parts I think it is from the 1970’s any help would be great –
Hi Scott, thanks for visiting my blog 🙂 Your question is fine in any of the comments threads, I am notified of any new comments so nothing is missed.
You have an interesting and rare watch from the early 1970s. The GMT / world time model uses the 7450 movement, and I reckon that not too many of them were made /sold since they aren’t seen very often. As a result parts are going to be very hard to find. A donor watch is a possible source, but there are so few of these around. Do you know what parts are needed? It may be slightly easier to find some parts if they are not specific to the world time mechanism, since the movement is part of the 72/74 family used in Seven Star V2, Custom V2 and Leopard models.
Stephen
Hi Stephen – Thank you for the fast reply – forgive me if I use the wrong terminology but this watch has two crowns the lower works the hands and the upper crown ( what is the upper crowns function? ) is intact but it looks like it is missing or has a broken pin – I had a third generation watch repair man look at it and he simple said he could not find the part – plus he would not tell me what part I needed – But I like what you said about possibly using parts from a similar model – I appreciate any information you can help me with – is it possible to contact you by phone?
Thanks – Scott
Hi Scott – I’ll send you an e-mail so we can ‘speak’ directly,
Stephen
I have two citizen watches which I purchased in 1975 a matching pair for a man and a woman. I would lioke to know how much they are worth now. How do I find out?
Hi Berni, valuing old watches is always tricky. My advice is usually to search the internet, especially completed sales on eBay to see what the same model has sold for previously. Vintage Citizens are not as popular as some other makes for collectors, and ladies’ watches don’t seem to be collected at all. It also depends on the models you have, if you have a rare piece, and / or maybe a chronograph, or a diver for example then it will be of more interest. Although I avoid suggesting values, if you let me know what models you have I could at least tell you if it’s one that would be of interest to collectors.
Stephen
Hello,
My name is Paul. I have acquired a nice Citizen watch and would like to know more about it…I did a basic search and found you…Hopefully you can help….It is serial # 90810557 other numbers or letters on the watch are… 4-310055Y PARAWATER 5.5.
[img]https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-eFYasALJzrg/UhzUfK5sOdI/AAAAAAAACI8/yFjz3uzP0MQ/s330/IMG_2782%5B1%5D.JPG[/img]
I’m sorry, I tried to include an image but it didn’t work….Any help would be greatly appreciated!
Hi Paul, thanks for visiting my blog – I’m afraid only I am allowed to post images directly, so I grabbed the one you linked to in your first comment:
You have a nice hand winding alarm, with date, from August 1969. This date is determined from the first three digits of the serial number (90810557). The 21 jewel 3100 movement was first produced in 1964 and into the 1970s. Since yours is marked ‘parawater’ (Citizen’s version of water proof) the watch is no later than about 1973 when ‘water resistant’ had to be used, so we can pin it down to 1968. The movement in these was originally a Swiss design, and it was also used later in Russian ‘Poljot’ watches. Some more information can be found in my post on my example, a ‘V2’ sports model from the early 1970s: https://sweep-hand.org/2012/06/08/this-weeks-featured-watch-34-the-custom-v2-alarm-date/
Stephen
Stephen,
Thanks SO much for replying so quickly and offering this good info about my watch. I really love how it functions and keeps very good time. And it pretty cool to know that it was made the same year I was born! Which makes it even more likable! I did order another band for the watch since the one currently on it seems to be a replacement “flex” band marked “Twiston”. Would you have any idea what the original band may have looked like and what this watch may be worth. Again, thank you very much for the info, its greatly appreciated!
Paul F.
You’re welcome Paul. Great to hear you have a watch from your birth year 🙂
I’m afraid I don’t have a pic of the original band – this image one is from a Japanese ‘museum’ book showing your model and just the end links of a bracelet (this one has a red second hand, which was an alternative to the one you have):
Stephen
Hi Paul – sorry I forgot you’d also asked about value. To be honest I avoid trying to give valuations having seen prices vary, sometimes inexplicably! If you search eBay to include completed listings you can get some idea. Here’s the item number of a recent example (not your model though): 390628850799
Stephen
Thank you very much Stephen! I certainly am not interested in selling the watch since it has sentimental value to me…I was just curious to a ballpark figure of what the watch might be worth. I understand, however, your reasoning. I did some searching on ebay and google and have not found anything quite exact…some similar but not really exact. Do you have any idea what it may have retailed for when it was new? Again, sorry to bombard with questions, but my curiosity for this piece is really interested! G’Day
Hi Paul – the same model as yours does come up from time to time on eBay, but of course when you need to see one, there’s none around!
I haven’t got an original retail price for your model, but as a guide, in 1971, the basic alarm models were retailing at around Yen10,000. A black coated V2 model, like mine, was Yen13,500. Yours would be more like the V2 in price. According to Google, in 1970 the dollar was worth 360 yen. So if yours retailed then at, say, Yen13,500 it equated to $37.5. This would give an equivalent modern day value of between $172 and $566, according to this calculator: http://www.measuringworth.com/uscompare/relativevalue.php
Another guide might be the prices Russian Poljot hand winding alarms sell for at the moment – these use the same design as far as I know, but with 18 jewels (not done much research on this!, but here are some for sale at an eBay store: http://stores.ebay.co.uk/Juri-Levenberg/Wecker-Alarm-/_i.html?_fsub=1762500)
Stephen
Hi,
I inherited a crystal seven from my grandfather when he died and would like to find out some information about it i.e. model, movement, date of production, worth (for insurance reasons) etc.
While searching I found a picture of it in a post, it is the one one the right in the top row see website:
http://www.thewatchsite.com/10-member-galleries/8159-vintage-citizen-collection-part-2-3-a.html
Any information would greatly be appreciated.
Regards Ciaran.
Hi Ciaran, thanks for visiting my blog. I will do a fuller reply later, with some pics of my watch (your question has made me realise that I haven’t done any of this model other than the group shot in the link you provided) but in the meantime could you tell me what the serial number is on your watch (it’s the 8 digit number on the case back).
Thanks,
Stephen
Hi Stephen,
Unfortunately my watch is in the shop for probably the only service its ever had. So I won’t have it back for a couple more weeks. but from memory the case back had the markings “parawater”,”star”, “ACSS 2923-Y” in a ring with the crystal seven symbol and serial number in the middle. As for the serial number I’ll have to get back to you on that and send you some photos if possible.
Great blog by the way I think its sparked an obsession with vintage Citizen watches.
Regards,
Ciaran.
Hi Ciaran,
An obsession with vintage Citizen watches? I like the sound of that 🙂
Can I clarify which model you have? I thought you meant this one when you said it was top right in the photo you linked to:
But the ACSS 2923 is this one:
Please let me know which it is so I don’t get it wrong 🙂
Stephen
Hi Stephen
It’s definitely the top one I must of got the ACSS number wrong.
regards
Ciaran.
Hi Ciaran,
thanks for confirming which watch it is 🙂
It’s great to hear that you have inherited your grandfather’s watch. The Crystal Seven models were introduced in 1965, using the ’52’ movement. Other models used this movement too (see the 52 Family Tree: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/stephen.netherwood/520%20Crystal%20Seven%20Family%20Tree%20v2.pdf) but the Crystal Seven is characterised by having date and day complications, with a quick set mechanism for the date, and flat mineral glass – hence the ‘crystal’ part of the name. The ‘7’ relates to the features of the watch – I’ve not found exactly what the seven are though! They were produced up to the late 1960s, and are one of Citizens better known vintage lines, with a wide variety of models. In good condition these are very nice, reliable and accurate movements running at a standard 18,000 beats per hour – after yours is serviced it’s likely to be running very well. Parts are not available other than from a donor watch, so hopefully yours doesn’t need anything more than a service.
There were ‘Custom’ models as well, which were of a more modern design (for that era) with higher jewel counts so were more expensive – although yours is not a Custom, it is similar to some of the Custom designs. If yours is the same as mine, there is no model number. The case number is 4-520131, which indicates the movement inside, a 21 jewel version. Mine is not in very good condition although the movement is good and runs well (I think I got this in a swap for a Seiko parts catalog) – here’s the back:
It’s marked ‘parawater’ which Citizen used instead of waterproof up to the early 1970s – after that water resistant had to be used. The serial number is 9041587 – the first three digits provide the production date, so this one is from April 1969. Here’s the movement – yours may not necessarily have a black rotor:
The crown is signed, on mine it has the older style ‘C’ – yours could have this or the later ‘CTZ’ which was starting to be used at that time:
I’ve noticed that the movement is number 5270 on mine – I’m interested to know if yours is the same – if so I need to amend the Family Tree slightly since I’ve only referred to this being used in the Seven Star models:
Value is a difficult area, so I avoid giving valuations! So much depends on condition / location etc, and demand for vintage Citizens is limited. Even in excellent condition the value would not be particularly high – my usual advice is to search eBay and look for completed listings to get some idea.
Hope this helps,
Stephen
Hi Stephen,
I have finally after got my watch back from being serviced and it is looking good as new.
The movement is the same as yours (5720) however my case back is different. The markings on the case back are “Crystal seven” “automatic” “80201249” “GN” in the centre along with “DN 21-4-71 MC” inscribed by hand between automatic and the serial number. The markings “Parawater” “Star” “S.S” and “ACSS 2932-Y” are in a circle around the outside. The number on the face is japan 6- 521274-K. I’m not sure if these numbers are of any use to you but i hope this information helps you with your family tree.
Thanks for all your help and your great blog.
Regards,
Ciaran Doidge.
I have also taken photos of my watch which you can find at the link below, feel free to use any of the photos if you have a use for them. https://picasaweb.google.com/108659176157401005670/CitizenCrystalSeven
Hi Ciaran – good to hear you’ve got the watch back. It looks very nice, and thanks for giving permission to use your pics, much appreciated. The ‘DN 21-4-71 MC’ engraving is interesting. I think that is a watch repairer’s mark, probably from when the watch was serviced in 1971. I remember reading something about this practice which is somewhat frowned upon since it’s on the outside of the case. Mostly a mark is made inside the case back.
As you mention yours has a different style of case back from mine – yours has the older style case / model number whilst mine has the later case number. I have got an original case parts manual from the late 1960s which tells me that your model number – 2932 – would have the alternative case number of 4-520092 or 4-521021. So mine has the wrong case back since it’s stamped 4-520131 which goes with model number 2912. I think it’s mine that is wrong rather than yours, since you know the history of yours, and it’s got that service mark from 1971.
Stephen
Yes Steven, Ciaran watch case back is right,as I have the same watch,and case back same as he describes his, hope this helps you, as your one is wrong. Pete Bullivant. NZ
Hi Pete, thanks for the confirmation, Stephen
i have same watch and i want to sell it
Hi Ejaz, thanks for visiting my blog – not sure which watch you are referring to, but anyway this is not a sales site I’m afraid.
Stephen
Dear Stephen
I collect unusual watches and recently acquired a Citizen with the following markings. It is an automatic with the following on the case
6501
4-651171y
3092121293
61-6231
i would be interested in any information on the watch but am most interested in the year of manufacture.
Regards
Paul
Hi Paul, thanks for visiting my blog 🙂
You may know some of this already, so sorry if that’s the case. Here’s what the markings on the back tell us:
6501 – this is the movement number (if you can get the back off you should find this number stamped near the balance wheel). The 6500/6501 movements are the day and date versions of the 6000 movement series. The 6000/6001 are the date only versions. They were first produced in 1971 and had only a short production run since the quartz movements became Citizen’s primary focus in the mid 1970s and they significantly reduced their range of mechanical watches from that point on.
4-651171 – this is the case number and would have been used by watch makers when servicing / repairing, it also indicates the movement used
61-6231 – this is the model number. Not as useful as the case number since it doesn’t indicate the movement inside
3092121293 – this is the serial number, and this gives us the production date. The first three digits are the key ones – the year is indicated by the first number, so this one is from 1973 since we know the 6501 was first made in 1971. I don’t believe these were made beyond the 1970s. The next two give the month – 09 – so it’s September 1973. By the way, have you typed the serial number correctly? I don’t think I’ve seen one with 10 digits before, would normally be 8 for this age of watch.
Stephen
Hi Stephen
Thank you for the quick response and the information. You are quite correct with the serial number added the 12 twice.
I also have another citizen but this one may be more tricky. This one is a wind up model with the following information.
Rear
63-5545
CITIZEN
9070990 (definitely 7 characters)
Also on rear
4-020073k
water protected
Face
17 Jewels
Water protected
Unbreakable spring
Shockproof
In reading your blog this watch has me very confused. it appears old but in other ways quite modern. Also the 7 digit serial number. Maybe the rear case isnt original?
Thank you sincerely
Paul
Hi Paul, you’re welcome 🙂
Fortunately this hand winder is actually not too tricky. Citizen also used seven digit serial numbers on some models in the late 1960s and early 1970s, so I’m sure your case back is as it should be.
What you have is one of Citizen’s export versions of their ‘Homer’ hand winding model with the 02 movement. The dial markings are typical of these, and use ‘water protected’ and ‘shockproof’ instead of ‘parawater’ and ‘parashock’ as they would have done on models sold on the Japanese domestic market. Also, it’s important to note that the term ‘unbreakable spring’ is used (rather than ‘mainspring’) – this also indicates an authentic model.
The Homer movement was first produced in 1960 and was used right through to around 1980. It was their base calibre, but is very sound and reliable and can be very accurate. The serial number gives a production date of July 1969 (I don’t think this model would have been produced as late as 1979, but it is possible).
You can find more commentary on these here: https://sweep-hand.org/2012/06/29/02-homer-family-tree-updated/
And here’s more on the Homer models:
The Homer pocket watch:
And the Homer railroad watch (one of my favourites):
Stephen
Hi Stephen i also want to know about my citizen vintage watch date of manufacturing please its marking are
4-280342KT
90805600
71-1845
I am searching for it for a long time can you tell something on this your help is higly apreciated
Hi and thanks for visiting my blog. Your watch is an 8200 auto and this movement was made for over 30 years, starting from around 1976. Yours could be from August 1979, but the use of the 4-28xxxx case number may indicate 1999, since the earlier ones are usually 4-82xxxx. Here’s more info on this movement and its history: https://sweep-hand.org/2013/01/27/the-8200-movement-citizens-standard-auto/ Stephen
Dear Stephen
Again thanks for the response. You nailed it, its identical to this one but in gold and even has the luminous inserts in the hands. Found it at a second hand shop in a tiny village in South Africa about 10 years ago and paid around $20 for it. http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk252/Sweephand/UnbreakableSpring17j.jpg
Regards
Paul
You’re welcome Paul – interesting to hear where you bought it. Is it like this one? (credit to eBay seller for pic):
Stephen
I would like to know about the production year of a watch. Citizen automatic watch 21-jewels 71-2116 serial no 00402990. Thanks
Model no 4-280695 kt 00402290 71-2116
Hi Avin, thanks for visiting my blog 🙂
Your watch is an automatic, using the 8200 movement which Citizen first made around 1975. This became Citizen’s workhorse automatic and has been developed and used ever since. It runs at 21,600 beats per hour and can be hand wound. They are often seen with the ‘Eagle 7’ logo on the dial, but I don’t think yours has that. 71-2116 is the model number, 4-280695 is the case number, and 00402290 is the serial number. This last number gives us the production date – it couldn’t be earlier than 1975, so I reckon that yours was made on April, 1980 (from the first three digits in the serial number – 004).
Stephen
Hi sweephand, thank you very much. Im really appreciate the information that u had provided to me. Thank you. Like what u said, are right. That watch that I saw didnt have the “Eagle 7” logo. For your information, im from the country named Malaysia. But why that watch doesnt had the logo? I had done online checking all the way to find the infomation but didnt found anything except the picture only. Is it because that watch were for the malaysia version? Thank.
Hi Avin – you’re welcome 🙂
Not all the 8200 automatics have the Eagle 7 logo – because I think your watch was made in 1980, it was before the Eagle 7 logo was used. I think that came in a little bit later, in the 1980s.
Stephen
I have two Citizen watches and cannot figure out how to identify the watches i have put the information in on the website and cant find anything about them is there anyway you can help me
1/ Citizen Watch CO
Base Metal YP
3220 – S15567 SMW
0082048
–> 5
2/ Noblia Sapphire Collection
Water Resist Base Metal 18G
3920-C90831 Y
0030547
Hi John, thanks for visiting my blog. I’m afraid I can’t help very much with your watches since they are quartz models that are more recent than the vintage mechanical pieces I am familiar with. The first one has a 3220 quartz movement and ‘YP’ means that it is a gold tone watch, either from 1990 or 2000 (from the serial number). I think 1990 is most likely. The other one has the 3920 movement and is a higher grade watch, in the Noblia line with an 18 carat gold case. Again that one is either from 1990 or 2000.
Here are technical guides for the two movements (not dated I’m afraid):
Click to access 3200-Technical-Information.pdf
Click to access 3920-Technical-Information.pdf
Stephen
Dear Stephen,
I was recently given a Citizen ‘Promaster’. However, I have not been able to track down the specific model. Could you help me, please? The details on the back of the watch are:
8200-824784 K GN-4-S and I think that the serial number is 7D0199
Thanking you,
Vishal
Hi Vishal,
I’m afraid I can’t help much with your question. The Promaster range is more recent than what I am familiar with and have researched. Is yours a diver’s watch? If so it could be one of the NY2300 models. Sorry I can’t be of more help – I googled ‘Citizen 8200-824784’, but that gave no results.
Stephen
go to citizen website and email their customer service with the info on the watch i did it and was glad i double checked with them
Hi Chrystian – thanks for your comment. Sounds like good advice 🙂 I have contacted Citizen a few times about their vintage watches, but have had no replies! Hopefully they can help with more recent models.
Stephen
Thanks for the help, Stephen. Unfortunately, it doesn’t seem to be one of the NY2300 models. I will try Christian’s suggestion, hope that their customer service can help!
Hi Stephen,
I followed Chrystian’s advice and emailed Citizen’s Customer Service. They got back to me in a day. The model number of the watch is NH3821-01W. Thank you for all the help.
Vishal
Hi Vishal, good to hear that Citizen was able to identify your watch, and thanks for posting back here 🙂 Your watch is a relatively recent model so I’m not much help!
Stephen
Hi Stephen,
Can u help me to identify this model number and the yearr this model being make…http://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/6/5/8/4/5/1/webimg/655441869_tp.jpg
Thanks
Hi Stephen,
Can u help me to identify this model type and the year this model being make…http://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/6/5/8/4/5/1/webimg/655441869_tp.jpg
At the back case i see this number 4-180615, 63-1019 and 9087000..
I got it from my father. So i want to know more about it.
Thanks
Hi Saiful – just realised you have provided the case back details in this comment 🙂 When I saw your two comments I thought they were about two different watches! The case number – 4-180615 – confirms this has a Homer movement (1800). The model number – 63-1019 – is typical of late 1960s / early 1970s watches, and the serial number – 9087000 – gives a production date of August 1969.
The hand wound movement runs at 18,000 beats per hour which was the standard rate for many years for this grade of watch. The Homer family of movements are very sound and reliable when in good condition, and were had the longest production run of Citizen’s hand winders.
Can you confirm whether or not your father’s watch has ‘Newmaster’ on the dial? It is great to hear that you have the watch and it has stayed in the family – although it is not a valuable watch, it must have great personal value to you.
Stephen
Hi Saiful, thanks for visiting my blog. The watch in that link looks like a ‘Newmaster’ from around 1970. ‘Newmaster was used on watches with several different movements, but by 1970 they used Homer movements. Since this has got a date window it probably has the Homer 18xx movement. This was first produced in 1962 through to about 1975. A picture of the back would help us be certain of course 🙂
Stephen
Hi Stephen,
Here the image for the watch.Yeah this watch has ‘Newmaster’ on the dial.
It not working very well now. I realy want to service it because it mean a lot to me.
Thanks for helping.
thanks for the pics, and confirmation that is marked ‘Newmaster’ – that’s very helpful since I haven’t included this model for the 1800 movement in my movement table and 02 ‘Family Tree’. If it doesn’t need any parts, a service shouldn’t be too expensive.
Stephen
Hi, I have a problem indetifying my Citizen watch…the back says:
1032 – R30151 EHY 140380 GN – 4 – S ->6
Hi Igor, thanks for visiting my blog. I’m afraid I can’t help very much with relatively recent quartz watches. I’ve had a quick look at images of some other models using the 1032 movement (your watch model number is 1032-R30151) and it looks like these were made in the 1990s at the earliest. The serial number, 140380, suggests production was in 1991 or 2001.
Stephen
Thank you so much for the info. The watch looks like this: http://marchelloandco.com/AR3010-65E-Citizen ,but it’s more clean inside…flat…very minimalistic and i got it from my late father. I’m planing to wear it with a nato strap like… Daniel Welington. Watch is acurate and alive 🙂
You made my day 🙂
You’re welcome Igor 🙂
Stephen
hi Stephen I have just inherited a ladies citizen watch and can not find anything about it. ie worth new when it was made or even a manual.
calibar # H335-T012841
cheers
Tarant
Hi Tarant, thanks for visiting my blog. Although I can’t find the exact same model as yours, I have found something close. It seems you have a fairly recent eco-drive (solar powered) watch with radio wave correction for exact timing. Not quite in my vintage area 🙂 Here’s the link to the similar model: http://global.rakuten.com/en/store/brandshop-kuraya/item/10007382/
Stephen
Thanks heaps for that Stephen yea I cant find anything on my model either. citizen weren’t very helpful either. again thank you
Tarant
hi,fantastic blog,hope you can help date my citizen 7
4-039181 hse
974855
gn-4s
Hi Dean, thanks for visiting my blog and for your comment 🙂
Your watch is one of the ‘Eagle 7’ models, using the 8200 automatic movement that was first produced around 1975. As far as I know the Eagle 7’s were first produced in the 1980s, and not before 1980, and the six digit serial number (974855) is also consistent with that. So it looks like yours was made in July 1989, got from the first two digits of the serial number(‘97‘)
Stephen
Brilliant,thanks Stephen….I’ve recently started collecting older watches,i have two seikos,one from 1980,this is my first citizen,hopefully first of many.
keep up the good work
Dean.
You’re welcome Dean – make sure you call back here if / when you get your next vintage Citizen(s) 🙂
Stephen
Hi Stephen…..I’ve no idea how to start a new request so I’ve trawled back and dug this one out…..anyway I’ve aquired a new to me citizen….it’s a white faced citizen automatic 21 jewels with day date feature,.printed on the dial …
p-japan 8200 827 195-k
on the rear case 4-281004 KT
406j5024
71-2612
it is on what appears to be the original strap,what age do you think this would be? And do the rear markings correspond with the actual watch?
my reason for asking is this watch was very cheap….less than £10,but is in an unrestored condition….I have nothing to lose but iam curious as to its authenticity.
Thanks in advance
Dean
ps….would love some advice as to how to start a new post 🙂
Hi Dean, thanks for visiting my blog. Because it’s not a forum I’m afraid it’s not possible to start a thread, so posting a comment is the way to go 🙂
I think it’s authentic – the case number (4-281004) is a correct one and the model number (71-2612) is also good for an 8200 automatic. Is yours like this one? https://img0.etsystatic.com/006/0/6356399/il_570xN.388645638_ezx8.jpg
This is an Eagle 7 auto from the 1980s – yours is from June 1984, from the first three digits in the serial number.
Stephen
Hi Stephen,thanks as always for your reply….the watch is simular to the watch in the link,it is however without the Eagle 7 logo….this could be missing,also the 12,6,3 and 9 indices are offset, the 12 and 6 are lower and the 3 and 9 are further in….the indices form an octagon shape,as opposed to a round the edge of the dial shape
hope that makes sense.
Dean
Anyone please help me to find the date and the model of my vintage Citizen watch..
It Says –
CITIZEN
WATER RESIST
STAINLESS
4-038568 K
60900055
GN-4-S
JAPAN
Hi Akram, can you tell me what the markings are on the dial of your watch? If it is an automatic with the Eagle 7 logo, then I think it is from September 1986.
Stephen
Hi again Stephen,
I have acquired another citizen,
Again it’s an eagle with the numbers
4-0392033 smk
91202488
GN-4W-S
I suspect the nineties,but not sure.
Thanks in advance.
Dean.
Hi Dean, I reckon that would be from December 1989. The longer (i.e. 8 digit) serial numbers are more likely to be from then, rather than 1999.
Stephen
Thanks Stephen,This one is a little tatty,with an aftermarket bracelet,it does however seem to function perfectly.
Dean.
Just to add,i will be back….just bought another one 🙂
Dean
Excellent! I think a bug has bitten you 🙂
Stephen
Hi Stephen,
I’ve recently acquired a citizens watch and I’ve been profusely searching to find information and date so I can them determine its value. The information on the back reads:
Citizen Watchco.(one word)
Water resist
Base metal ssg
5500-k06461 ckw
921873
Gn-4-s ->10
Mov’t Japan
The front says:
Citizen
Quartz
Wr100
It shows the day on it but is in Spanish. The outer rim overlay has numbers going all around from 10 to 50 in increments of ten and little line notches between each one with also an arrow at the top.
If you would like a picture, I’d be more than happy to provide you with one.
I thank you very much for any information you can provide me with and for your time and knowledge.
Much obliged,
Katie Forbes
Hi Katie, thanks for visiting my blog. Thanks as well for all the information from your watch. I’m not so familiar with Citizen’s quartz models, but the information you’ve given tells us that the watch model number is 5500-k06461, and uses the 5500 quartz module. I’ve found images of this model and it looks to me like it’s from the late 1980s / early 1990s, so, from the first two digits in the serial number (921873) I’d say it’s from February 1989 – although it could possibly be 1999.
I’m afraid quartz watches of this type and age don’t have much value, if you Google ‘Citizen 5500-k06461’ you should find one or two that have been sold and what they went for.
For information here’s a link to technical info about the 5500 movement: http://www.thewatchsite.com/files/Citizen%20Technical%20Manuals/5500.pdf
Stephen
hi again Stephen,
4-038843smy
7078808
july 87 or possibly 1997?
this one has the winder at the 3 oclock position.
Thanks
Dean.
that number should read 70788082
Dean
Hi Dean, I’d say 1987 since the serial number has 8 digits
Stephen
Hi Stephen,
After searching and searching the internet I found your blog. Back in 1999 (when I got married) I gave my husband a simple Citizen silver watch with a blue dial. He lost the watch within a month. I have been looking for the watch everywhere but cannot find it. Do you have any idea which watch it could be.? I want to buy it and gift it to him this January when it is our anniversary.
Thank you.
Hi Rizwana, thanks for visiting my blog. What a shame your husband lost the watch, and although it’s great that you are looking for a replacement I think it is like looking for a ‘needle in a haystack’ – Citizen has made many thousands of different models, especially once they developed quartz technology and the price reduced to allow mass production. My knowledge is mostly about the vintage mechanical models produced well before 1980 so I don’t have the reference material for later than that. The best thing to help would be if you have the original papers for the watch.
Sorry I can’t be more helpful,
Stephen
Hi there, I just noticed your blog and you seem very knowledgeable about citizen watches. I cannot find the model number anywhere for this watch! All I know is, that it’s an older watch, the caliber number is 6800, so it has four knobs to set the time. The full number is 6800-G80027 TA.
Japan->9. It is also water resistant. On the front side, it has gold hands, black dial background, and the 12 numbers are in roman numeral. It also has a dual alarm and a calendar. This is my grandfathers watch that my father passed down to me, and I just want to know the model number, and what year it was maybe made in. I’m not sure how to post a photo, but I can certainly provide you with one if you can help out! Also, on the back, it says Citizen Intellectus et foritudo.
Hi Mitchell, thanks for visiting my blog 🙂 Although I’m not so familiar with Citizen’s quartz models, I can give you some info about yours. The model number is a later type which is not like the earlier ones – the number you have given is in fact the model number: 6800-G80027TA, and it is from the ‘Intellectus et Fortitudo’ (Latin for understanding & strength I think) which were made in the 1990s as far as I know. A quick search for that model comes up with very little but I did find this image – is this like yours:
The quartz movement is the 6800, with alarm, dual time and timer functions. Here’s a link to the technical manual if you need info on setting it and its functions:
Click to access 6800.pdf
Looks like setting instructions are also engraved inside the case back, see the pics in this link:
http://s157.photobucket.com/user/1alexe/library/Citizen%20Intellectus%20et%20Fortitudo?sort=3&page=1
Does yours have a serial number on the back? If so we should be able to get the production date.
Stephen
Stephen,
You found the exact watch I spent hours trying to find online, where did you find that image? Great work, and yes, I can provide with a serial number, however the numbers are a little hard for me to read because it seems as if it’s slightly worn near the third number, but my best guess for it is, 008126!
Hi Mitchell, I found it by googling ‘citizen’ and the model number I think. From the serial number yours looks to be from August 1990.
Stephen
It is very thin watch, looks like gold fill, bracelet is part of the watch. Very “dressy” any idea of the worth?
Hi Gary – email just sent in reply to your question via the enquiry form. I avoid getting into estimating value, but I can say that generally quartz models in particular have little worth, unless they are the very early ones. Stephen
Gday Stephen
ive had my fathers watch since he passed away in 1989 but i cant seem to much on it
i was hoping u could help me figure this out as ive gone through ya blog as it keeps coming up in my searches 🙂
the watch itself is stainless with a white face says Citizen Quartz Seven .. with day and date … (days are in 2 languages )
on the back it says ..
Citizen
Water Resist
Stainless
2100-202708 TA
2 0 4 1 0 8 0
AZ-0152
GN-4W-U
Japan
if u could give me any info on this it would be greatly appreciated
Thank you in advance
Rob
i can send pics if u need 🙂
That would be good Rob – I’ll have to sort that after the weekend when my PC will be back in use
Stephen
Hi Rob, thanks for visiting my blog. My PC is out of commission for a few days so I haven’t got access to my reference material, but I know that the Quartz Seven was introduced around 1980, and is interesting since it was the first watch from Citizen to use a lithium battery with an 8 year life. Previous to that batteries lasted only a year or so. I’ll see if I can get more info in a few days time.
Stephen
Hi Rob, now I’m back at my PC I have to correct what I said before – I have checked the early quartz models and the one I referred to was in fact the Seven Star model (i.e. not just ‘Seven’). They had a different movement and used a lithium battery. Your father’s watch is a ‘Seven’ and has the 2100 movement in it which uses a silver oxide battery with a life of approximately 2 years. Apologies for the confusion – I am not so familiar with the quartz models as the earlier mechanical models. I’m not sure when the 2100 movements were produced and there is not much info available on them – yours could still be 1982, but it could also be from 1992. Here’s a technical guide to the movement for your information:
Click to access 2100.pdf
Stephen
hi ty for reply nar wasnt 1992 as dad passed in 89 and this was his … ty
*seem to find much on it …. sorry
Hi Rob I should have said in my first reply that your father’s watch was made in April 1982
Stephen
cheers ty also am i right to say that the the numbers 204 10 80
204 = is date and month ie 2 of april ..
1080 = watch production number and year ??
as this is what ive read from citizen 🙂
yes i cant find much on this watch myself lol .. ty
Hi Rob, you’re welcome 🙂 The year is the first digit of the serial number, which is ‘2’. So it looks like yours is from 1982. The next two numbers give the month – ’04’ so it’s April of that year. The problem with dating watches is you have to know the decade in which the watch was made.
Stephen
Hi Stephen dads left me a citizen watch ,could you please help with build date
4-068734smt
10597331
ay2044
GP
Thanks very much Leon.
Hi Leon, thanks for visiting my blog. I believe your watch is a quartz ‘Seven’. Although I am not too familiar with the quartz models, you might see that ‘Rob’ has recently asked about one of these which dates from the early 1980s. The serial number on yours gives a production date of May, 1981 – it could possibly be 1991 but I don’t know if they were still made then so 1981 seems most likely.
Stephen
Thanks Stephen your help is truly appreciated .
Leon
You’re welcome Leon 🙂
Hi, I have a gold coloured quartz citizen watch on a necklace chain given to me some years ago. Can’t find any info at all regarding age, value etc. wondering if you can help – no’s on case are 4-833066 KI and 1020627.
Thank you
Hi Rachel, thanks for visiting my blog. I’m afraid it’s going to be very difficult to find information on your watch, since Citizen have made many thousands of different models over the years, especially once quartz movements were mass produced. Is there any other information on the back of the watch? The case number you’ve given (4-833066) doesn’t get any results in my searches. The serial number (1020627) tells us it was made in February of 1981 or 1991 – I doubt that it is as late as 2001 if you were given it some time ago. I try to avoid trying to give valuations, since there are so many variable which affect value, but I’m afraid it’s likely that your watch has no great value (unless it’s a solid gold model of course). Collectors tend to go for older mechanical men’s watches, and some of the very early and rare quartz models.
Stephen
Rachel says:
January 13, 2014 at 22:25
Thanks stephen, for taking the time to reply to me. Dates given make sense and am guessing 1981 would be the year of production as I was born 1980 and I remember the watch always being around. Think it was bought in Germany as I was a Royal Airforce baby and we based there. Value isn’t important as was bought for me by my late grandad, just wondering if unusual/rarer piece for it’s year as on a chain and haven’t seen anything similar on Google. Not sure if gold, no hallmarks so guess not.Serial no on dial is 8300-834337-K along with info on case already given of 4-833066 KI 1020627 japan A.G.P thanks Stephen, promise not to bug you anymore
Hi Rachel, you’re not bugging me 🙂 I’m sorry I couldn’t find any more information.
Stephen
Hi,
Excellent blog, very interesting. I have recently acquired an older citizen watch and would like to know more about it.
the back has the following details:
Citizen Watch Co.
4-164067SMT
60723704
71-0024
Japan
GP
Around the outside of the back is inscripted: Base metal top, Stainless Steel back, waterresistant.
It has a gold coloured face and marked 21 jewels, Day & Date window with a seconds hand. The day indicator also has what looks like french marked on the dial.
If you are able to shed some information about this watches origins, that would be very much appreicated.
Regards,
Terry
Hi Terry, thanks for visiting my blog and for your comments. You have an automatic watch with the 8200 movement in it, with 21 jewels – it runs at 21,600 beats per hour and can be hand wound. The 8200 was introduced around 1975 and has been produced and developed ever since – it became Citizen’s base auto movement and was later used in the ‘Eagle 7’ models. However, yours is an early example so I presume from your description that it doesn’t have the ‘Eagle’ on the dial. I posted about another visitor’s example of an 8200, from 1979, here: https://sweep-hand.org/2013/01/27/the-8200-movement-citizens-standard-auto/
The info you’ve given from the watch back is:
4-164067 – the case number, used by watch makers to source correct parts and service information; SMT refers to the factory where it was made I believe, but I don’t know exactly
71-0024 – this is the model number, which again can be used to source parts
GP – tells us that the watch case is gold plated, over a base metal with a stainless steel back (screw on type I would guess)
60723704 – is the serial number, and this is where we can get the date of production. The first digit (6) refers to the year it was made, but we need to know what decade it was made in. This can be difficult with the 8200 watches since the movement has been used for over 30 years. However, I have a reference to your model in a 1977 case parts catalog, so we know it was from the 1970s. It can’t be earlier than 1975, so we can safely say it is from 1976. The next two digits (07) tell us it was made in July of that year.
Your model was made with French or Spanish day wheels, so you have the French version.
Stephen
Hi Stephen! I can’t seem to find any info on my watch ts a citizen quartz watch with the following on the back:
Base Metal YP
3220-958144 SJ
7031129
82-4968
Assembled in FR Germany
Any help is appreciated!
Thanks,
Dallas
Hi Dallas, thanks for visiting my blog. It is difficult to find information on Citizen’s many quartz models. Having looked at one or two examples on the internet of watches with the 3220 movement I would think yours was made in March 1987 (or possibly 1997). The date comes from the first three digits of serial number (7031129). The case number – 3220-958144 – provides the movement information. 82-4968 is the model number but that doesn’t help very much. ‘Base Metal YP’ tells us that it is a gold tone watch.
Here is a link to a technical manual for the 3220 quartz movement for your information: http://www.thewatchsite.com/files/Citizen%20Technical%20Manuals/3220.pdf
Stephen
Thank you so much!!
You’re welcome 🙂
could you say me what age is my watch?
that says my old citizen in the back:
CITIZEN
WATCH CO
4-901134K
70400571
GN-4W-S
67-9143
JAPAN
BLG
Hi Alejo, thanks for visiting my blog. Nice to hear you have one of the black coated Challenge Timers (aka ‘bullhead” of course). These are not seen very often. The first three digits in the serial number – 70400571 – give the production date. The 8110a chronographs were first made in 1972 and since I don’t think they were made as late as 1987, yours is from April 1977.
Stephen
thank you very much for the information. do you know how much can it be valued?
I avoid giving opinions on value since so many things can affect it – the best way is to search eBay for listings, including completed listings, and see what similar examples are selling for. Condition and originality are very important for collectors, and plated / coated watches are usually not liked as much as stainless steel.
Stephen
My grandmother gave me a citizen seven quartz watch with a gold band I’m not sure if it is vintage but here is the numbers off the back
3220-949421 SMO
4080884
BW-7244
I would really like to know the year and what it sold for in retail
Hi Jessica, thanks for visiting my blog. I recently had another visitor called Dallas ask about the kind of watch you have – this is what I said: Hi Dallas, thanks for visiting my blog. It is difficult to find information on Citizen’s many quartz models. Having looked at one or two examples on the internet of watches with the 3220 movement I would think yours was made in March 1987 (or possibly 1997). The date comes from the first three digits of serial number (7031129). The case number – 3220-958144 – provides the movement information. 82-4968 is the model number but that doesn’t help very much. ‘Base Metal YP’ tells us that it is a gold tone watch.
I would think that yours is from August 1994 – I think 1984 would be too early. I’m afraid I don’t know what these retailed for at the time since I don’t have any reference material for quartz models of that period.
Here is a link to a technical manual for the 3220 quartz movement for your information: http://www.thewatchsite.com/files/Citizen%20Technical%20Manuals/3220.pdf
Stephen
thanks for the insight.
Hi i have a citizen quartz watch jus wanted to know a bit about it on the back it says base metal yp. 6110-844971. 30600975
Hi Andy, thanks for visiting my blog. I have not got reference material for anything but the early quartz models, so my best guess is that yours is from the 1990s – June 1993 is indicated by the serial number. I’m sorry I can’t tell you more about it,
Stephen
hi sweephand first time on your very good blog ,is it possible to date my late fathers citizen quartz on the back from the top is
citizen watch co. stainless steel 4-860870ta 60802737 69-1038 gn-4-s japan i have tried to date it myself but cant any serial numbers like it
Hi Bob, thanks for visiting my blog and for your kind comment 🙂 Your father’s watch is one of Citizen’s early quartz models, using the 8630 7 jewel movement. Citizen first sold quartz models in 1973, and given the new technology at the time, and before mass production really took off, these were expensive watches, about twice the price of a high end watch from Citizen’s mechanical range. The model number of yours is 69-1038 and is referenced in my 1977 case parts catalog. The case number – 4-860870 – gives an indication of the movement used. The first three digits of the serial number (60802737)tell us that it was made in August 1976. Is the dial marked ‘Crystron’?
Although many hundreds if not thousands of quartz models have since been made by Citizen, these early examples are of some interest since they marked the start of a revolution in watch technology. Instead of the +/- 10 seconds per day accuracy of a decent mechanical watch, these offered +/- 10 seconds per month.
Stephen
thanks for that stephen it is very interesting to know the history of my watch, yes it does have crystron just under the logo,i must tell you that it looks just as good today as it did when my late father was wearing it. as my late mother bought it for him as a present and i know that she did not buy cheap things, would it be alright if you could give me some sort of valuation I still wear the watch everyday as it looks so good
yours bob
Hi Bob – sorry for late response (I did one already but it didn’t appear, mustn’t have hit the right button!). Anyway, good to hear your watch is looking and running good. I’m afraid that there’s not a lot of interest in these early quartz models, other than the very top end like the ‘4 Mega Quartz’. I can only suggest you search eBay, including completed listings, to see what similar models have sold for – ‘Vintage Citizen Crystron’ should find something.
Stephen
thanks for that stephen i will be leaving the watch in the family anyway cheers buddy
Hi Bob – that’s what I would do 🙂
Stephen
Hi sweephand , I’m trying to replace the glass on my citizen watch . The local jeweller says my watch isn’t worth repairing, but it’s got a lot of sentimental value so I’m keen to try to get it sorted. I bought it while I was on holiday in the Bahama in 1979. The info on the back of the watch is, 4 -713014 Y then 91100195 then lower down it has 44-7161 and SF -1 – U then Japan GP. From memory I think I paid about 100 dollars for it. I’ve no interest in it’s value only about any tips or advice about repairing it. It’ been a fantastic watch that been in weekly use… Thanks in anticipation
Hi Nick, thanks for visiting my blog. It’s great to hear that you have had your 1979 watch from new and have worn it week in week out 🙂 I’m afraid I don’t have very much information on Citizen’s quartz models. Yours is quite an early one – is the dial marked ‘Crystron’? I can’t find anything on your model (44-7161) or case number (4-713014) unfortunately, so I can’t find the part number for the glass. The case type code (SF-1) tells me it’s a square or rectangular watch – is that correct? Given that shape I don’t know whether you can get a new replacement glass that would fit. How bad is the old glass?
Stephen
Thanks for reply Stephen it ‘s much appreciated, unfortunately the watch doesn’t have any other markings. The face is square with chopped off corners. I actually wrote one of the pieces of info down wrongly the case number is 4-712013 Y . The glass is pretty much shattered sadly. I’m going to persist to see if I can get a specialist to make me one up. Really interesting blog
Thanks Nick
Hi Nick – thanks for the case number correction 🙂 The part number for the crystal is 54-76730. I’ve checked on Yahoo Japan, where old crystals can be found, but this one is not on there at the moment. Watch repairers can get this shape of glass I believe, which are roughly finished so they can be filed to fit if they are a little over-sized.
Stephen
Hi again Stephen, just one other piece of info is that the day section is dual language where Sun (Sunday ) is Dim ??
Thanks nick
Hi Nick – ‘Dim’ is Dimanche, i.e. French 🙂
Stephen
Nice one , many thanks for all the useful info
Regards Nick
You’re welcome 🙂
Stephen,
I writing you because you obviously know your stuff. Im new in the watch collection world and found a Citizen Intellectus et Fortitudo Id like to get more info on.
The front has a white face, with 5 dials including the main minute and hour dial. it has what looks like an image of Japan it at well. The back of the case says Intellectus et Fortitudo around a crowned staff with snakes wrapped around it. It is in excellent condition with the original strap. Works and functions perfectly.
numbers and words on back are:
103081
6720-G70340
base metal SSG
Citizen Watch Co.
based on your blog It was made in March of 1971 – Correct?
any info you have on this watch would be appreciated.
web link to what the face looks like
http://www.kalaydo.de/kleinanzeigen/armbanduhren-fuer-herren/citizen-6720-herrenarmbanduhr/a/41493894/
bare in mind that this is not my watch but that is what it looks like.
Thank you
James W.
Hi James, thanks for visiting my blog. The Intellectus et Fortitudo range looks to be a very impressive quartz model, with a variety of functions. They are not as early as 1971 though – that date would precede even the earliest of quartz watches. In fact these are from the 1990s, and were launched in 1990 (known initially as the ‘Avalon’ model in Japan) using a couple of variations of the 67xx and 68xx movements. From your information, yours was made in March 1991. As can be seen from the model number (6720-G70340) yours uses the 6720 movement – here is a technical manual for it: http://www.thewatchsite.com/files/Citizen%20Technical%20Manuals/6720.pdf
Looks like you’ll have lots of fun exploring all the things this one can do! 🙂
Stephen
Wow! That was a really fast reply. Thank you for all the info and the manual link. It seems pretty complicated but I’m going to have fun learning all of it. I will be visiting you again.
Great Blog!!
Thanks again!
Your newest fan,
James W.
You’re welcome James – and thanks for your kind comments,
Stephen
Quick question can you tell me for sure what the image on the watch face is. I thought is was a map of japan at first but it doesn’t look like it comparing it to a map of japan.
Hi James – I’ve had a look at a few examples on line, but I can’t see what it’s a map of – or even if it’s just a map-like design. I can’t find any info about the dial unfortunately. It’s described as almost holographic so it may be clearer when you get it and view from different angles. There are lines to be seen on the dial, as in a globe, at least on the black versions. Logically the map would be of a polar region, but I can’t see how it fits either North or South – see this example: http://cda.chronomania.net/forum_entry.php?id=67849
Stephen
If you are still wondering, it is a map of the world seen from the north pole. Hard to see, but try looking at the dial upside down and it makes more sense. Hope this helps!
Hi John, thanks for visiting my blog – and thanks for helping to clarify this!
Stephen
Stephen is there way i can send you a couple of pictures of an Citizen Avalon?
Hi James – I can email you and you can send by reply to that. I’m afraid only I can post pics directly on the blog,
Stephen
Sweephand, I have a new question about a sweephand citizen I recently found. I need some info about the age and value now. This watch another art deco .watch,and some 14K jewelry were barred in a zip-lock bag probable for at least 20 years. when the Citizen was removed and rotated several tine the sweephand moved watch was set and keeps perfect time. Watch info from back,
Citizen Watch Co., Water Resistance, $-R35264 RC, 100691, GN $W S, Front dial is Black, with fold slashes no numbers , hands glow ,sweephand , Citizen, Automatic, 21 jewelers.
When wear the watch a small amount of water spears on the f, when we open the cease we will have it dried.
Looking for Help Ken J.
Hi Ken – I’m struggling with this one I’m afraid. Can you re-post the numbers on the case back please – got a couple of dollar signs in there for some reason! 🙂
Stephen
thanks Stephen for the quick reply I think it is my typing, the $ are 4.
4R35264 RC 1000691 GN 4WS, The watch is in a gold case with Base ST, steel.
thanks Ken J
Hi Ken, thanks for clarifying the markings. Unfortunately I still can’t get any further – can you tell me if there is a dial code? This will be a very small number printed at the bottom of the dial, probably below the 6 o’clock marker.
Stephen
Stephen,Thanks for your hard work . I would not have seen the small numbers on the dial.
the Numbers are N-8200-R96230-Y and the watch band (bracelet) has CITIZEN imprint across the narrow width of the clasp latch and on the back of the latch CITIZEN ST STEEL.. the watch has only one stem which will change the day/date and set the watch. Above the 21 jewels lettering is a gold eagle with out stretched wings and a best plate of a re eagle head.
Hi Ken, thanks for checking out the dial code, that helps a lot. Your watch is one of the ‘Eagle 7’ range, which uses the 8200 automatic movement. Although that was first made around 1975, the 8200 has been used ever since and yours is one of the later models. The style of the model number – 4-R35264 RC – is a later type, used as recently as the 2000’s. From the serial number on the back (100691)it looks like yours is either from 1991 or 2001. I’m afraid I can’t be any more specific than that.
Stephen
THANKS Stephen for a great find. I was hoping for one of Antique Road Show $$$$$$$ watches to boost our retirement fund. I am 73 and having a great time working with our church and the community. In one of the first post we told about gold bracelets one was gold worth $206.00 . Again thanks for the wonderful help on the watch.
Ken J
You’re welcome Ken – I’m afraid the 8200 models don’t have any great value, although the movement is sound and reliable 🙂 A solid gold case and bracelet would of course have some value!
Stephen
Hello, I have a watch LesBergues Genève in gold. The watch is very original because there are two figures on.
On the back we can see : CITIZEN BASE METAL Y.P. ; 6 110 Y57682 FN; 9060222; QD9152; ASSEMBLED IN FR GERMANY.
I have tried to do some research on internet but i haven’t found any information.
I would like to know the date of manifacture and if this watch is rare, please??
i have tried to send you a picture but it doesn’t work 😦
Best regards.
Lolita
Hi Lolita, thanks for visiting my blog – I’m afraid only I am allowed to post pictures on the blog. I can email you and you can send pics to me so I can upload them. Let me know if you’re happy for me to do that, (I see visitors’ email addresses so you’ve no need to post it here). Picture would be very helpful!
Stephen
Hello Stephen, thank you so much for this quick answer! I appreciate a lot your blog and also that you are helping people ! I will send you an e-mail ! 🙂
Hi Lolita – email sent 🙂
Stephen
hello i have a citizen with 4-824261 k : case
31200411 : serial
gn-4w-s
can you give me some information on it thanks
Hi Swaggy, thanks for visiting my blog. Your watch is one of the ‘Eagle 7’ models, which uses the 8200 automatic movement. This movement was first used in 1975 and Citizen has used it ever since which makes them tricky to date. From the serial number I think yours was made in December 1983 (it could possibly be 1993, but 1983 seems more likely to me). There’s more info on the 8200 here: https://sweep-hand.org/2013/01/27/the-8200-movement-citizens-standard-auto/
Stephen
hi i have a citizen quartz gold watch. these are the numbers in the caseback 6000-G05904k. 1090239. GN-4-S …pls give me some info thanks
my father bought a citizen quartz women’s watch in the 70′s or 80′s (according to him to at an auction whose guest star was Miss World of that year). I still have it and have no idea how much it’s worth. I have no idea which one is the serial number or model number so I’m just writing everything I read on its back:
Citizen water resist base metal YP
5930-ST0794 SMW
0051309
GN O S – 5
it’s definitely vintage and it still works. I tried searching online but can’t find any info with all those numbers; all I find are pictures of what seems the same watch but no numbers match.
Please help!
Thank you
Hi and thanks for visiting my blog 🙂 Thanks as well for the information from the case back. The model number of yours is ‘5930-ST0794’ and although a Google search using that doesn’t come up with anything, this tells us that it uses the 5930 analogue quartz movement. I’m afraid I don’t have reference material for quartz models, so I have to go on how other watches with this movement have been described. Two sellers on eBay I found describe them as from 1996 and 1997. I think that this is a likely period for them, since the style of the model number is a relatively recent one. If that is correct, then the first three digits of the serial number (0051309) suggest May 1990. I know this is later than your father’s recollection of the date but do you think it could be 1990? The other case back markings relate to it being a gold tone watch, i.e. yellow plate (YP) on a base metal case. ‘GN O S-5’ is the case type.
Citizen have made a great many different quartz models and if you search for ‘Citizen 5930 quartz’ you will find other models which use that movement. Here’s a link to movement manuals, where you can find the one for the 5930 – unfortunately Citizen never put a date of publication on these: http://www.citizenwatches.com.au/instruction-manuals
Stephen
Thanks for your response and help! I tried my best to copy the numbers and letters from the back of the watch but, because they are so tiny, maybe instead of a “T” it’s the number 1 (5930-S10794). The watch is definitelly is not from the 90’s because I remember playing with it in the 80’s and my dad almost had a heart attack when he saw it on my tiny wrist (of course I was grounded). He also has a picture of him and that Miss World I mentioned before, and when I asked him about the picture he told me about how he got the watch.
I’ll check up the link and hopefully I can find something about this watch. Thank you so much!
You’re welcome 🙂 I’m sorry I haven’t got more info for you. Given your memories of it from the 1980s then it must have been from 1980. At least we know it couldn’t have been from 1970 since Citizen didn’t sell their first quartz watch until 1973!
Stephen
I received a beautiful little watch can you tell me about this one;
Oval, Citizen Quartz , base metal YP, 5920-849569 HSB, 250061, Mov’t Japan
Works fine looks like new, in fact the band next to my gold wedding ring looks exactly the same. I cannot make out the markings. I don’t want to take it to the jeweler without knowing something. I had no luck on Google. Thanks.
Hi Susan – thanks for visiting my blog 🙂 The model number of yours is ’5920-849569′ and although a Google search using that doesn’t come up with anything, this tells us that it uses the 5920 analogue quartz movement. I’m afraid I don’t have reference material for quartz models, so I have to go on how other watches with this movement have been described – there is also a 5930 movement which is another version, and I’ve just replied to another comment about that one. Two sellers on eBay I found describe these as from 1996 and 1997. I think that this is a likely period for them, since the style of the model number is a relatively recent one. If that is correct, then the first two digits of the serial number of yours (250061) suggest May 1992. The other case back markings relate to it being a gold tone watch, i.e. yellow plate (YP) on a base metal case.
Citizen have made a great many different quartz models and if you search for ‘Citizen 5920 quartz’ you will find other models which use that movement. Here’s a link to movement manuals, where you can find the one for the 5920 – unfortunately Citizen never put a date of publication on these: http://www.citizenwatches.com.au/instruction-manuals
Stephen
I have a Citizen watch that was given to me. I’m mostly curious about the year it was made. Markings on the back are:
CITIZEN WATCH CO.
BASE METAL YP
5920-S56590 HSB
714739
->6
I can’t read the # on the front as I don’t have a magnifier at the moment. Can you help me?
Thank you,
Jennifer
Hi Jennifer – thanks for visiting my blog 🙂 The model number of yours is ’5920-S56590′ and although a Google search using that doesn’t come up with anything, this tells us that it uses the 5920 analogue quartz movement. I’m afraid I don’t have reference material for quartz models, so I have to go on how other watches with this movement have been described – there is also a 5930 movement which is another version, and I’ve just replied to another comment about that one. Two sellers on eBay I found describe these as from 1996 and 1997. I think that this is a likely period for them, since the style of the model number is a relatively recent one. If that is correct, then the first two digits of the serial number of yours (714739) suggest January 1997. The other case back markings relate to it being a gold tone watch, i.e. yellow plate (YP) on a base metal case.
Citizen have made a great many different quartz models and if you search for ‘Citizen 5920 quartz’ you will find other models which use that movement. Here’s a link to movement manuals, where you can find the one for the 5920 – unfortunately Citizen never put a date of publication on these: http://www.citizenwatches.com.au/instruction-manuals
Stephen
Thank you! I was having trouble deciphering those markings. Have a great day!
thanks Jennifer, you’re welcome 🙂
How does one identify Mickey Mouse Citizen Watches w/ one jewel .. ? there is no serial number. The odd thing is this watch has white gloves and most that I have seen have yellow gloves
Hi Remi, thanks for visiting my blog. I’m afraid I don’t know the Mickey Mouse watches, but I guess that as with other children’s watches serial numbers are not used so a production date can’t be determined. Since it has just one jewel is yours a quartz model or a hand winder? I’m sorry I can’t be more helpful,
Stephen
Hello Stephen.
First, much gratitude and general kudos on your informative and just plain fun Citizen blog!
You’ve done a perhaps unexpected thing…motivated me to learn how to work on basic mechanicals…Citizens in particular.
To this end I enquire about my first practice piece, a Newmaster 22 (21 J. handwinder), for which I need as close to a Technical Guide as I can get. First step is, what the heck caliber does it have?
Data from the case back (which is an opaque cipher to me):
63-1019
908-7000
4-180615
The dial and back of the movement look pretty much identical to the sample Newmaster basic in your Hand-wind Gallery (the one that’s a bit cruddy looking). I looked really hard at the movement back and and dial. There may be marks beneath the balance wheel…or not. Can’t tell.
This old guy still winds, sets and ticks…but way too fast…and the center second hand appears to have broken off with its post. So it needs work…and I’ve no idea if parts can be got to restore the second hand. As said, it’s my first mechanical…tho I’ve gotten some preliminary experience on quartz movements.
Though knowing its production date would be nice, I mainly hope for any tips on accessing a tech sheet on the movement, to help guide my learning effort.
I compliment you again, and wish you many more successes with your fantastic blog.
Chuck
Hi Chuck – thanks for visiting my blog and for your very kind comments. Good to hear you are having a go at watch repairs, and glad that I’ve helped motivate you about that 🙂
Your Newmaster uses the ‘Homer’ movement, which was numbered 020 in its most basic form. Yours has a date window, so it is a 180 movement, which is indicated in the case number (4-180615). 63-1019 is the case number – not of great use these days, but I know that ’63-‘ models are hand winders with this type of movement. The first three digits in the serial number (9087000) indicates an August 1979 production date, and I have a reference to your model in the 1977 Citizen case parts guide so that date seems correct to me.
Spares are going to be very difficult to impossible to find, so I would suggest a donor movement is the likeliest way to source parts.
Here are a couple of schematics which may be of help – let me know if you want me to email them to you (I have your email address as a visitor here so no need to post it). I think you can ignore the parts in the boxes on the first diagram, which are parts for different models based on this movement:
Stephen
As a neighbor says, “Holy sweet snakies!” That was fast and compendious!
Alas, the links only brought me ads and a refusal to look. If either of them has something like a blowup of the movement or an actual “tech guide,” then I’d really appreciate it as an email or PDF.
And another alas… my watch doesn’t have a date window…which helped confirm that I have a mix-n-match–movement from one, case from another. Or maybe it’s just the case back, which doesn’t want to thread properly to begin with. I’m not much help to you, I fear.
Too bad otherwise…dial, crystal, movement, crown…all LOOK pretty neat and clean.
Doubtless this old fellow is worth no more than something to make mistakes on…though I hope not to. But since it runs SO FAST (about 5 minutes/hour), I’m afraid the balance assembly may be damaged. In time, I’ll know more.
Which was the objective anyway.
Much gratitude for you kindness and patience. Chuck
Hi Chuck 🙂 Not sure why you are seeing ads etc in the links, but I’ve now sent an email with jpeg files of the two diagrams.
It sounds like your watch has had a different back put on it, assuming of course that the movement is otherwise correct – i.e. an 020 ‘Homer’. For reference this movement looks like this:
Stephen
Many thanks again. If mine is NOT this movement type, I don’t see how.
Beneath the balance in your photo, I see “S” and on the other side “…60” which I gather are the specific identifiers for this piece. On mine, all I can discern are “Z”…but no perceptible numbers.
At any rate, I’m very grateful and impressed with your kindness and expertise. Citizen ought to put you on payroll.
You’re welcome Chuck. As long as the movement look the same I wouldn’t worry about the markings on it. My pic is of a movement from an official Japanese rail road model, with second setting, so they may well have been marked up differently.
‘Citizen ought to put you on payroll‘ – I like that idea 🙂
Stephen
I have a ladies citizens gold nugget watch. I was hoping to find out more about it. Don’t know if it is real or plated…It was given to me by my great aunt. I can post the links to the photos.
Hi Heather, thanks for visiting my blog. And thanks for the links 🙂 I’m afraid there is very little information available for ladies’ watches, but I can see if I can help. Do you know when your great aunt acquired the watch? And could you please let me know what markings are on the case back, they might help with this. Thanks,
Stephen
Thanks for the response. I really don’t know much. When my Aunt passed away she left me everything in her house. I am just guessing but I would say she got the watch in the 70’s or 80’s. Maybe at Belks. She liked to shop there. She did like nice things and was known to buy name brand items. The back says “CITIZENS WATCH 00, Base Metal YP
(small numbers) 5930-S25350SMW (Big Numbers) 2052529” I may have been off on this a little, the writing is small : )
Thanks so much for any help you can give me : )
Hi Heather, thanks for the info from the case back. The ‘base metal YP’ means that it is a gold tone plated watch. However, I’m a bit puzzled about your watch, since a search of the model number (5930-S25350) brings up a few examples, but with a different finish – see here for an example: http://img.inkfrog.com/click_enlarge1.php?image=DSCN4638.JPG&username=FrancisVazzano&aid=288316567
Your watch also has no dial markings – usually the dial would at least have been marked ‘Citizen’. The examples I’ve found are all marked Citizen and ‘quartz’, some with ‘CQ’ as well. From your pictures I can’t see for sure whether there is a winder in place – on the other examples it is very obvious. I wonder whether yours might be an after market customisation.
The model number tells us that the movement used is the 5930 quartz module – you can see a technical manual for it here: http://www.citizenwatches.com.au/instruction-manuals
As to age, this movement appears to be relatively recent (not least because the technical manual is still listed by Citizen) – the first three digits of the serial number (2052529) suggest May 1992.
Stephen
Thanks for the insight. It is strange that it doesn’t have citizens on the face. It only has it on the back. It does have a winder. I may have been wrong about getting it when my Aunt passed away. I graduated high school in 1992. It may have been a graduation present from her. I just can’t remember. I broke out the magnifying glass and flash light (LOL) and the numbers were correct that I listed. one of the numbers has letters after it: S25350SMW…don’t know if that means anything…And also it wasn’t 00 after Cizizens Watch. it was CO which means company I assume. I am linking a photo of the back. Just to see if you see anything unusual. Thanks for all of your help!
Heather
Hi Heather,
thanks for the additional information. ‘SMW’ after the number is, as far as I know, a factory reference so doesn’t affect the model number. I’m afraid there’s nothing in the links – could you try again?
Stephen
Sorry about that. Maybe this link will work.
Hi Heather, thanks for posting that link, it works fine. The case back looks entirely correct (the arrow + 6 is where the back can be levered off by the way). So either it was a custom model or it has been changed by someone later – I’m still not sure why the dial is not marked ‘Citizen’ though. That suggests to me that it has been modified later rather than by Citizen.
Stephen
Hi.I am glad to meet you.I have a citizen watch, but I can’t find any information about this watch, so.Could you help me, please?.Thanks you very much.
This is the following on the back :
Citizen Watch Co.
W.R: 10 Bar.
Titanium.
Antimag 4800.
E710-H25888 TA.
050647.
gn-4w-s.
Hi Quan, nice to meet you too 🙂 And thank you for visiting my blog. My area of knowledge is of the vintage models so I am not able to help you too much. Your watch is an Eco-drive using the E710 movement which has a perpetual calendar. I can’t find anything on your particular model (model number E710-H25888) but I have found a technical manual on the movement which may be of help: http://www.citizenwatch-global.com/support/simple_pdf/e71x.pdf
The serial number on yours (050647) suggests a production date of May 2000, and the ‘gn-4w-s’ refers to the water resistant case type.
Stephen
Hi i have recently been left with a few watches from a recent fsmily membr could i email pics to find out about them please!?
Hi Toby, thanks for visiting my blog – I can take a look and help if I can. I’ll send you an email since you can’t post pics directly here. I have your email address since I get that whenever someone comments 🙂
Stephen
hey hero!!! im so glad i so randomly came upon your website!!. im in the doubt of buying this citizen watch on ebay. ive been looking online at least a day for information on the watch and i found nothing.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Retro-Mens-Citizen-CQ-Day-Date-Metallic-Navy-Dial-35mm-N-1100-R52569-Y-/310951446948?pt=Wristwatches&hash=item48662689a4
i hope you can tell me something about the watch, i hope its not a fake and with your awesome knowledge if u can tell if the price is worth to buy. thanks you!!!!!
Hi Boy Wonder 🙂 thanks for visiting my blog. I don’t know about ‘hero’ though! My area is mainly the older mechanical models so I’m less familiar with more recent quartz models. I’ll tell you what I know about this one. First I think it’s a genuine model – it uses the 1100 quartz movement which is identified via the model number (1100 RR52569). If you Google ‘Citizen Quartz 1100’ you will find a few other examples for sale or sold on eBay, with silver, gold and black dials. They all seem to be of the same design and are marked the same way as the one you are looking at. The coin edge bezel gives these models something of a retro look, but I’m not sure how old they are – Citizen has made many thousands of quartz models over the years and I don’t have reference material for them. I would guess this one comes from the 1990s – if so, the production date of this one, from the first three digits of the serial number (020015) indicate February 1990. Alternatively it could be 2000, but 1990 seems more likely to me. Here’s a link to a technical manual for the movement (not dated I’m afraid so it doesn’t help with the production date): http://www.thewatchsite.com/files/Citizen%20Technical%20Manuals/1110.pdf
As to the price / value, have a look at the others you can find by Googling or an eBay search – that should help you compare this one.
Stephen
Hi Stephen.
My mother found a watch in her wardrobe she hasn’t looked at for about 20 – 30 years. Would you be able to tell me anything about it. The case number is 4-101456 and the serial number is 911369.
Thanks.
Hi Jordan, thanks for visiting my blog. Can you tell me what is on the dial of the watch? If possible can you read a dial code near the 6 o’clock marker – you might need a magnifier for that, but it can be very helpful in identifying the movement inside. Also are there any other marks on the case back, especially a model number in the form of 12-3456?
Stephen
The model number is 49-2141 and I believe the dial code is 1000-101194-Y.
Thanks for the info Jordan – I can’t find any images for that model number, but the dial code suggests it has the 1000 quartz movement inside. This is a 5 jewel design first made in the 1980s as far as I can make out. The first three digits of the serial number gives the production date, so yours indicates January 1989. Sorry I can’t provide any more information, but I have little reference material on Citizen’s quartz models.
Stephen
I got my Dad’s watch with me it’s a Citizen para shock 17 jewels, on back case it’s written 63-1019 & 9087000, and as per him he bought this 1972, I want to know something more about it and also the a manufacturing
Hi Ajay, thanks for visiting my blog. Your Dad’s watch uses the ‘Homer’ hand winding 1801 movement with date complication. The model number (63-1019) means that it should have ‘Newmaster’ on the dial. Although the movement was first produced in 1962, the Newmasters are from the late 1960s / early 1970s, so your father’s recollection that he bought it in 1972 fits that time frame. The serial number indicates production in August 1969.
An interesting issue about your father’s watch and others I have seen, is that these models all seem to have the same serial number. This is odd, but there is nothing to suggest they are not authentic, especially since you father remembers buying it when it was new. Do you know where he bought the watch?
Stephen
Stephen
Hello Stephen,
Afraid I’m back again with a request for data I can’t find elsewhere–namely, where can I obtain luminous hands to fit the 8200a movement?
I wrote earlier about a Newmaster (Homer hand-wind) that was too needy for my limited skills. A kind friend sent me a couple of newer 21J. autowind day-daters to practice on.
One of them is coming along well (so far) and may be my first actual success.
If so, I wish to install non-standard highly luminous hands (for night-time use…which is now not possible).
Dr. Ranfft’s archive indicates unexpectedly odd hand hole sizes…so I’m at a loss about where they can be sourced.
If you have a tip, I’d be much obliged
I continue to enjoy following your blog–consistently the most informative and liveliest of its kind I know of!
Hi Chuck, nice to hear from you again, and thank you for your kind comments 🙂
Here are some after market lumed hands for the 8200 auto: eBay item number 310379258481
And after market hands for a diver: eBay item number 131189159712
These are after market so are not made by Citizen, but I guess they should give decent lume since they are new. What do you think?
Stephen
Thanks for just the right Info, once again.
One of these ought to suffice.
You’re welcome Chuck 🙂
Stephen
Hi Stephen,
I have this Citizen watch that I inherited. Can you help me out on what year is it made and how much does it cost now? Here it is what is written on the back of the watch:
Citizen Watch Co.
5500 – R16026 RC
370955
GN – 0 – S > 5
Thanks
Tim
Hi Tim, thanks for visiting my blog 🙂 The watch you have is a relatively recent quartz model, so I can’t help you that much I’m afraid. The movement is a 5500, which is indicated by the model number (5500-R16026). GN-0-S is a code for the case type, which a watch maker would use as a guide to servicing the watch. >5 indicates the position where the case back can be levered off (i.e. the 5 o’clock position). The first three digits of the serial number (370955) give the production date, so it is either July 1993 or July 2003. I’m sorry I don’t know which it is for sure. Although the 5500 movement can be very accurate it is not one of Citizen’s high end quartz movements so I’m afraid it isn’t of great value.
Stephen
Hi Stephen i am Mark i have Citizen watch that i recently bought on car boot sale and i am wondering if they have any value and what year they were made here is whats on the back
H500-S055148
Serial number is 884015
Cheers
Mark
Hi Mark, thanks for visiting my blog. You have a modern Eco-drive watch, an analog chronograph model. From the serial number it was probably made in 2008. If you Google the model number – H500-S055148 – you can find examples, some of which have been sold on eBay which will give you an idea of value. Value is affected by condition of course, and whether or not it is in good working order.
Stephen
Thanks
Dear Stephen:
I continue to enjoy your blog immensely, and compliment you again for same.
I have a problem, and you’re the only person i can think of who might be able to help. A friend with rapidly failing vision asked me to re-case a very nice 8200A autowind for him. Its present case is damaged badly. He has a good case of similar design with a dead movement.
I said I’d do it for him, thinking my own success in replacing several Citizen movements (all quartz, however), as well as other brands, should give me the needed savvy.
Unfortunately…. I cannot perceive how to remove the stem on this movement. Nor can I discover online information on disassembly of the 8200 series. This, of course, poses difficulties.
I don’t mind damaging the ruined movement. But surely, there’s a trick I just can’t discern.
Any insights will be welcomed with gratitude.
Yours, Chuck Merrill
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Hi Chuck, thanks again for your kind comments. I don’t have an 8200 movement, but based on other movements, the stem is usually removed by gently pressing a button close to the stem, for example with a very small screw driver, and pulling it out. The crown should be pulled out to the time setting position before doing this. I looked at a pic of the movement and it looks like the button may be here (at the point of the arrow):
Stephen
My, what an outstanding support network you are! This tip + photo look like the logical arrangement. I don’t know how I missed seeing it. So I shall try again within the day.
And…if I have good luck with the whole project, I shall have an extra 8200 + some kind of case left over. Probably not a prize assemblage by that time–but all the same…
If I do…I offer it to you as a token of gratitude.
Let me know when convenient. It’ll take me a few days’ part-time tinkering to get to that point anyway. Who knows…a little happiness on this project might reawaken my shaky desire to work on old mechanicals. Should that happen, however, I’m pretty sure I’ll have to look again for a plain-jane Homer or the like to test my mettle on. Automatics just…scare me.
Yours, chuck m..
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You’re welcome Chuck, always good to help a fellow enthusiast. I hope you are able to sort the watch for your friend. And it’s very kind of you to offer the other piece, I’d be happy to receive it 🙂
Stephen
Well enough. Your kind suggestions worked perfectly. So progress, albeit halting, is happening. Without a tech guide, I can only feel my way on most things. Nevertheless, I believe I can make good on my offer in a couple of weeks. So, at some point, i’ll have to obtain a mailing address. No hurry. Age keeps me from doing much at one time…
Respectfully, Chuck
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I can do you a couple of scans of ‘exploded’ diagrams of the 8200 movement if that would help,
Stephen
Indeed yes. Very kind of you.
Am I correct in supposing the 8200 is an outgrowth of the Homer series? There seem to be similarities in several regards.
Many thanks.
Hi Chuck – I don’t know about whether the Homer was a predecessor of the 8200. They aren’t shown as part of the same family in the Citizen technical manual, and I’m no watch tech so I can’t tell! Here are the scans. Let me know if you want them via email – I have your email address since they are shown when a visitor comments so no need to post it.
Stephen
Aye, indeed. These will help.
Muchissimas gracias, Senor!
You’re welcome Chuck. Good luck with the fettling 🙂
Stephen
Hello,
i found your website while i am searching for some information about my watch.
The front says Citizen Watch Water Resist 10bar (roman numbers with small gold “nuggets” over every number) it also has Day and Month. the ring is gold plated (on top of the body made out of metal)
And on the back is the following:
Citizen Watch Co.
Water Resist
Base Metal SSG
6100-G02239 Y
9100196
GN-4-S
Japan -> 10
Do you know what kind of model it is and when it was produced?
Hi Ingo, thanks for visiting my blog. It will be a few days before I can reply to you since I don’t have access to my pc at the moment.
Stephen
Hi Ingo, sorry for the delay in replying to your comment, I have been on a short family holiday. Your watch is a quartz model, so I’m not so familiar with it compared to the mechanical movements. I have found one image of your model (6100-G02239) but it has a different dial based on your description: http://www.abload.de/img/bild26554kumv.jpg. I’m afraid I’m not sure when the 6100 movement was made, yours could either be from 1989 or 1999. The ‘-> 10’ marking indicates where the back can be levered off (i.e. the 10 o’clock position). Here’s a technical guide for your movement: http://www.citizenwatch.com/downloads/techguides/6100.pdf
Stephen
Hi,
I’ve been trying to find information on my watch online, but haven’t any luck at all. I found your blog while searching and hopefully you can help me out. I’ve got an old Citizen watch given to me in the 70’s or 80’s, forgot when exactly. I’ve tried typing in all the information on the watch but still couldn’t find anything. Any info will be a great help. Here are the info.
Front Face
CITIZEN
21JEWELS
JAPAN 0100-012973-K
Back of watch
BLG
CITIZEN
0100
4-012763 TA
4064294
66-1767
Here are some other additional info. The watch consist of two hands, gold finish center and brown finish elsewhere. Hopefully you can tell me which is the serial or model number too. Actually I am assuming that 4064294 is the serial number. Thanks in advance. Links or images would be great too.
Rich
Hi Rich, thanks for visiting my blog, and for providing a very comprehensive list of the information to be found on your watch 🙂
First of all, 66-1767 is the model number – unfortunately I haven’t any images / link on this particular model.
4-012763 is the case number – again I haven’t any images for this number.
The dial code is matched by the ‘0100’ on the back, and this gives us the movement type. The ’01’ part of the case number also indicates this movement. This two hand movement was used in both men’s and women’s models – if it had a second hand the movement would be ‘2500’. There were a number of versions of the 0100 movement, so you’d have to find the number stamped on the movement itself to determine exactly which one, see also page 11 of the Movement Table: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/stephen.netherwood/VintageCitizenMovementTablev6.0Secure.pdf
‘BLG’ refers to the black coated case, with gold bezel.
This movement first appeared in the mid-1970s, so with the help of the first three digits in the serial number – 4064294 – it looks like yours was made in June 1974. It could possibly be 1984, but I think 1974. I have a case parts catalog from 1977 and this lists some ’66’ models, with case numbers 4-013xxx and the 0153 movement, so Citizen was well into the later versions of the movement by then.
Here’s a link to some more info on the movement: http://www.ranfft.de/cgi-bin/bidfun-db.cgi?10&ranfft&0&2uswk&Citizen_0110
Stephen
Hi Stephen,
Wow, thanks for all that info. Much appreciated. I also believe that it is made in 1974, because I’m pretty sure it was given to me before 1984.
By the way, would you know if it might be valuable or not? I’m not planning on selling it but it is always nice to know what you have. You might not be able to give me a price but is it collectible? The watch has been unused and packed away since I’ve got it. Thanks again.
Rich
p.s. Would you know anything about Seiko 5 watches?
You’re welcome Rich. As to value of vintage Citizens, it’s really only the high end models, especially the rare ones, and chronographs that are of interest to most collectors so I’m afraid yours won’t be of any great value.
I know a little about Seiko 5’s, and I’m sure I know people who know them very well! Let me know what info you are after and I’ll try and get an answer.
Stephen
Hi Stephen,
Thanks. I guess I can cancel my order for a rotating display case. LOL.
In regards to my Seiko 5. It was also given to me and haven’t really been used. Same questions as before for the Citizen. Here are the info on the watch. Thanks.
Front
Seiko 5
Automatic
(Can’t read the numbers below)
Back
Seiko Water Resistant
220468
KY
Stainless Steel 7009-3040F
Thanks,
Rich
Maybe so Rich! 🙂
The Seiko 5 line has been produced for over 30 year so dating them is tricky, since we need to know which decade it is from. The model number (7009-3040F) narrows this down a bit since the 7009 movement was replaced by the 7s26 in the mid-1990s. As far as I know the 7009 was introduced in the 1980s, but since it was still being used in the early 1990s yours could either be from February 1982 or February 1992 (from first two digits of the serial number, 220468). I understand that the 7009 was Seiko’s most widely used movement.
I’ll try and check out the production year for your model to see if we can narrow it down.
Stephen
Hi Stephen,
Thanks again for the info. I think it is probably 1982, because I believe I’ve received it before ’92. Also I guess it is not that collectible because it seems to be a common model.
Once again thanks for all your help.
Cheers,
Rich
You’re welcome Rich – although not particularly collectable, in good condition, these are reliable movements with decent accuracy,
Stephen
Hello can we check mine citizen i wanna know prod year ?
Parawater
4-202520 and i believe it’s 63-4123
Thank You
4-020520 😀 63-4123
Hello again , mine post was removed , maybe i have made a mistake but ok ..
I just wanna know date of production of Citizen.
It’s Citizen para water 4-020520 63-4123..
Thank You
Hi Weko, your posts weren’t showing because I needed to ‘approve’ them. The WordPress blog software requires approval for all new comments, so sorry that you thought yours had been removed. They should all show up now 🙂
Is there anything else on the case back of your watch, particularly a serial number?
Stephen
Stephen
Hi Stephen 😀
It seems to me that the number of starts so 80211 rest is in very bad condition almost impossible to see..
It’s very nice Citizen
Thanks Weko – the first part of the serial number gives us the date of production, so that’s what we need 🙂 Yours was made in February 1968 (‘802’ in the serial number). The watch is a manual wind with the 02 ‘Homer’ movement. It has to be 1968 since they weren’t made in 1958 (first produced in 1960), and it would not be marked ‘parawater’ if it was made in 1978 – by then watches were marked ‘water resistant’.
Stephen
Hi Stephen, My Wife has was given an old Citizen Eco watch. I’m looking for info on the watch. The numbers on the back are:
5421-K17489CK
580170
Any info you can provide would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks! You have an amazingly thorough and interesting blog!
Hi Steve, thanks for visiting my blog and your kind comments. I’m afraid I can”t help too much with your Eco-Drive since they are much more recent than my area of knowledge. The Eco-Drives were first launched in 1995, so if yours is an old model, then the serial number (580170) suggests it was made in August 1995. Having said that, are you sure the watch is an Eco-Drive? The model number – 5421-K17489 – indicates a 5421 movement inside, and when I had a look round for that it appears to be a non solar quartz. Here’s a link to movement instruction manuals, where you can find the 5421: http://www.citizenwatches.co.nz/instruction-manuals
Stephen
Hi,
I recently purchased 3 citizen watches that I loved the look of and now I just want to know around what time they are from
The numbers on the back of them are as follows
#1 –
4-s81462 hst
845791
gn-4w-s
#2
N6 7S26-0060 A4
778313
#3
7S36-0090 A4
963580
Thank you for any help you can give me.
-Ian
Hello, I have a CITIZEN watch and I am having a hard time finding out anything about it. if you could help me I would greatly appreciate it. the back says: CITIZEN
WATCH CO
BASE METAL TOP
4-151 216 FC
86-2282
6070901
THANK YOU
Thank you for visiting my blog. Your watch is from the 1970s, and I believe it is a woman’s hand winding watch with a 17 jewel 0153 movement inside. The model (86-2282) is listed in the 1977 watch parts catalog so I can be sure that the information I’m giving is correct. The ‘base metal top’ inscription suggests it looks like stainless steel, but is probably a nickel alloy. Does it have a white dial? The catalog listing suggests it does if I understand the coding correctly. 4-151216 is the case number and the ‘151’ helps to identify the movement used. 6070901 is the serial number and the first three digits give the production date – we know it was made in the 1970s so this tells us that it was made in July 1976.
This link gives more info on the movement: http://www.ranfft.de/cgi-bin/bidfun-db.cgi?10&ranfft&0&2uswk&Citizen_0153
Stephen
Hi I have a citizen watch, I don’t know anything about the watch and cannot find it in the table can you help me please, its a gold watch on the back is a silver plate. On the plate : 66-3026 citizen G.P stainless back 4-330081 yo 9128586 and ons the face 21 jewels
Hi and thank you for visiting my blog 🙂 It can be hard to identify what movement is used in a particular watch, and if there is no model name on the dial then the Movement Table can’t help very much. What you have is a ladies’ watch from the 1970s. 66-3026 is the model number, and 4-330081 is the case number. The ’66’ and ‘4-33’ combination means this watch uses the hand winding 015 movement, probably 0153 in fact. The 015 is part of a family of movements numbered 0110 to 0170 and can be found on page 11 of the Movement Table. Now we know that the movement was produced in the 1970s, the first three digits in the serial number (9128586) can be used to pin down its production date, i.e. December 1979. I’m assuming from the model / case numbers that the watch has just two hands, so it will have the 015 movement – however, if it has a second hand then the movement number will be 2300 03 2340. Since yours is from 1979, i.e. later in the production run, and if it has a second hand, then it may use the later version of the movement, the 51 or 53. This link has a pic of the movement and the variations: http://www.ranfft.de/cgi-bin/bidfun-db.cgi?10&ranfft&0&2uswk&Citizen_0110
Stephen
Dear Stephen,
Im impressed by your knowladge!
Could you please help me with my citizen watches?
I cant understand what of this numbers are serial or model number.
On the back side:
citizen watch co.
base metal wp
3220-322045 TA
606382
32-8570
Japan – 12
and on the clasp: citizen stainless japan
they look like this one http://timerecs.com/inf/43247-vintage_citizen_seven_gold_tone_wrist_watch_gold_tone_stainless_steel_band.html
but there are numbers on the clock face and in silver tone.
Finally i want to know something about age, or release date.
Thank you for any information or thoughts about this stuff in advance!
Best regards,
Dasha
Hi Dasha, thanks for visiting my blog and for your kind words:) This what the numbers mean on the case back:
3220-322045 is the case number, which indicates that there is a 3220 quartz movement inside
32-8570 is the model number – watch makers would use these numbers when servicing or repairing watches to find the correct part numbers
Japan ->12 indicates where the case back can be levered off (i.e. at the 12 o’clock position)
606382 is the serial number and the first three digits indicate the production date. However we need to know which decade the movement was used in. I’m not so familiar with the quartz models, but I think this is from the 1990s, so if that’s correct yours is from June, 1996.
Stephen
Hi Stephen, my name is Francisco from Argentina. Congratulations on your blog, is very interesting. I buy a watch citizen 17 jewels shock proof, on the back cover says 20 microns STAR STAINLESS STEEL BACK CGP H0150801
60904363 within the clock says HOMER, would you kindly give me some information on my watch. Thank you very much.
greetings
Hi, thanks for visiting my blog and for your kind words 🙂 You have a gold plated hand winder with the ‘Homer’ movement. If it has no date window then it will be the ’02’ movement which was first made in 1960. HO150801 is the case/model number, which would help a watch maker find parts etc. The first three digits of the serial number (60904363) give a production date of September 1966. Is the watch marked waterproof or parawater? If it’s ‘waterproof’ then it’s likely to be an export model.
Hope this helps,
Stephen
good day sweephand.
i’v been browsing the internet to find some answers to my query and thanks a link that direct me to your very informative and interesting blog and i knew from the very 1st time i read your articles, you are the one who could enlighten my dark query about my Citizen watch it says at the back; Water Resist ST. Steel, 4-r17227 RC, 4N0028 AND GN-4W-S.
thank you very much
Hi Jhong, thank you for visiting my blog. From the case back information, it looks like you have an ‘Eagle 7’ automatic watch. This uses the 8200 movement that Citizen first made around 1975. They used this movement for over 30 years, so it is difficult to pin down the production date. The style of the model and serial numbers suggest to me that it one of the later models, so I would think it’s from November 1994 (from the first two digits in the serial number 4N0028).
Hope this helps,
Stephen
Hey, I see you have helped a lot of people, so I hope you will be able to do so for me as well 😀 I bougth a citizen watch on a flea market, it looks pretty cool, but I can’t find anything like it online…It seems genuine, but as I sead, nothing online so far. Here are the details form the back case, I’ll write them all down, since I have no clue which info is important 😛
BASE TITANUIM TI YP
WATER RESIST
4610-E63557 TA
0080910
GN-4-S
JAPAN 12
Thank you very very much
Hey There! I was given two watches and I’m wondering what they’re worth and what year they were made in.
Watch #1
front:
CITIZEN
QUARTZ
(on the botton it says “JAPAN 6020-G19031 KA” but it’s hard to read so there can be a typo)
back:
CITIZEN WATCH CO.
BASE METAL YP
6020-G05050 YO
1 0 4 0 8 9 5
JAPAN => 12
Watch #2
front:
OMEGA
De Ville
(on the botton it says “Swiss Made”)
back:
De Ville (written in some church/castle logo)
54403969
Any help would be appreciated!
Hi H, thanks for visiting my blog. My area of expertise is Citizen’s older mechanical watches, so I can’t help too much I’m afraid. Your Citizen watch is an ‘Elegance’ model I think, and is most likely from the 1990s. The serial number indicates production in April 1991. Not of any great value I’m afraid, since it is a gold tone watch – solid gold would be different 😉
Sorry, but I can’t help at all with your Omega – try and internet search, I’m sure you’ll find lots of info.
Stephen
Hello Stephen
My Citizen have serial :
4-S81560
825320
I guesss it make from July 1988 . Is it right ?
Hi Meta, thanks for visiting my blog. I believe you have an ‘Eagle 7’ model with the 8200 automatic movement. The serial number indicates it was made in February 1988 (825320),
Stephen
can help me explain when it made and how much it price now? 🙂
CITIZEN WATCH CO
4-062892 SMT
10934409
GN-4W-S
71-1853
CITIZEN AUTOMATIC JEWEL 21
Hi Asri, thanks for visiting my blog. Your watch uses the 8200 automatic movement which Citizen first made around 1975, and has used and developed it ever since. So dating it can be difficult. Does the dial have the ‘Eagle 7’ logo on it? If so it will probably be from September 1991. If not, it may be from September 1981. I avoid trying to do valuations, but I can say that these models are not of any great value, although in good condition the movement is a sound and reliable one.,
Stephen
how u said it made in 1991… this watch is from my late grandfather… this with my family more than 40 years… that why i ask u when its made…. this watch mirror is square… like crystal…
Hi Asri – as I explained it can be difficult to date watches which use the 8200 movement because it was in production for over 30 years. The serial number starts with ‘109’ so it was made in September of either 1981 or 1991. It can’t be 1971 because the 8200 automatics were not made then – they were first made around 1975. So it looks like yours is from 1981, since you can remember your grandfather owning it for a long time.
Stephen
I just received 3 citizen watches. Ana-digi Temp new. Could I email you a picture of the back numbers, so that maybe you can tell me what year they were made? F
Hi Fernando – thanks for visiting my blog. I’ll send you an email so you can get the pics to me,
Stephen
Hi Fernando – I sent you an email a few days ago. Did you receive it?
Stephen
Hi Stephen,
I have recently got a watch from my Father-in-Law, with the following marking:
CITIZEN
0100
4-012747 S
STAINLESS STEEL
4010252
66-1511
This is a rectangular watch (21 Jewels).
Can you please identify this watch for me?
Hi Ravinder, thanks for visiting my blog. Thank you also for all the information from the watch back. This tells us that the watch has the 0100 21 jewel hand winding movement inside, which is a two hand version (i.e. no second hand). The movement is a compact design and was used in both men’s and women’s watches. The case number – 4-012747 – confirms the movement used, whilst the model number – 66-1511 – is also a guide since ’66’ models used these movements. The 0100 (and 0200 three hand versions) were made in the mid-1970s, and the first three digits in the serial number (4010252) give us an exact production date of January 1974.
Stephen
Thanks for your detailed and prompt reply Stephen.
How would you rate this watch in terms of its vintage value and uniqueness in view of its two hand version.
Further, my watch has its original bracelet replaced with some other one. can I get to know from where I can get an original one particular to this model?
Also, could you please enlighten me about the name of this particular model (If any) to search it on internet?
Regards!
Ravinder
You’re welcome Ravinder 🙂 As far as I know there is no model name for this watch, and although generally I avoid giving opinions on value, I’m afraid these don’t have any great value since they are not particularly ‘collectable’. It will be very difficult to find an original bracelet – it may be possible to find one that is similar in style, or you might be able to find the same model for sale on eBay. I found this completed sale, using ‘Citizen’ and the case number (4-012747) as the search. Is this like yours?: http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/New-Old-Stock-Vintage-Retro-Square-CITIZEN-Hand-Winding-Watch-21J-Men-039-s-Run-/221263952022
Stephen
Hi Stephen,
Thanks for your reply.
Bit disappointed, but happy to have a slice of history with me 🙂
Regards,
Ravinder
Hi Ravinder, you’re welcome – and thanks again for contributing here,
Stephen
Hi Stephen!
I have found a Citizen watch at my parents’ house and I can’t seem yo find any information about it online. The information on the back is:
CITIZEN WATCH CO.
WATER RESIST
STAINLESS
4-039181 HST
518927
GN-4-S
I would like to know the year it was made, but any other information would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you!
Hi Oana, thank you for visiting my blog. From the case number (4-039181) I believe you have an ‘Eagle 7’ model, which uses the 8200A automatic movement first produced around 1975. ‘GN-4-S’ is the case type, and indicates a water resistant crystal (glass) and screw on case back. The eagle 7 models were introduced in the 1980s and the first two digits of the serial number (518927) provide the year of production, which is January 1985.
The 8200 was Citizen’s ‘workhorse’ movement for well over 30 years. In good condition it is reliable and accurate. More information here: https://sweep-hand.org/2013/01/27/the-8200-movement-citizens-standard-auto/
Stephen
Thank you for your prompt answer, Stephen! You have been very helpful!
You’re welcome 🙂 Glad I can be of some help
Hi Stephen, I have a Citizen Gold Watch – Eco Drive, given to me by my grandmother. t has a number on the back 63 10 28
It is working but does not keep time, could this be because it has not seen the light of day for a long time or do I eed to get it looked at please?
I love its simple art decor look and would very much to wear it.
thanks
Cassandra
Hi Cassandra, thanks for visiting my blog. I’m not an expert on the eco-drive models since they are modern movements. I understand that if the power is low the second hand will jump two seconds at a time. If it is running slow or erratically, it may need a service. It’s probably best to ensure that the battery is fully charged, and then see how it runs. Here’s a little guide about the eco-drives:
http://www.citizenwatch.com/eco-sig/faq-category/eco-drive/
I hope you can get it running properly,
Stephen
Hi ,
I have recently received a watch that my grandfather gave to me and would like to know more about it the numbers on the back show
380F 898435 SMT and 6 0 3 2 3 9 11
If possible I would like to know today’s value also , thanks in advance
Hi ,
I commented earlier I just wanted to make sure you had all info needed
BASE METAL YP
3801-898435 SMT
6 0 3 2 3 9 1 1
35 – 8347
GN – 4W – S
Hi Val, thank you for visiting my blog and for the information about your watch. I’m afraid I’m not going to be too much help since my area is mainly the older mechanical watches. Your watch is a quartz model (model number is 35-8347) and the case number (3801-898435) gives us the movement – 3801. The other markings relate to the case material – ‘BASE METAL’ is plated with gold tone plating (YP = Yellow Plate), and the case type – GN-4W-S – is typical of a water resistant case and crystal with screw down case back. The serial number – 60323911 – helps to date a watch, but we need to know which decade the watch was made in. And I’m struggling to find out exactly when the 3801 was produced. From comments on a couple of forums and eBay sales, my best guess is the 1990s, which would give a production date of March 1996 for yours (from the first 3 digits in the serial number).
I try to resist offering opinions on value since that could invite too many valuation requests on the blog, but I can say that I’m afraid your watch is of no great value these days. There have been so many quartz models produced and manufacturing costs are so low that there is little interest in them unless they are very early and/or very rare examples. You should be able to find some examples that have been sold or are offered for sale by Googling ‘Citizen 3801 Quartz’
I hope this is of some help,
Stephen
Hi Stephen, thank for offering such valuable advice to watch owners. I’m sure it’s well appreciate it.
I have been given a Citizen Automatic Stainless Steel Shockproof and Waterproof mens watch with Case numbers B52805 & 8091286 with dial numbers 1054-1y near the 6.
I have search the net but am only confused. Any help you can give about my new old watch would be fantastic. Many thanks.
Regards wine4t
Hi wine4t, thanks for visiting my blog and for your kind comment. Although I don’t own one, I do know the watch you have. It is an export model which is why it has the more unusual model / case number of B52805 rather than the more typical type of case back markings (i.e . model number like 12-1234 and case number like 4-123456). It’s also marked ‘waterproof’ and ‘shockproof’, rather than ‘parawater’ and ‘parashock’, which also indicate an export model. Here’s a pic from the internet of another example, which had the same dial code as yours, but is marked ‘parashock’. Is yours the same/similar?:
Since the case is marked ‘proof’ rather than ‘resistant’ then it is older than the early 1970s – the first three digits of the serial number (8091286) give us a production date of September 1968. I sourced a replacement crystal for a guy in Hawaii who owns the one in the pic, and he told me that the movement in it is a 5430, which is correct for a date only movement with a swinging weight rotor from the mid to late 1960s. They run at 18000 beats per hour, and are nice movements.
Stephen
Many thanks Stephen, that certainly is the watch that I have. I really appreciate your help. It seems keep good time but stops overnight when I take it off. How long would you expect it to run without movement?
Mark (wine4t)
Hi Mark, you’re welcome 🙂 When a watch is otherwise running ok I understand that a reduced power reserve can simply indicate the need for a service. When new your watch would have a typical power reserve of about 40 hours, and a vintage watch in good condition can still achieve that or close to it, especially if serviced correctly.
Stephen
Hi Stephen,
firstly I would like to congratulate you on an excellent webpage. Very well produced and good easy to follow info. Using some of the info you have given i have attempted to learn ore about a watch I recently bought for £15. I bought it because i loved the unusual look of it. It is a citizen 21 jewel eagle 7 bilingual date calnder. the face is golden coloured in sort of two toned diamond shapes (if that makes sense)
the back reads as follows:
Citizen Watch Co
Water resist
Stainless
4-039254 smk
90303460
Japan
so what i have hopefully learnt is that it dates from after 1970’s as it says resist rather that resistant?
the movement that eagle 7 used is the 8200 which was produced in the 1980’s onwards?
and finanlly the watch was made in the 9th year and 3rd month?
so March 1989?
I would be sooo graetfull if you could shed any light..
thanks
chris
Hi Chris, thanks for visiting my blog and for your kind comments. I’m glad it has been useful for you – you have come to the correct conclusions about your watch 🙂 The use of waterproof, or ‘parawater’, was phased out by about 1973 (waterproof had to be dropped because legally it implies that a watch would be waterproof no matter how old it was, or what condition it was in). The 8200 movement was first produced around 1975, I believe it may in fact have been 1976, whilst the Eagle 7 range was introduced in the early 1980s. Although that range was produced into the 1990s, the type of serial number on yours is most likely from the 1980s, so March 1989 looks correct to me.
Stephen
Thanks for the reply Stephen, Much appreciated. I am quite suprised i calculated it correctly, it must be your tuiton!
Im new to Citizen, so wondering whether you can recommend any particularly good movements i can invest in?
thanks again
chris
You’re welcome 🙂 Good to hear that the info here helps to get the right answers! As to movements, to some extent it depends on what you want to spend, but for good movements at a reasonable price I would suggest the 52 and 72 ‘families’ as found in the Crystal Seven, Seven Star and V2 models. These are from the mid 1960s to early 1970s and were good quality movements. If you have a bigger budget, then the Jet auto-daters are nice, and the high beat ‘Leopards’ are also very good quality pieces. I’m always happy to have a look before you bid if you spot one you are interested in.
Stephen
I certainly will, always good to have an expert opinion!! thank you so much for all you advise, I learnt alot.
chris
You’re welcome Chris
Stephen
Hi there. i have a watch that i am trying to appraise shall i say and want to know if its worth selling or keeping. this is what the info i have about the watch.
Front:
-ERMANO
-17 Jewels Incabloc
-Swiss Made
-gold plated watch
Back:
-stainless steel back
-incabloc
-swiss made
-Engraved with a date from 1980’s
-19001 (number)
Hi Raini, thank you for visiting my blog, but I’m afraid I can’t help since my area is vintage Japanese Citizen watches. Good luck in finding the information you are looking for,
Stephen
Hi Stephen my name is Marianne and I’m looking to find a price on a particular watch my father left me. It’s a noblia star sapphire from what I gather was made by citizen. I don’t really know much else about it only that he treasured it dearly and never told me how he acquired it nor would he ever spend over 50 bucks on a watch for himself. Anything will help at this point. Thank you
Hi Marianne, thanks for visiting my blog. I’m afraid I can’t tell you a huge amount about your watch since the it is a quartz model from a later period than the mechanical models with which I am more familiar. I can tell you that Citizen launched the Noblia in 1988, and at the time it was an expensive model. I think the Sapphire versions came later, in the early 1990s. I would think they had high grade anti-reflective mineral glass crystals given the ‘Sapphire’ name. Again I understand they were expensive models at the time – I have seen one reference to a Noblia Sapphire costing nearly $US500 in 1993. However, quartz models are not heavily collected, so high original prices rarely translate into high prices now. I would suggest that you Google ‘Citizen Noblia Sapphire’ and search eBay in the same way to see whether there are examples and what prices they might fetch (searching completed listings in eBay should come up with something).
Stephen
Stephen,
A few days ago I dug out an old citizen watch that I’ve had lying around in the back of a drawer for what seems like forever. I haven’t handled it for nigh on 20 years, but it started up first time and (admittedly it’s only been 2 days, but it) has kept good time since then. My guess is it’s from the early/mid 80s, but it would be great to get your input on when it was made, roughly how many were made, value now etc…. It’s a black faced automatic with the day and date – The case markings are:
4-039181 SMT
40979588
GN-4-S
thanks a million
Lain
Hi Lain, thanks for visiting my blog 🙂 You are right about the age of your watch. It is one of the ‘Eagle 7’ range which were first produced in the early 1980s. The movement inside is the 8200 automatic, which Citizen launched around 1975 – I think it was 1976 to be more exact. This movement has been produced pretty well ever since – it became Citizen’s standard automatic mechanical alternative in the tide of quartz watches. I’m afraid that many, many thousands of Eagle 7’s would have been produced, and as a result they are commonly seen fro sale on eBay, so values are not high. If you Google the case number – 4-039181 – you should find examples and get some idea of prices they go for. Very pleased to hear that it fired up immediately and is keeping time, although it doesn’t surprise me – these are good movements, reasonably accurate out of the box and reliable. ‘GN-4-S’ is the case type, useful for watch makers when they do a service. It relates to the water resistant screw-on case back and the way the glass is fitted, also to resist water.
The first three digits of the serial number (40979588) give a production date of September 1984.
Stephen
Hello, I have a Noblia Sapphire rectangular black men’s watch I’ve had since the 80’s with the #’s 4621-E63140 Y 9120541. When was it made? Hoping to find a new leather band for it too. Thank you for any assistance you can give.
Hi Steve, thanks for visiting my blog – I’m not so familiar with the quartz models after 1980, but I recently had another visitor ask me about a Noblia Sapphire, and I gave this reply:
Citizen launched the Noblia in 1988, and at the time it was an expensive model. I think the Sapphire versions came later, in the early 1990s. I would think they had high grade anti-reflective mineral glass crystals given the ‘Sapphire’ name. Again I understand they were expensive models at the time – I have seen one reference to a Noblia Sapphire costing nearly $US500 in 1993.
The serial number on yours (from first three digits) gives a production date of either December 1989 or 1999. If you remember buying it in the 1980s, then it will be 1989 🙂
Stephen
I did see that blog thank you! The date sounds right also. Thank you for you’re very helpful website. You are very much appreciated!
You’re welcome Steve, and thank you for your kind comments,
Stephen
I know this is a long shot since I have read your entire blog and know that you have very little dealings with quartz watches however when my grandmother passed in2005 I inherited a citizen my grandfather had given her. I really would just like to know what battery goes in the watch. Can I send you a picture of the case back. Any info would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
Hi Melody, thanks for visiting my blog. I’m emailing you so you can send a pic – I’ll do my best to see if I can identify the battery type.
Stephen
Hi!
I was down in my basement ant looked in some old boxes with a lot of old stuff inside. I found a citizen watch and i think its old..?? The numbers on the front are: Japan Mov´t 5500-r45210-y and on the back cover: 5500-R10044 RC citizen watch co. st steel ssg water resist 100 GN-4W-S The number stamped on back is 670677. How old can it be and is it worth something?
Best regards – Anders H – Sweden
Hi Anders, thanks for visiting my blog. I’m afraid I don’t know the quartz models like the earlier mechanical movements. I saw an eBay sale of a similar watch with the 5500 movement and the seller described it as 1984 to 1999. Unfortunately I don’t know whether yours is from 1986 (from the first digit in the serial number), or 1996. Since many thousands of models have been made, the value ofused quartz watches is not high – only the very early and/or high grade ones are of interest to collectors. Here’s a technical manual for the movement: http://www.thewatchsite.com/files/Citizen%20Technical%20Manuals/5500.pdf
Stephen
Hi!
Thank you for the information!. I think this is a very nice watch. I think i will change the battery and use the watch myself. Im kind of a “nerd” o watches so this wil be perfect. 🙂 Thanx again and i like your blog. This is all we nerds need. LOL. 🙂 Take care and live well.
– Anders
You’re welcome Anders, and thank you for your comments, they are much appreciated.
(what would we do without nerds?? 🙂 )
Stephen
Hi there
I have a Promaster automatic with the serial no 266091 assembled in China on the back case.
It has a black face, day date and Promaster emblem on the back and winder post. Any idea of the date please?
Hi Neil, thanks for visiting my blog. I’m not too familiar with more modern models I’m afraid but I know that Citizen established its Chinese plant in August 1994, which suggests that a watch marked ‘assembled in China’ would be no earlier than that. From your serial number, that would give a production date of June 2002 (from the ’26’ in the number).
Stephen
Hi Stephen. Thanks for your help. Great Blog.
You’re welcome Neil – thank you for your kind comment.
Hi there!
I’m trying to find the model number of this watch…
http://www.watcharama.com/ct026.htm
Any help is much appreciated!
Regards,
Ronny
Hi Ronny, thanks for visiting my blog and apologies for a late reply. The watch you ask about is more recent than the models I am familiar with – this type with the ‘skeletonised’ balance and exhibition back use the 8228 movement and were made in the 1990s I think. The model number will begin with ‘8228’ and is printed around the movement inside the glass back. This one is unusual since the winder is at 1 o’clock to place the balance neatly at 6 o’clock. I can only find one other example on the web at the moment, but this has no pic of the back, or model number: http://www.modakulvar.com/e/230497/citizen-automatic-skeleton.html
Googling ‘Citizen 8228 or 8228A’ or ‘Vintage Citizen 8228’ should bring up what is around. I’m sorry I can’t be of any more help,
Stephen
Hi, I buy this watch to my brother , about 15 years ago he Works at that time in a Toyota Dealer and get this whatch, Would you please tell me about the history, in the back have Yokohama tires logo, thanks.
CITIZEN
WATCH CO
BASE METAL TOP
WATER RESIST
BASE ST STEEL
0610-345070K
JAPAN
6070901
Hi Stephen
I have just found my Uncles old watch and am trying to Identify it
The markings on the back are
Citizen Watch Co
4-820487 TA
70300788
51-0823
Japan
BLG
Base Metal Top
SS Back
Water Resistant
Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.
Cheers,
Kieran
Hi Kieran, thanks for visiting my blog. Your Uncle’s watch was made in March 1977 (the model number – 51-0823 – is listed in my 1977 case parts catalog). The first three digits of the serial number (70300788) give us the production date. It is one of the early models using the 7200 automatic movement which I believe was first made in 1976. The case number – 4-820487 – indicate the movement used, and ‘BLG’ means it has a black case with gold bezel. Although the 8200 became Citizen’s ‘workhorse’ mechanical movement, these early models were relatively expensive. Some more info is here: https://sweep-hand.org/2013/01/27/the-8200-movement-citizens-standard-auto/
How is the condition of the watch – is the watch running ok?
Stephen
Hi there. I recently found a Citizen watch on the bottom of a lake, its still in full working order. I’ve had a quick google and cant seem to find it. Details on the case are as follows:
CITIZEN WATCH CO.
WATER RESIST
BASE METAL SSG
4713-S41878 HSW
665323
GN-4-S -> 4
Any help identifying this watch would be greatly appreciated. I am thoroughly enjoying wearing this watch and would like to know a little more about it.
It is a two tone watch with gold ring around the face and two row of gold running down the band. The face has roman numerals and CITIZEN elegance above the hands with WR 100 below the hands and Japan MovT-4713-26578
Hi Aidan, thanks for visiting my blog. The water resistant case obviously worked! I’m afraid that I am familiar with the older mechanical watches so I can’t be of much help. So far I can only find reference to a later movement that can be used as a replacement for the 4713. I’ll try to get more info for you, but the 4731 seems to be a rare one.
Stephen
I’ve had this watch for 30 years. I’ve tried to get information and some sort of appaisel. It is mid 50’s. Men’s ..Gp. stainless steel back. 14502. 17 jewel. Para shock. Any information and if possible an appaisel. Thank you for your help. Excellent condition.
Hi Sabrina, thanks for visiting my blog. Good to hear that you own one of the older models – at least we know that it will be no earlier than 1956 which is when Citizen introduced their ‘Parashock’ system. Unfortunately, the early model number – 14502 – is not that helpful in identifying the exact model. I should be able to help if I could see photos of the watch – do you have any? If so I can email you and you could send them to me (no need to post your email address, I get that from your comment).
Stephen
HELLO
I bought a citizen and i can not decipher how old it is or if is a genuine citizen and how rare,i wonder if you can help me with this.
The marks on the watch are 4-R16166 RC
091631
GN-4-S
Thank you
Sorry i forgot to tell you that this is A citizen Automatic 21 jewels.
Again Thank you very much.
Best regards
Hi Roger, thanks for visiting my blog. Your watch uses the 8200 automatic movement, which was Citizen’s workhorse mechanical calibre for over 30 years. It was first produced in 1976 and in the 1980s it was used in the ‘Eagle 7’ range. In good condition the 8200 is a reliable and accurate movement. The case number of yours – 4-R16166 – is a genuine number so, although I haven’t seen your watch, it certainly appears to be authentic. Because of the long production run of this movement it can be difficult to date them. The style of the case number on yours, and the six figure serial number (091631), rather than a 7 or 8 digits number, indicate to me that it isn’t an early 8200. The first two digits of the serial number are what are used to date the watch – year first, then month. So I would think that your watch is from September of 1990, since 1980 would be too early for the style of the numbers, and I reckon that 2000 would be too late.
As to rarity, I couldn’t find an example on the internet using the case number, so there aren’t many around. But, watches with the 8200 movement are commonly available for sale, so I’m afraid they are not of great value.
Stephen
Hey Stephen,
Hope all is well.
First of all, I would like to thank you to share your wealth of information to all of us and helping us conneting back to the history.
I am fond of collecting and using old item and just hence bouth few so called oldies and one of it is one below.
Citizen: Newmaster 22 writtten on left hand side of dial.
Model: 63-1019
Serial number: 9087000
I have some pics to post but couldnt find how to attach, but after going through you blog in detail about this watch, it seem fake since it doesn’t have date in dial.
However let me know what you think.
Again thank for taking your time and sharing your knowledge with all.
Cheers,
Hi there. I have two watches. Both look antique. The first one is a gold ladies citizen quartz oval shapped face. Numbers reading 4-832639 s 0091345 49-1489. The second is a gold girard Perregaux rectangle face numbers reading 9119 af gold filled g 20Microns.
Hi Amie, thanks for visiting my blog, and apologies for a slightly late response. I’m afraid I can’t help at all on the Girard Perreguax watch since Citizens are my thing. And unfortunately my main interest is in the mechanical Citizens rather than quartz, so I can’t help much with your quartz model either. The case number on yours (4-832639) suggests that it has a 8300 movement inside, and I think the 8xxx quartz movements were early in the history of quartz. So I would think, from the first three digits in the serial number (0091345) that it is from September 1980. It can’t be 1970 since that is before citizen made their quartz watches, and I reckon 1990 would be too late.
Stephen
Hi can you tell me about a oval shaped citizen watch numbers on the back are 3019241 thank you
Hi Juanita, thanks for visiting my blog. I’ll try to help, but I will need more information about your watch. Can you please tell me what is on the dial, and what other markings are on the case back,
thanks,
Stephen
Hi,
I have an old Citizen watch from my father.
The front reads:
CITIZEN
AUTOMATIC
17 JEWELS
JAPAN 6-600701-Y
The back:
PARAWATER
C.G.P
4-600266 Y
10430279
62-8701
I am keen to know details about this watch and is thinking of getting it restored. I would be very grateful if you can advise. You have provided valuable information to so many people. What an excellent site!
Thanks, Steven
Hi Steven, thanks for visiting my blog and for your kind comments. I haven’t any reference pics for your particular watch, but from the info you have provided, I believe your watch is a date only automatic from April 1971. The dial code and case number (4-600266) indicate that the movement inside is the 6000 (see page 10 of the Movement Table), first produced in 1971 with either 17 or 21 jewels. The model number (62-8701) also suggests the 6000/6001 movement since the ’62’ prefix was used for watches with that movement, for example the 62-6198 150m diver. ‘Parawater’ was Citizen’s term for waterproof, and they phased the use of this out between about 1970 and 1972/3. ‘CGP’ is Citizen Gold Plate, which is self-explanatory of course 🙂 The first three digits of the serial number (10430279) give us the production date. The 6000’s (and the more common 6500/1 with day and date) were not produced for long, since by the mid-1970s quartz technology was taking off and Citizen drastically reduced production of mechanical watches to just a few types. The movement runs at 21,600 beats per hour, a little faster than the base 18,000 bph, but not into the high beat range which requires greater servicing to minimise wear and maintain accuracy.
These 6000 models (other than the 150m diver) do not have any great value these days, although they are a quality watch and will run reliably and accurately in good condition. I would think the issue for you is more that it was your father’s watch rather than monetary value. If I were in your position I would certainly want to keep it in the best condition possible 🙂
Stephen
Hi Stephen,
Great blog! Can you please help me with dating my Mums watch?
The watch only has the word “CITIZEN” on the front, It looks relatively old so am unsure if it is a genuine knock-off and if it is worth restoring.
The details on the back:
CITIZEN
WATCH CO
BASE METAL TOP
ST. STEEL BACK
4-167422 SMW
9126233
75-0026
GP
Thanks,
Tere
Hi Tere, thanks for visiting my blog. From the case number (4-167422) I can confirm it is a genuine model, and the case number indicates that it has a 2300 movement inside. This is a small hand winding movement movement suitable for a woman’s watch. I have found a reference to these movements being made from 1966 or thereabouts so, from the first three digits in the serial number (9126233) it seems that it was made in December 1969. Does this fit with your Mum’s recollection of the watch’s history?
Stephen
Hi Stephen,
Thank you so much for confirming the date of manufacture (and especially for the fast response). The watch was given to my Mum from a close friend who has now passed away (hence the lack of history). Would you recommend getting it insured? and if so how much would you guestimate?
Tere
You’re welcome Tere – I’m afraid that the watch has no great monetary value, so I don’t think it’s necessary to insure it separately, providing you have general cover.
Stephen
Hi, thanks for visiting my blog. You’re English is fine, far better than my Polish! 🙂 Thank you for the information from your watch and the link to the photo. The ‘Newmaster’ name was used at different times on watches with several different movements, but the case number on yours – 4-180615 – tells us that it has the 1810 movement inside, this is the date version of the Homer movement first produced in 1962. The movement is a reliable one and was produced for quite a long time. The first three figures in the serial number (20303054) tell us that it was made in March of either 1972 or 1983. The model (63-1019) is listed in the 1977 case parts manual, so it’s possible it could still have been in production in the early 1980s. This is a hand winding watch of course, running at the standard 18,000 beats per hour. The Homer family of movements are of good quality even though they were not expensive models. One version, with ‘second setting’ was issued to officials of Japan’s national railways which shows it was a reliable watch capable of good accuracy.
Hope this helps,
Stephen
I have my grands watch passed down to me i wana find out when this watch came out….its got one code on it and it does not have a battery…..the code is sk930223
Hi Vincent, thanks for visiting my blog. I’m afraid I’ll need more information to help identify the watch. Can you please tell me what markings are on the dial, and are there any other markings on the case back? Do you know if it is a hand winding watch or an automatic (self-winding)?
Stephen
Hi Stephen
I have recently inherited my fathers vintage citizen watch
Its serial number is 6110-844971 KT
Gold Plated with a black leather strap.
I cant seem to find to much about this particular watch on-line.
Could you tell me anything about it, age, perhaps value out of curiosity
I have found a couple of spanish sites which lead me to believe it could be rather valuable / rare?
Hi Tony, thanks for visiting my blog. I’m not so familiar with the quartz models I’m afraid, but I would think your watch is from the mid 1980s. I have found other models in the ‘Exceed’ and ‘Noblia’ lies from 1987 with the same dial layout, with the date window at six o’clock. The hands on yours are unusual and rather nice, if they are like these:
The number you’ve given is the model number, which indicates that the movement is a 6110 quartz, the date only version. Here’s a link to the tech manual:
Click to access 6111.pdf
Is there a serial number on the case back? If so we can get a more accurate production date.
Stephen
Hi Stephen
I have a 21 jewel Citizen automatic with serial n.o as 4-663357 k 5 0 1 0 1 0 3 2 GN-4-S JAPAN .Could you please find the year of manufacture or any descriptive information about this model
Hi Sundeep, thanks for visiting my blog. From the case number (4-663357) it looks like you have a Cosmostar V2, which is a woman’s watch with the 6900 movement. This is an interesting movement, with 21 jewels, running at 28,800 beats per hour, so it is a high beat watch. This movement was first made around 1970, so yours is from January 1975 (from first three digits of the the serial number – 50101032). Here’s a post about one of these: https://sweep-hand.org/2011/05/08/a-little-story-about-reliability-accuracy/
Stephen
Thank you Stephen!!
You’re welcome 🙂
Hello! I just got a vintage Citizen watch but can’t find any info about it.Would love your help. on the back it says:
citizen watch co.
base metal yp
2250- 227077 k
80102326
39-5561
japan –> 9
many thanks!!
Hi Brian, thanks for visiting my blog. As far as I know you have a ladies watch with a 2250 movement. Unfortunately I’m not so familiar with quartz models, especially ladies’ ones, so I can’t give much information. 2250-227077 is the case number, 39-5561 is the model number. The first three digits of the serial number – 80102326 – suggest its from January 1988. ‘-> 9’ gives the position where the back can be prised off, i.e. the nine 0’clock position.
Stephen
That’s awesome! Many thanks Stephen!
You’re welcome 🙂
Hi, I’m Frida and today i visited my mom’s place. and she had found a gem of mine that i thought was lost over a decade ago :
I inherited a Citizen quartz watch from my Grandfather. and I’m curious to what is its name and when it was produced, i heard it was one of the earlier Quartz clocks that came to Norway so i would guess 197~something (but i have no idea)
the front of it
and the back with serial
Thanks,
Frida 🙂
Hi Frida, thank you for visiting my blog. It’s good to hear you found the watch after it was thought to be lost 🙂 What you have is a Citizen ‘Crystron’ quartz watch, produced quite early in the quartz ‘revolution’ that began in the mid-1970s. At that time, when the technology was new, these watches were quite expensive. The case back marks give a model number of 43-2237, a case number of 4-068351 and a serial number of 00900638. The dial code (at the bottom of the dial) looks to start with 7310, which is the date only version of the 7300 movement, introduced around 1979. The first three digits of the serial number give us the date of production, so yours was made in September 1980 (‘009’). It can’t be 1970 since quartz watches weren’t in production, and the 73 movements had been superseded by later ones in 1990. That date also seems to fit with your guess of 197-something 🙂
For information here’s a link to the relevant technical guide: http://www.thewatchsite.com/files/Citizen%20Technical%20Manuals/7310.pdf
Stephen
Ooh super! Thank you Stephen! 😀
well spotted, the dial code is P-7312-16168965-SM
I’m on my way to see how much it would cost to restore it, i absolutely love the cursive numbers and its fairly thin footprint =)
Thanks again!
Frida 🙂
You’re welcome Frida, I hope you can get it up and running 🙂
Hello, can you tell me, what piece of watches I´ve found in old stuff?
Water Resist
Base Metal SSPD
4110-571169 K
GN-4W-S
what about its price?
Thank you!
Hi, thank you for visiting my blog. Your watch is a quartz model afaik and Is unlikely to have much value.
Stephen.
hi Stephen, I hv got a old citizen.. nd I want to knw the exact age and speciality of the watch..
watch details;
4-038819 SMG
60804600
71-4976
GN-4-S
Japan
thanks in advance 🙂
Hi Sanjeev, thanks for visiting my blog. Is the dial of your watch marked wits an Eagle motif?
Stephen
Hi Stephen,
I recently acquired this watch too (with the eagle on the dial; Citizen automatic 21 jewels). I was surprised how small it is. Can you give me some details about it? Is it gents or ladies watch?
Hi – can you please tell me what is stamped on the case back, that will help identify it properly. I think I have seen women’s watches with the Eagle 7 markings.
Stephen
Hi Stephen,
thank you for your reply. There is an eagle with 7 in his legs on the front side and the back side tells this:
4-038819 SMG
61202275
71-4976
GN-4-S
Thanks for any info.
Kind regards
Jan
Hi Jan – thanks for the information. I reckon your Eagle 7 is from December 1986 and although a small watch does use the 8200 automatic movement. I confirmed this by checking what winding stem it uses and comparing that to other 8200 models, and it is the same one. The numbers on the back are the case number (4-038819), the model number (71-4976), and the serial number (61202275). The first three figures give the production date and although the 8200 was used for over 30 years, the eight figure serial number is typical of earlier models. GN-4-S is the case type code, indicating a water resistant case and crystal with a screw down back.
More info on the movement here: https://sweep-hand.org/2013/01/27/the-8200-movement-citizens-standard-auto/
Stephen
Hi Stephen,
thank you for your explanation of the markings of my CITIZEN 7, but I still wonder if it is gents or ladies watch because it is relatively small (33mm across without the crown, 37mm from lug to lug).
4-038819 SMG
61202275
71-4976
GN-4-S
How can one determine the gender?
Thank you for your reply. Have a nice Sunday!
Jan
Hi Jan – you’re welcome. Without seeing how Citizen listed this model in its catalogs back in the day, we can only guess whether it was marketed as a men’s or a women’s watch. The other possibility is that it was targeted at youngsters.
Stephen
Hi. I inherited a citizen 17 cosmo star date from my grandma. The back writings are:
CITIZEN
4-610148 T
PARAWATER
STAINLESS STEEL
00701945
64-8531
I’d like to know when was this manufactured and if it is of any great value today. I do not intend on selling the watch but it’s nice to know its worth. Thanks.
-angelica
Hi Angelica thanks for visiting my blog. Your Cosmostar is from July 1970. These are very nice high beat watches, but they have no great monetary value these days I’m afraid.
Stephen
Hey I was wondering if you could help me find this old watch Im very eager to find the model or year of this Citizen watch as it had belonged to my deceased grandfather.
On the bank it states
CITIZEN
WATER RESIST
BASE YP
8830-082893 NY (this lime might not be to accurate because it is a bit blurry)
11011540318
30-2023
GM-3-7
JAPAN
To keep in note this is a very simple watch as it has roman numerals on the dial for 12,3,6,9
On the dial it says quartz. If you can help me I would greatly appreciate it!
Hi Sebas, thanks for visiting my blog, and sorry for my slow reply. I’m not so familiar with the quartz models, but from the first part of the model number (8830) it looks like yours uses the 8800 quartz movement, which was first made around 1979. So from the first three figures in the serial number (110) it looks like yours was made in October 1981.
Stephen
Hi,
Could you please help me to know the age of Citizen Automatic, 21 Jewels
Back case has below details:
Citizen Watch Co.
Water Resist
Base Metal SSPD
4-663993 TA
6041508
GN-4W-U
Japan
Hi Mehzabin, thank you for visiting my blog. From the case number (4-663993) you have a women’s Cosmostar watch from the 1970s. The case code (SSPD) indicates a stainless steel case with a palladium coated bezel. The first three figures in the serial number (6041508) give a production date of April 1976.
Stephen
I have what appears to be a women’s ERMANO LTD 12 27 PLAQUE G40G 17 JEWEL INCABLOC ANTIMAG AUTOMATIC. VINTAGE WATCH, NOT EVEN GOOGLE HAS SEEN ONE NOR EBAY NOTHIN CAN YOU PLZ HELP ME OUT WITH THE WORTH OF THIS TIME PIECE
Hi Stacy – thanks for visiting my blog, but my collection is vintage Japanese watches by Citizen. From the little to be found on the Ermano brand it looks to Swiss, probably made for the Italian market. Unless the case is solid gold, I wouldn’t think it has any great value.
Stephen
Hi,
I have a very old wrist watch of citizen quartz. I don’t know its worth. I am providing you the details . Please provide me the worth, i want to sell it.
CITIZEN Base Metal yp 2030-069285 smw 3025457 31-4625
Hi Vipin, thanks for visiting my blog. I don’t do valuations, that is not the point of the blog. It’s unlikely that a gold plated quartz watch has any great value. If you search eBay for ‘completed listings’ for Citizen 2030 watches you may find something to compare yours with,
Stephen
Hello, I have a rectangular hand winding watch given from my dad and I’d like to know the movement and date and if it’s a woman’s model perhaps if you could please help me figure it out?
The back details are:
Base metal top
4 151968 sp
86 0093
8070464
Hi Joss, thanks for visiting my blog. Your watch could be a woman’s model – what size is the case? The smaller the case the more likely it is to be for a woman, and I’m pretty sure that the movement inside will be one of the 015 family since the case number (4-151968) and model number (86-0093) are typical of watches with this movement. This is a small hand winding movement which was used in women’s watches. It was first produced around 1975, so yours will be from July 1978 (from first three units of the serial number – 8070464).
Stephen
Have a Citizen watch Citizen Quartz. No on the reverse are 6100-R00405-RW and 30701136. Would like to know the year of make of this watch & its value. Thanks
Hi Philip, apologies for a later reply. Here’s a copy of a reply I gave to another visitor who asked about the same model as yours:-
I’m afraid I can’t help with your question very much since my knowledge is mainly about the older mechanical models Citizen made up to the late 1970s. Yours watch has the 6100 quartz movement and I did find an image of your model on the internet of your model (model number is 6100-R00405). I don’t know exactly when the 6100 models were produced, but I would think from the serial number (01203675) that it was probably made in December 1990. Unfortunately these watches don’t have much value these days. Here is a link to the technical manual for the 6100 movement – it tells you what battery to use if you are not sure: http://www.thewatchsite.com/files/Citizen%20Technical%20Manuals/6100.pdf
Your watch has a different serial number of course, which gives a production date of July 1993 or maybe 1983, but I can’t be sure about it.
Sorry I cannot be of more help, Stephen
Hello,
Appreciate if you could help me identify the age of a CITIZEN QUARTZ SEVEN.
Back case has the below details,
BASE METAL TOP
STAINLESS STEEL BACK
4 833597 Y
1103352
BW 4067
JAPAN
Back of the wrist band has the following details,
56300T
Thank you.
Hi, and thanks for visiting my blog. The quartz Seven was introduced in December 1980, and was Citizen’s first watch to use a lithium battery giving a battery life of 8 years, the longest in the world at the time. The serial number on yours gives a production date of 1981.
Stephen
Hello Stephan,
I’ve got a citizen women’s watch and I would like to know about its information. Could you please help me? Here is the details:
CITIZEN
WATCH CO
BASE METAL TOP
4 151755 FC
86 2703
7050015
Thanks a lot for help.
Tram
Hi Tram, thank you for visiting my blog. Your women’s watch uses one of the 015 hand winding movements, see here for some info:
4-151755 is the case number and the ’15’ part helps identify the movement inside. 86-2703 is the model number, which is not so obviously helpful, but I know from a 1977 parts catalog I have that the ’86’ models use the 015 movement, and in fact your model is listed. The first three digits of serial number – 7050015 – give us the production date. Since we know from the parts catalog that this is a watch from the mid 1970s we can date this one to May 1977.
Stephen
Hi there I’ve came across my dad’s old watch and would be grateful for any information you could provide on it,it’s a citizen quartz GN-4W-S 6101-915224 KT thank you very much.
Hi Gary, thank you for visiting my blog. I apologise for the late reply – I have been very busy with family stuff over the last few days. I’m afraid I can’t tell you very much about your watch since it is a fairly recent quartz model. The information you have provided tells us that it has a 6101 movement inside but unfortunately I don’t have any material that tells me when it was produced. ‘GN-4SW-S’ is the case type code, which indicates a water resistant design with a screw-on back. I’m sorry I cannot be of more help. Here is a link to the relevant technical manual for the 6101 movement: http://www.thewatchsite.com/files/Citizen%20Technical%20Manuals/6010.pdf
Stephen
I have one… Don’t know anything about it, it was my dad’s, he passed away and theses watch was in a safety box . The numbers on the back are 4-020642TA and other number is 10901821 and 63-4239. Please I want to know more about the watch. Thanks.
Hi Jocelyn, thanks for visiting my blog. Your dad’s watch is a hand winding model with what is known as the ‘Homer’ movement inside. This movement, designated ’02’ by Citizen, was first produced in 1962, and although not used in expensive models, it was Citizen’s workhorse hand winding movement used for many years. The case number (4-020642) references the movement, whilst model number 63-4239, although less useful, indicates by its style that the watch is from the late 1960s / early 1970s. We can pin the date down more precisely from the first three numbers in the serial number – 10901821 – so it was September 1971.
Stephen
I inherited from my father in law a Citizen Pocket Watch, 21 jewels, Para Shock Phynox. The case back has no engravings at all. Do you know how could I find more information on it? A local watch broker told me it is quite rare down here, even if not valuable. It is very simple, so I guess it was a kind of entry level product.
Obviously I would like to find when it was made, but also how much it originally cost, and even what do ‘Para Shock’ and ‘Phynox’ mean.
From your description it looks like you have a ‘Homer’ pocket watch. The Homer movement (designated 02 if it has no date) was first produced in 1960, and the ‘phynox’ mark suggests yours was made early in the production run. At that time ‘phynox’ was a relatively new alloy used for the hairspring to give it great reliability and longevity, so it was a feature worth noting on the dial. I have a later one, with no ‘phynox’ mark:
The Homer movement was Citizen’s workhorse hand winder for many years and proved to be reliable and capable of decent accuracy. In 1971 one of these would retail at ¥5,400 compared to ¥18,000 for a Cosmotron (electronic) pocket watch.
The serial number of a watch can be used to date a watch – is there anything on the case back (it could be stamped inside the back)?
Stephen
I’ve just bought an old Citizen watch – just because I like old watches and I decided this one looked good – and I hope you can give me some details. I know it’s probably not worth much, but that doesn’t matter to me. All I know is it apparently has an 8200A movement, and it has an eagle and letter C on the face. I also found these details on the photos of the watch – which I bought from a seller in Mumbai.
CITIZEN WATER RESIST
4-038037 SMG
20501696
71-3317
6H-4-S
That last line isn’t too clear on the pictures.
Any information you can give me would be greatly appreciated. I’m hoping to enjoy my purchase. I just don’t like modern watches!
Hi Brian – what you have, as you’ve already identified, is an ‘Eagle 7’ model with the 8200 movement. This movement was introduced around 1976 and was used by Citizen as their workhorse automatic for many years. Your description of the marks on the back are all correct, but the ‘6H’ part will actually be ‘GN’. This is the case type code and signifies a water resistant case / crystal design. Having just a ‘C’ on the dial suggests this might be a re-dial, or a re-paint, since the full ‘Citizen’ logo would normally be used. I note you bought it from a seller in India, and re-paints from there are very common, presumably to rescue a badly faded / stained original dial. More info here on the 8200 movement: https://sweep-hand.org/2013/01/27/the-8200-movement-citizens-standard-auto/
And more here on one of the first models with this movement: https://sweep-hand.org/2014/10/12/the-weeks-featured-watch-62-the-adorex-8200/
The Eagle 7’s were launched in the 1980s, so yours is probably from May 1982, but it could be 1992 since they were made over a lengthy period.
Stephen
Thanks so much for your reply. I think I may have caught the vintage watch bug, and I’ve enjoyed looking through your articles and the questions and answers here. My first purchase was an HMT Sona from India, and now this Citizen. The seller claims the dial and glass is original – but I’ve been to India and things are rarely as they seem. The letter C I mentioned is on the chest of the Eagle logo and is in red. The full Citizen name is in the top half of the dial where you’d expect it to be. I’ve been notified it has been dispatched today, so it should be with me in a couple of weeks.
Hi Brian – ah, sorry I misunderstood. Hope it is all original 🙂
Stephen
Hello! Can anyone here help me to determine the age of a CITIZEN watchband? I know that’s an odd question but I found a watchband at the site of an old airplane crash and I would like to know if it belonged to someone on the plane. I would post a picture of it but I cant see how to do that. Thank you!
Hi Greg – yours is an unusual context for a question! I’m afraid visitors can’t post pics directly. You can link to a photo on something like Photobucket, or I can email you and you can send to me so I can upload it. Let me know if you want me to do that (no need to post your email address since I see that when a comment is made),
Stephen
Hi Stephen, thank you very much for the offer. Yes please email me and Ill send you a picture. I appreciate the help!
email sent 🙂
Hi Greg, thanks for the pic:
This style of bracelet was used around 1970 and through the early 1970s – I don’t know if it was used later than that. Here is an example form Citizen’s 1971 catalog:
Hope this helps,
Stephen
Thank you Stephen, The picture you show doesnt show the band tapering larger at the end. I found a picture of one exactly like this one on Ebay. If you dont mind I would like to email it to you. The plane crash was in 1991. I just wanted to make sure it wasn’t made after 1991. Thank you very much for the help!
Hi Greg – I’ve replied to your email. The digital/analogue watch you saw on eBay is from 1981 – this type of watch was launched in May 1980.
Stephen
Hello, I have a citizen noblia moon phase watcg . Gold plated. Can you tell me when it was made? The serial number is4310 432398TA then 804059. Japan4310 430350 on face. Only says Nobli Citizen. Theres no Noblia logo. Thanks patrick.
Hi Patrick, thanks for visiting my blog. I believe the Noblia line was from the 1980s, so most likely yours is from April 1988.
Stephen
So, how come my noblia watch doesn’t have the Noblia N logo? All it has Citizen Noblia? Great info, now can you tell me how much they are going for, money wise? Thank you …………Patrick.
Hi Patrick – I am most familiar with older mechanical watches, not more recent quartz models, so the quick answer is that I don’t know why your watch hasn’t got the N logo. However, I found an example of your watch on the web, and that also doesn’t have the N so maybe it is correct for that model. I avoid offering valuations, but bear in mind that quartz watches usually don’t have any great value, unless they are very high end (I’m afraid the Noblia line doesn’t fit that description). Best way to get an idea of values is to search the internet, eBay especially including completed listings, for Noblia watches. You can also search for your particular model by adding the number – 4310-432398
Stephen
Thank you very much! Now can you tell me about Steelco watches? I have a Steelco watch, 25 jewels automatic, no markings on back. I haven’t opened it up.
You’re welcome 🙂 My knowledge is about Citizen’s vintage watches, so I’m afraid I can’t help with Steelco watches, which were Swiss I believe.
Stephen
That is very true, I learned a lot about my noblia watch, thanks to you. Thank you again .
Wondering what my citizen quarts watch is worth ? I’m sure it’s over 45 years old could u please help me . Numbers on back are 6021714 . Thanks. ….
Hi James, thanks for visiting my blog. I do try to avoid giving an opinion on value, other than very general comments. If you know the model and case numbers of your watch you can search the internet, particularly completed listings on eBay to get an idea of value.
Stephen
hi sweephand first time on your very good blog ,is it possible to date my late fathers citizen quartz on the back from the top is
citizen watch co. water resist stainless steel
4-038908k
1 1 0 0 2 3 4 4
gn-4-s japan i have tried to date it myself but cant any serial numbers like it
Hi, thank you for visiting my blog and for your kind comments. Are you sure your watch is a quartz model? As far as I know the case number – 4-038908 – is for an ‘Eagle 7’ automatic watch, using the 8200 movement. This movement was used for many years so they can be hard to date. The serial number on yours suggests it is from October 1981.
Stephen
hello what about this watches pleas? when they were a made…thank you very much:
citizen watch co.
water resist
BASE METAL YP
8200-R02092 RC
GN-4W-S
Hi Marek – I can’t give an exact year since there is no serial number. It is an ‘Eagle 7’ model – the model number suggests it is one of the later ones maybe from the 1990s
Stephen
thanks a lot Stephen maybe this number 4073052 is the serial number?..thank you!
and what is approximate price pleas I buy it for 17 bucks and they are in very good condition,I like it 🙂
Hi Marek – I think it is most likely from 1994. Although these models are common on eBay, you didn’t exactly pay over the odds 🙂
Stephen
I hae a citizen watch serial n//o 7110431 gn -4-5japan-12 and its a quartz model black face and
gold numerals
Hi Leslie, thanks for visiting my blog. I’m afraid I don’t know too much about the more recent quartz models since many hundreds have been made over the years. Are there other markings on the back? If so could you post them here – without them the movement can’t be identified.
Stephen
Good afternoon. My grandfather recently passed away and in his old jewelry box he had an old citizen watch in there. I inherited it. Just wondering if you way be able to tell me anything about it. The numbers on the back are.
Base metal ssg
6101-T15588KT
40200174
GN-4W-S
I was just curious of the age and or any other info you may be able to give me.
Hi Bryan, thanks for visiting my blog. I’m afraid I don’t know the quartz movements so well, and many different models have been made over the years. I think the 6100 / 6101 was made in the 1980s, so it looks like yours is from February 1984. Here’s a link to the relevant rtechnicla manual which gives lots of info:
Click to access 6100.pdf
Stephen
hi Stephen, please can you tell me about the age and value of my watch, the numbers on the back case are:
CITIZEN WATCH CO.
WATER RESIST
STAINLESS
6100-G00198 TA
9 0 4 2 6 1
GN-4-S
JAPAN -> 6
thank you
it is a square shaped, citizen quartz watch
Thanks for visiting my blog. I don’t know Citizen’s quartz models so well I’m afraid – I think the 6100 movement was made in the 1980s, so it looks like yours is from April 1989. I avoid doing valuations, but generally speaking quartz models don’t have a great deal of value. For info here is a link to the relevant technical manual: http://www.thewatchsite.com/files/Citizen%20Technical%20Manuals/6100.pdf
Stephen
Hola tengo uncitizen vintage 21 jewels
En la parte de atrás dice.lo siguiente:
4-038843 SMT
00453323
GN-4-S
Por dentro en la máquina dice:
8200A
Quisiera saber esto que signifi
Gracias!! Cuidate
Hola Diego – gracias por visitar mi blog 🙂 Usted tiene reloj automático Ciudadano ‘Eagle 7 ‘ , con el movimiento de 8200 . ‘ 4-038843 SMT ‘ es el número de caso y la fábrica de identificador. ‘ GN- 4 – S ‘ es el código del tipo de caso, lo que significa que es un diseño resistente al agua , con un tornillo en la tapa trasera . ‘ 00453323 ‘ es el número de serie , que creo que indica una fecha de producción de abril de 1990. El movimiento de 8200 fue producida por más de 30 años y se hicieron los modelos ‘Eagle 7’ en los años 1980 y 1990 .
[Hi Diego – thank you for visiting my blog 🙂 You have a Citizen ‘Eagle 7’ automatic watch, with the 8200 movement. ‘4-038843 SMT’ is the case number and factory identifier. ‘GN-4-S’ is the case type code, meaning it is a water resistant design, with a screw on case back. ‘00453323’ is the serial number, which I think indicates a production date of April 1990. The 8200 movement was produced for over 30 years, and the Eagle 7 models were made in the 1980s and 1990s.]
Stephen
hi,
I have a stainless steel black dial with a smaller dial with seconds hand.
Numbers on the back are –
CITIZEN WATCH CO
WATER RESIST
ST.STEEL
1045-2003938HST
S01176
GN-0S -> 5
Thanks
Avinash
Hi Avinash, thanks for visiting my blog. Your watch uses the 1045 quartz movement, so it is a fairly recent model. I’m not familiar with these I’m afraid – does the serial number start with ‘5’ rather than ‘S’? If so this would give a production year of either 1995 or 2005.
Stephen
Hi
I hace a citizen watch that I purchased around1994.
On the front says
21 jewels below a eagle with a red seven in the middle and below the 6: japan 8200 m03034 ka.
On the back 8200 075552 m
532418
Gn4ws
Japan.
It’s gold.
Thanks
Hi, thanks for visiting my blog – you have an ‘Eagle 7’ automatic, with the 8200 movement that was used for many years. The serial number gives a production date of March 1995, which fits with your recollection of when you bought it.
Stephen
hi , I’m from Brazil and I would like to congratulate the blog , it’s fantastic . I would also like to ask for help to identify one of my watches citizen . Follows the inscriptions engraved on it . Thanks for all the help
citizen
Recording the dial
p8200-924636SWS
Caseback recording
4-0380611SWG
20700780
71-3376 gn -4- s
Hi Lamara, thank you for visiting my blog, and for your kind comments 🙂 Thanks for posting all the information as well – especially the dial code since that confirms that the movement inside is the 8200 automatic. The 8200 was first produced in 1976, and became Citizen’s workhorse movement for many years. Because of this it can be hard to date watches with this movement, but there are some clues on yours which help. First, the model number – 71-3376 – is the earlier type, used in the 1970s and 1980s, so it is unlikely to be from the 1990s. The case number – 4-0380611 – is also typical of the earlier models. The 8 digit serial number – 20700780 – is also of the earlier type. And we can get the production date from the first three digits in this number – ‘207’. Since the movement was first made in the mid-1970s, this one cannot be from 1972. The other markings suggest it is an earlier model, so it is unlikely to be from 1992, so my view is that it is from July 1982. Does the dial have an eagle motif on the dial, with a ‘7’ at the centre? The 8200 was often used in these Eagle 7 models in the 1980s and 1990s.
Some more info on the movement is here: https://sweep-hand.org/2013/01/27/the-8200-movement-citizens-standard-auto/
And here is a link to instructions for the 8200, for your information: http://www.citizen.com.hk/upload/instruction_manual/8200__E.pdf
Stephen
Hi great blog, i read the whole thing but could not find my watch . 🙂 I have found a citizen watch with the numbers: Citizen Watch co. 4-161106 SMT, 7019470, 54-6011, Japan, CCP. It looks very damaged but it runs fine. Hope you can help me. Ciao robin.
Hi Robin, thanks for visiting my blog and for your kind comment. The model number (54-6011) and the case number (4-161106) aren’t much help in determining the movement in your watch, but I have it listed in my reference material and it is the 5321 movement (part of the 51 movement group) first produced around 1975. This is a small movement designed for women’s watches, with date complication. ‘CCP’ is the case material code, so it was chrome plated, a finish that can become badly worn. The serial number (7019470) gives a production date of January 1977. Here’s a link to more info: http://www.ranfft.de/cgi-bin/bidfun-db.cgi?10&ranfft&0&2uswk&Citizen_5321
Stephen
Wow, thank you for the information! Now i don’t have to open the watch, witch isnvery difficult.:).
I was puzzled by the movement, because it was already running when i bought it. The chrome is not worn, only the glas (or plastc) is damaged. I can clean it now and put on a different band. Do you have facebook? Come on my frie
ndslist, it is good to have a friend like you :).
You have to type in robin with the surname of my email.
Hi trying to find out about my watch, it’s gold looks more like a bracelet, sqaure clock, with a covert over it the opens up and closes to hide it to make it look like a bracelet . The watch reads citizens elegance movt-5421-n79329 the back reads base metal 5421-s68971
Hi Liza – thanks for visiting my blog. I’m afraid I can’t help a great deal with this watch. Since it is a quartz model, I’m not as familiar with it as I am with the older mechanical watches. 5421-s68971 is the model number, and this also tells us that the 5421 movement is inside. Base Metal means that it is a plated case. Here’s a link to the relevant technical manual: http://www.thewatchsite.com/files/Citizen%20Technical%20Manuals/5400.pdf
Stephen
haI I am useing a eco drive watch gifted by mu relative its number is E812 S054737
manufacture number is 870375 can you tell its detail pls
Hi Srinivas, thank you for visiting my blog. Apologies that I have not replied sooner, I have been away for a few days. I’m afraid I can’t help with your watch since it is a modern eco-drive watch. These are very good solar powered watches – I am sure if you search Google you should find information.
Stephen
Could you help me to recognise my watch. It is from 21 jewels series. It is written in its back: Citizen Watch Co, Water Resist, Stainless, 4-039190 SMK, 30101344, GN-4W-S. My father bought me this watch in 1994. I want to send some pictures but I do not know how to send them. I would like to know the specification, series dan if possibly its price now. Many thanks for your help 😁.
Hi Christina, thank you for visiting my blog. I’m sorry for my slow reply, I’ve been away for a few days. Your watch is an ‘Eagle 7’ automatic, using the 8200 movement with 21 jewels. This movement was first produced in 1976 and was used for over 30 years. It was Citizen’s ‘workhorse’ automatic, very reliable and with decent accuracy, and runs at 21,600 beats per hour. The first three numbers in the serial number – 30101344 – give a production date of January 1993, which fits with your father buying it in the following year. I’m afraid the Eagle 7 / 8200’s don’t have any great value, since many were made and they are not a ‘high end’ model.
Stephen
Dear Stephen,
Thank you so much for your reply. I am really appreciate your efford to explain about my watch 😀
chris
You’re welcome Chris 🙂
I brought a Citizen watch for $6.00 and would love to know more about it.
It reads:
Front- Japan MOVT- 5920-N39679-KA
CITIZEN WATCH CO.
base metal YP
5920-548465 MSB
602986
Hi Wanda, thanks for visiting my blog, and apologies for my slow reply – I have been away for a few days. I’m afraid I don’t know very much about quartz watches since I collect older mechanical models. Your watch has the 5920 movement in it, and it is a gold tone model (‘YP’ = yellow plate). The model number – 5920-548465 – helpfully includes the movement number. I’m nit sure when these were made, but the six figure serial number (602986) suggests February 1996 to me.
Stephen
Hi,
I just inherited a watch it’s an
Adec Quartz
On the front it says
Japan movt ba31-ad483
And on the back it says
Adec 6a31-a0114
Fa0-127
Base metal
Water ressistant
2050265
Just wondering if u have any information on it?
Thanks
Tara
Hi Tara, thanks for visiting my blog. I’m afraid I can’t help very much since yours is a quartz model from a later period than the mechanical watches I am most familiar with. I know that Adec was a sub-brand using Citizen’s movements, and the model number on yours tells us that it has the 6A31 quartz module inside. This was also used on another sub-brand, known as ‘Junction’. I don’t know when this movement was produced, but I would guess from the serial number that your watch was made in 1992.
Stephen
Just came across this blog, and was astonished by your knowledge on watches. I want to know if my watch is worth anything?
I brought in on a vacation, but didnt have much use of it, so want to sell it.
This is what the back says:
Citizen Watch Co.
Water Resistant
Base Metal
1032-S018625 HSB
4N0279
6N-0-S ➡ 10
Japan
Hi Aink – thanks for visiting my blog, but I’m afraid I can’t help you very much. Your watch is a quartz model and I am familiar with older mechanical watches. Used quartz watches do not have any great value, but if you search ebay for ‘Citizen 1032’ you may find some examples to give you an idea.
Stephen
Hello, I was recently given my husband’s grandmothers watch. Grandpa didn’t know when or where she got the watch. I’m not sure if it is a knock off? The back is as follows:
Citizen
Watch Co.
4-753097 K
00201137
GN-4W-S
48-0592
All stainless steel _ Water Resistant _ Japan is encircling the above information.
I am hoping you can tell me any information on it. I cannot find anything like it. Thanks for your blog! Great info!
Cherie
Hi Cherie, thanks for visiting my blog. From the case back information, I think your watch is an early quartz model, with the 7530 movement. These were introduced around 1979, used in women’s watches as Citizen established a wise range of quartz models. The movement is indicated by the case number – 4-753097, but the model number – 48-0592 – doesn’t help us very much. ‘GN-4W-S is the case type, meaning it is a water resistant type, with screw down back. The first part of the serial number – 00201137 – tells us it was made in February, 1980. It definitely doesn’t look like a ‘knock-off’ to me 🙂 Is the dial marked at all, for example with ‘CQ’?
Hope this helps,
Stephen
Hi Cherie – further to my first reply, here’s a link to the relevant technical manual for your watch: http://www.thewatchsite.com/files/Citizen%20Technical%20Manuals/7530.pdf
Stephen
Hi. I don’t have any idea about citizen watched. My I ask if somebody knows about my citizen watch here’s the information.
Citizen watch co.
water resist
BASE METAL YP.
4-947444 HST
6-8-2-6-6-4
GN-4W-S
I dont know if my watch was original or fake.
Hi Angela – the case number (4-947444) is a genuine one. Can you please tell me what is on the dial
Stephen
I was looking to put a battery in my quartz citizen watch and when i put in the details on the back it bought me to this web page, not sure why. the details are as follows
Citizen Watch Co
base metal YP
3220-326407 YO
2070762
Hi Shelley – you’ve probably ended up here because someone else has posted a comment about a 3220 quartz watch. Have a look at this technical manual, it gives the battery type: http://www.thewatchsite.com/files/Citizen%20Technical%20Manuals/3220.pdf.
If you find a battery conversion chart on the web you can see what is available from different battery makers.
Stephen
Thanks so much Stephen
You’re welcome Shelley 🙂
Hi! I have two watches that I’d like to know time frame and value of. One: citizen quartz model 3220-326113 K
11000510
Two: citizen Eco drive
B230-H17290 TA
Thanks in advance!!
Hi Cristina, thanks for visiting my blog, but I’m afraid I don’t know too much about quartz watches since this is about older ‘vintage’ watches the citizen made. Your 3220 model may be from 1991. I avoid giving opinions on value, it’s best to research eBay to see what similar watches are going for. Sorry I can’t be of more help.
Stephen
Hello. My father has this Citizen watch which is said to be water resistant and base metal. Under it there are numbers and I’m not sure which one is the serial number. 1032-S91905 HSB and there’s another one, 190840.
Hi Mari, thanks for visiting my blog, and apologies for my later reply. Your father’s watch is a quartz model, and I’m afraid I don’t know too much about them. The case number (1032-S91905) tells us that it uses the 1032 movement, which was a quartz calibre used for thin ladies’ watches. I’m afraid I can’t tell you when it was made – maybe the 1990s? Here is a link to the relevant technical manual:
Click to access 1030.pdf
Stephen
Hi. I hope you can help me. I found my grandfather’s old watch and I can’t find any information about it. It is a citizen quartz
2100-891279smk
41 250
34-9500. I don’t even know if it is fake.
Thanks in advance
Hi Tomi – thanks for visiting my blog, and apologies for the delay in my reply. I don’t know too much about Citizen’s quartz models, except for the very early ones, so I’m afraid I can’t help very much. I am pretty sure that your watch is genuine, the model number (34-9500) is a correct one. The case number (2100-891279) tells us that it uses a 2100 quartz movement. I don’t know when these were produced, but here is a link to the technical manual: http://www.thewatchsite.com/files/Citizen%20Technical%20Manuals/2100.pdf
Stephen
Hi my grandmother recently gave me a watch and i was wondering how old it was. The back has the numbers 2870-269187 k and below that 80622688.
It’s gold plated and has a circular face with Roman numerals. It also has a yellow moon and constellations. I would really like to know anything about it because I can’t find anything.
Hi Selena – thanks for visiting my blog and apologies for my slow reply. I am not so familiar with Citizen’s quartz movements I’m afraid. The 2870 movement has the moon phase complication and was made in the late 1980s/ 1990s as far as I know. The first three numbers in the serial number (80622688) suggest it was made in June 1986.
Stephen
hi i want to know how old my citizen watch is and what model. The serial number is 6000-K09338 MSB and below is 150586. It is silver and has a bulging square shape glass cover.
Hi Raya – thanks for visiting my blog. The model number (6000-K09338) tells us that this is Citizen Quartz watch from around 1990 as far as I know, with a 6000 movement inside (I’m not so familiar with quartz models since they are more recent than the mechanical watches I know fairly well). The serial number – 150586) indicates it was made in 1991 if I am right about when these were made.
Stephen
Hi Stephen,
I’m sorry, I posted a comment but I can’t find it, so I will write again.
I received a watch and on the back it says:
CITIZEN WATCH CO
BASE METAL YPM
5920 – F93051 YO
5 8 8 0 0 1 8
JAPAN -> 4
It’s gold, heavy, small, elegant women watch.
Can you tell me anything about this watch?
With love,
Emina
Hi Emina – thanks for visiting my blog, and apologies for my slow reply. Busy weekend with grandchildren! 🙂 Sorry about doing a second post, but I have to approve a comment before it’s published, it avoids any inappropriate stuff.
Unfortunately I can’t tell you too much about your watch since I mainly know about the earlier mechanical watches. From the info on the case back, your watch is a gold tone model (YP = Yellow Plate) and uses a quartz 5920 movement. The case/model number includes this which is helpful! The ->4 marking shows where the cased can be prised off, i.e. at the 4 o’clock position. The serial number – 5880018 can help determine when a watch is made. I found an example on the internet of a 5920 model and the style didn’t look too modern, and the seven digit serial number also suggests it isn’t too recent a model. So I would guess it is from August 1985 (from the ’58’ at the start of the serial number). I did find that a new replacement movement is available for these if one is needed, it’s a Miyota 5Y70 – see here: http://www.esslinger.com/miyota-citizen-ltd-watch-movement-5y20-quartz-movements/
Stephen
Hi Stephen,
What an amazing blog! I’m addicted to reading all the questions and answers:)
I have a Noblia Sapphire
Gold around a black face and black leather band
on the back it says:
004504
4621-E63247
TA Water Resistant Base Metal YP
Any thoughts on the age and worth? Just took it in for a new battery and it’s doing great so far. The guy said he was surprised the old battery hadn’t leaked.
Thank you!
Kristine
Hi Kristine, thanks for visiting and following my blog, and for your kind comment – much appreciated. Unfortunately I’m not so good on Citizen’s quartz watches since I collect the older mechanical models. I have had a couple of questions before about the Noblia line, and found that Citizen launched the Noblia in 1988, and at the time it was an expensive model. I think the Sapphire versions came later, in the early 1990s. I would think they had high grade anti-reflective mineral glass crystals given the ‘Sapphire’ name. Again I understand they were expensive models at the time – I have seen one reference to a Noblia Sapphire costing nearly $US500 in 1993. The model/case number – 4621-E63247 – tells us that the movement inside is a 4621 (a modern replacement can be found if necessary – http://www.perrinwatchparts.com/prod_name/miyota_quartz_watch_movement_9t22.aspx). The serial number starts with a zero, so it looks like yours was made in 1990. I’m afraid I can’t help much on value, but generally quartz models, even if they were expensive when new, do not have much value. Best way to check that out is to search eBay and see if anything similar has been sold.
Stephen
That’s incredibly helpful – thank you so much Stephen!
You’re welcome Krsitine
Hi there, i´m really impressed about your blog.
If you lend me use a Little bit of your knowledge to solve some troubles that I have had on serching data for a watch that i baugth when I was a teenager.
On the back of the watch it saids:
CITIZEN WATCH CO..
Water Resist
St.Steel
8200-802210 DHS
660080
GN-4W-8
I can also tell you that it is Automatic 21Jewels and it has a very particular glass that I don’t know really well how to describe it but it looks like some kind of prism…I guess
Really hope you can tell me something interesting about this watch as you usually do.
Thank you!
Hi Giovanni – thanks for visiting my blog. I am struggling to find any information on your specific watch. Usually I can confirm that the case number (8200-802210) is an authentic one, but I’ve had no joy with this one. The case number is a later style for the 8200 automatic, so I would think yours was made in June 1996 – is that correct do you think? The 8200 movement was first made in 1976, and was used for more than thirty years so there were many models made over that time. GN-4W-S (rather than 8 I think) is the case type, meaning it is a water resistant type with a screw down back. Your description of the glass suggests it is a ‘faceted’ type s rather than flat it is cut at different angles. Here’s an example:
Here’s more information on the 21 jewel 8200 movement: https://sweep-hand.org/2013/01/27/the-8200-movement-citizens-standard-auto/
It would be good to see a pic of your watch – I’m afraid you can’t post it here directly, but if you can upload it somewhere you could post a link.
Stephen
Thank you for answer. It was really intresnting as always. Here they are the pictures that you request, hope it helps> http://imgur.com/a/MeAMc
Can’t wait for your comments, thank you again.
Thanks for the pic Giovanni – that is what is known as ‘faceted’ glass. Same design as the on my Leopard Chronometer 🙂
Yours looks to be in decent condition, so make sure you look after it – I can’t find a part number for it and anyway it would be very difficult to find a replacement!
Stephen
Can any one tell me the yr and price of my citizen 17 jewel water resistant watch with lizard straps bears on back Citizen water resist base metal up 4-281900kt 10901466 65-563
Hi Latoya – thanks for visiting my blog. From the information you’ve provided, I think your watch is a women’s model, using either the 2300 or 5100 hand winding movement. The 5100 was just a later version of the 2300 series. They are a compact movement designed for smaller watches, with 17 jewels and running at 18,000 beats per hour which was the standard speed. I’m basing this on the model number – 65-563x – since ’65’ was used for this group of movements. The model number should have one more digit at the end – has that worn off? 4-281900 is the case number, and I can confirm that it is a genuine number 🙂 The first three number of the serial number gives us a production date. And since these were first produced in the mid-1970s, this tells us that it was made in September 1981. Although I don’t try to give valuations, in general terms I’m afraid the watch doesn’t have any great value – women’ watches are not usually collected, and to have any significant value watches from this period need to high end, rare and/or have special features, for example chronographs or divers.
Stephen
Hi Stephen,
My grandmother gave me my granddad’s watch when he passed away.
It says Citizen 21 jewels at the top of the dial and waterproof and shockproof on the lower portion.
on the back it says – swiss made, waterproof, antimagnetic, incabloo and stainless steel back.
The serial number is 969202.
it would be really helpful If u could tell me anything about the model and year of my watch because i own a few but this is the only one which i inherited
sorry – its incabloc, not incabloo
Hi Ravi – thanks for visiting my blog. I’m afraid the case back marks on your watch are not Citizen ones. A Citizen watch back would not have ‘Swiss Made’ or ‘incabloc’ on it. If your grandfather owned the watch for a long time, I wonder if an incorrect case back has been used at some time, maybe when it was serviced. Even if the rest of the watch is correct, the original case back is needed to identify the model, movement used and the production date. Do you have any photos? If you can upload them somewhere and post a link here, it would be helpful, especially if you could get the case back off and take a shot of the movement.
Stephen
Hi Stephen,
amazing blog!!!
My grandmother gave me this watch, and
for some time im trying to find information about this model. Is this real Citizen and from witch year is it?
http://i.imgur.com/gzUiATw.jpg?1
Hi Kristina, thank you for visiting my blog and for your kind comment – it is much appreciated. Unfortunately my area of knowledge is on the earlier mainly mechanical models, so I am not so helpful on the later quartz models. As quartz technology was mastered, mass production caused prices to drop and many thousands of models have been made over the years. I have managed to find a technical manual for the 2200 movement which is used in your watch as indicated by the case number on the back (thanks for the clear photos 🙂 ). This describes the two hand movement as a high grade quartz, so it isn’t one of the more basic models, also confirmed by the use of 6 jewels. The back is also marked ‘assembled in F. R. Germany’. Citizen opened their plant there in 1974, but this movement was not made that early. The style of the case number is later than that, so I think it is from the 1980s given other clues – the model number (89-6004) and the seven digit serial number are likely to be earlier than the 1990s. ‘YP’ means ‘yellow plate’ of course which means it is a gold tone watch. Again the use of ‘YP’ is more likely in the 1980s than the 1970s. So, my conclusion is that the watch is from July 1984 – from the first three digits in the serial number. Hope this is helpful.
Here’ a link to the Technical Manual: http://www.thewatchsite.com/files/Citizen%20Technical%20Manuals/2200.pdf
Stephen
I BOUGHT MY CITIZIANS BLACK BAND TITANIUM WATCH IN 1988. MY HOME WAS ROBBED IN 1990 AND MY ENTIRE JEWELRY BOX WAS STOLEN WITH MY EXTRA WATCH LINKS IN IT. NOW AS I HAVE GOTTEN OLDER I NEED THE EXTRA LINKS AS MY WATCH IS NOW TOO TIGHT TO WEAR. ALL I NEED ARE 2 LINKS. MY JEWELER SAYS THEY DON’T MAKE THOSE KIND OF BANDS ANYMORE AND THAT I WOULD NEED ANY LINKS AVILABLE FROM THAT TIME. AFTER ALL THESE YEARS MY WATCH STILL KEEPS PERFECT TIME. I LOVE MY WATCH BUT IN ORDER TO WEAR IT I NEED AT LEAST THOSE 2 MORE BLACK LINKS. THIS IS THE INFO MY JEWELER TOOK OFF THE BACK OF MY WATCH. 2250-899041 SMW. SER # 9051071. 39-6168 ( ARROW ) / 0
Hi Lin, thanks for visiting my blog. I’m afraid I can’t help with your search for bracelet links. I think the only way to source them now is to keep checking eBay for the same model and to use the bracelet from that, using the search term ‘Citizen 2250’ which will find watches with the same movement.
Stephen
Hello! My name is Meliana I am not quite sure how this site works so I ‘m leaving a comment with my watch ‘s characteristics that are written in the back of it and I ‘d be grateful for any help:
CITIZEN WATCH CO..
Water Resist
St.Steel
Base metal TGP
6010-077911 M
611231
GN-4W-S
Thank you very much in advance !
Hi Meliana, thanks for visiting my blog. I am not so familiar with Citizen’s quartz models, but I can tell you that the markings on the back, that aren’t self-explanatory, mean the it is a gold plated watch (TGP), model number is 6010-077911. This tells us that there is a 6010 quartz movement inside. ‘GN-4W-S’ is the case type, indicating that it is water resistant with a screw down case back. 611231 is the serial number, whioch tell us it was made in 1986 or 1996 – I’m sorry I can’t be more specific. Here’s a link to the technical guide for the movement: http://www.thewatchsite.com/files/Citizen%20Technical%20Manuals/6010.pdf
Stephen
Hello
I found an automatic citizen in my granparent´s home and i want to know if you can tell me the year of manufacturing or maybe the decade:
CITIZEN WATCH CO. ALL STAINLESS STELL / WATER RESISTANT
4-164156 smk
00402009
71-0555
Thanks
Hi Federico – thanks for visiting my blog. Your grand parent’s watch is an 8200 automatic. It was made in April 1980 – here is more info on the movement: https://sweep-hand.org/2013/01/27/the-8200-movement-citizens-standard-auto/
Stephen
Thank you so much, its looks like other models of the 70s but by the 0 of the beginning i wasn’t sure of the exact year.
You’re welcome Federico 🙂
Hello, could you help with the identification and information about this watch please, which I purchased quite recently, it appears never to have been worn, the day / date show German if that is of any help.
Dial shows
N8200 R09122Y
Case shows
Citizen Watch Co
Water Resist
Base Metal SSG
4-R01363 RC
060888
GN-4W-S
Hi Roy – thanks for visiting my blog. You have an’Eagle 7′ model with the 8200 automatic inside. The case material code indicates that it has a gold plated bezel. The style of the case number (4-R01363) and the 6 figure serial number indicates it is a later one, probably from June 1990, but it could even have been from 2000 (especially given its condition) since the 8200 was made for over 30 years. GN-4W-S is the case type, indicating a water resistant designs with a screw down back. More on the 8200 movement here: https://sweep-hand.org/2013/01/27/the-8200-movement-citizens-standard-auto/
Stephen
Many Thanks for the quick reply Stephen, paid £40 for it, so I suppose that’s about right as it’s roughly 15/25 years old but in excellent condition. I have 2 other Citizens and now I’ve found your excellent site, I will be back in touch for more information, regards, Roy
Hi Roy – you’re welcome, and I look forward to seeing more about your other watches 🙂
Stephen, another of my Citizens for some information…..
Dial
P-JAPAN-P 5502-F50805-Y
Case
Citizen Watch Co
ProMaster Citizen
GN-4-S
Water Resist 20 Bar
5502-F50336
1090454
Stephen, finally, the other Citizen for some information…..
Case
CITIZEN Watch Co
Water Resistant
All Stainless Steel
4-098404-TA
91203542
41-9559
GN-4W-U
JAPAN
Hi Roy, these two quartz models don’t really fall in my area of knowledge, but they are probably two of the more interesting models. The 200m diver is probably the first Pro-Master model I would think, probably from 1989, which probably explains the ‘P-JAPAN-P’ on the dial – this means that Promethium was used for the lume. See here for more info: https://sweep-hand.org/2014/12/04/radioactive-lume/
The other watch (model # 41-9559) is also interesting since it’s a ‘Digi-Ana’ model, and quite an early example I reckon. They were introduced in 1978, and yours looks to be from December 1979. One of the collectable quartz models.
Stephen
Stephen
Stephen, many thanks for the info. The Pro-Master model was purchased by my Late Wife for me in 1991 (20/12/91 to be precise, as I still have the original receipt and Guarantee Card) and the Digi-Ana model I purchased myself and I sill have the original presentation boxes for both , very interesting site and blog, can I ask please, how do I upload photo’s to your site and blog ? regards, Roy
Hi,
Hoping you can help identify the time of creation for my watch as well as a possible value.
Women’s dress watch 2200-4-151047
With a number listed as 4092562.
Thanks!
Can you help identify when my watch was made and possible value?
2200-4-159047. 4092567.
Hi and thanks for visiting my blog. I’m afraid I’m not so familiar with quartz models, but I think yours is probably from 1984 since it has an early type of case number for a quartz (4-159047). I’m afraid the value of it is low, since people don’t collect quartz watches unless they are very early and /or high end models, and there is also little interest in women’s watches. Here’s the manual for the 2200 movement for your information: http://www.thewatchsite.com/files/Citizen%20Technical%20Manuals/2200.pdf
Stephen
I have the following Citizen Ladies watch. It appears to have Mother of Pearl face plate and 4 inserts on each side of the band, The markings are:
Citizen Watch Co
Base Metal YP
5421-F45197 K
730400
Japan -> 10
Anything you can tell me about this piece will be much appreciated,
Paul
I have a men’s Citizen watch 4031, gold tone, I think it’s a rectangle analog. It is a Quartz watch. The markings on the back are as follows… Citizen watch co. Base metal YP 4031-893484 SMW, 5087846, 37-7902 with an arrow next to it, with the # 5. It has no numbers on it an has 2 hands. It should be dated 1986 or earlier. I’m looking for the exact date it was made and possible value of this watch.
Hi Rich, thanks for visiting my blog and apologies for my slow reply. I’m not an expert on quartz models, but if you are sure that it is no later than 1986, the serial number tells us it was made in August 1985 (i.e. 508 in the serial number). ->5 indicates where the back can be prised off (i.e. the 5 o’clock position). I’m afraid quartz watches, especially women’s, are of little value. Here’s the relevant technical manual for your information: http://www.thewatchsite.com/files/Citizen%20Technical%20Manuals/4031.pdf
Stephen
Hello Stephen,
I have the following Citizen Ladies watch. It appears to have Mother of Pearl face plate and 4 inserts on each side of the band, The markings are:
Citizen Watch Co
Base Metal YP
5421-F45197 K
730400
Japan -> 10
Anything you can tell me about this piece will be much appreciated,
Paul
Hi Paul – thanks for visiting my blog. I’m afraid I can’t help too much with quartz models since the older mainly mechanical models are my area. I can tell you from the case information that yours has a 5421 movement in a gold tone (YP = Yellow Plate) case. The movement number is contained within the model/case number, whilst -> 10 indicates that the back can be prised off at the 10 o’clock position. Given the battery life is 3 years (longer than earlier quartz movements) and the 6 figure serial number (earlier would have 7 or 8) then I would guess this is from 1997, but I can’t be sure. Here’s a link to the relevant technical manual for your information: http://www.thewatchsite.com/files/Citizen%20Technical%20Manuals/5421.pdf
Stephen
Thanks for the information Stephen. I find it very helpful
You’re welcome Paul 🙂
Hello Stephen, I have another Citizen Watch for you and I’d be very grateful for any information.
Dial
P-JAPAN-P
8200
914158 KA
Case
Citizen Watch Co
Water Resist
Stainless
4-823974K
81200014
GN-4-S
JAPAN
again, many thanks in advance, regards, RoyW
Hi Roy – from the info you have given I think this one is an 8200 automatic from the late 1970s, so it won’t be an ‘Eagle 7’ version – is that correct? ‘P-JAPAN-P’ on the dial means it has promethium lumed markers. Use of that lume would indicate a relatively early model, as would the style of the case number and the eight figure serial number. So I think it was made in December 1978. GN-4-S is the case type, i.e. water resistant with a screw down case back.
Stephen
Hello Stephen, just to confirm, there is the “Eagle 7” crest on the dial, how do I post photo’s on your blog, can I do it directly or would I have to host it somewhere else (dropbox etc) and link it to the site page ?, regards, RoyW
Hi Roy – ok, so it may be from 1988, since I don’t think the Eagle 7’s were made before 1980. Unfortunately only I can post images directly here, so it does need a link to another place.
Stephen
Hi plz help me identify my watch i found it in an old house c-200-089553 830154 GN-4-S.plz help me.
Hello Stephen, the only reason I ask is that I purchased another “Citizen” watch from *bay(wasn’t sure whether I could mention the site), the photo’s weren’t the best quality and it wasn’t until I received the watch that I realised that the caseback was completely different and NOT an original Citizen. my local watchmaker has confirmed that it is an original genuine Citizen, but without the original caseback and obviously the serial numbers etc, I can’t find out any information about it.Long shot really, if I was to post a photo of the watch, do you think that it could be identified that way ?,regards, RoyW
Hi Roy – by all means post a link to the photos. Happy to take a look at it 🙂
Stephen
Hi just inherited my great grandfather citizen watch. It was given to him for 41 years service. can you help identify the model and age of the watch? on the back it reads as follows:
CITIZEN
WATER RESISTANT
BASE METAL YP
3801 – 450302 TA
5110115
35-7502
GN-4-S
JAPAN
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Isaac
Hi Isaac – I’m afraid I’m not so familiar with the quartz models. The info on the case back tells us that it has a 3801 movement, 35-7502 is the model number and GN-4-S is the case type, meaning it is a water resistant type with a screw down back. The first three figures in the serial number – 5110115 – hep us date the watch, but I’m afraid I don’t know what decade these were made in. So it could be November 1985, at the earliest, or 1995. For your information, here’s a link to the relevant technical manual: http://www.thewatchsite.com/files/Citizen%20Technical%20Manuals/3800.pdf
Stephen
Hi Stephen.
I have received a Citizen Quartz watch recently and just trying to find out the production date.
On the back I see two sets of numbers.
6031-K03658 and 3020837
Hi Meastro – thanks for visiting my blog. I’m afraid I am not so familiar with the quartz models, but having had a few questions asked about the 6031 models (as yours is), I think they were made in the late 1980s / early 1990s. So, from the first three figures in the serial number, although I can’t be certain, I would think yours is from February 1993. Here’s a link to the relevant technical manual: http://www.watchuseek.com/archive/seikocitizen/Citizen_Technical_Manuals/6031.pdf%5D
Stephen
Hello Stephen, the only reason I ask is that I purchased another “Citizen” watch from *bay(wasn’t sure whether I could mention the site), the photo’s weren’t the best quality and it wasn’t until I received the watch that I realised that the caseback was completely different and NOT an original Citizen. my local watchmaker has confirmed that it is an original genuine Citizen, but without the original caseback and obviously the serial numbers etc, I can’t find out any information about it.Long shot really, if I was to post a photo of the watch, do you think that it could be identified that way ?,regards, RoyW
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Hello Stephen, C & P’ed one of my previous posts to save going through it all again, I have posted 3 photo’s for you to have a look at, as you can see the watch is definitely an “Eagle 7” but date etc unknown, waiting, hopefully, in anticipation,regards, RoyW
http://s211.photobucket.com/user/roywebb27555/embed/slideshow/Citizen%20Watch
Hi Roy – thanks for the link to the pics. This looks to me to be a re-finished dial – I can’t see a dial code and the ’21 jewels’ print looks a bit too big. The case has been heavily polished too. So, as your watchmaker has confirmed it is a Citizen 8200 auto, but with wrong case back, that has been worked on. As it’s an Eagle 7 it is most probably from the mid 1980s, but I don’t have any catalogs from that period, and the dial may or may not be the original colour. Sorry I can’t be any more specific – shows how useful a correct case back can be!
Stephen
Hello Stephen, thanks for the info, I didn’t give you a great deal to go on and as you say, all the information is in the caseback but mid 80’s is close enough for me, the only other info on the dial was Japan and 8200 but extremely faint, (the watchmaker, through his eyeglass confirmed this), looks good on the wrist and keeps excellent time after a service, again, thanks for an excellent site, regards, RoyW
You’re welcome Roy – good to hear the watch is running well 🙂
Stephen
I have a Citizen Quartz Watch that I think is gold. I have all the information that is stamped on it. I am unsure which one can be used to determine what the watch is but I am having difficulty finding it online anywhere. The face plate has Japan 3220-320660 and the back plate (battery cover) [first line]CITIZEN [second line]BASE METAL YP [third line] 3220-320514 Y [fourth line] 6080310 [fifth line] 32-5228 [sixth line] JAPAN. Please help me to figure out what I have and what it’s worth, if anything. Thank You!!!
Hi Trisha, thanks for visiting my blog. I’m afraid I’m not so familiar with Citizen’s quartz models but here is what I can tell you. This is what the numbers mean on the case back:
3220-320514 is the case number, which indicates that there is a 3220 quartz movement inside, whilst 32-5228 is the model number – watch makers would use these numbers when servicing or repairing watches to find the correct part numbers. YP indicates a gold tone case
6080310 is the serial number and the first three digits indicate the production date. However we need to know which decade the movement was used in. Since I don’t know the quartz models too well, I can’t be sure, but it is likely to be from the 1990s, so if that’s correct yours is from August, 1996. I’m afraid quartz watches don’t have any great value. For your inof here’s a link to the relevant technical manual: http://www.thewatchsite.com/files/Citizen%20Technical%20Manuals/3220.pdf
Stephen
Stephen
Hi Sweephand, I have a late 60s early 70s parawater it has a brushed gold dial with straight gold hands, single date and gold ring around the glass.
The watch back says:
TGP
CITIZEN
4-180909 SM
PARA WATER
711100
63-1507
This watch was the first mechanical watch that was given to me by my father. He was given it at a function over here in Australia while he was a radio personality and they had these watches on the table in blocks of ice. Dad had two textile watch bands that were with it, one was tan and the other was red and blue striped.
I am wondering what year this watch was from, what sort of band it normally would have had and what sort of water resistance was to be expected from a watch of this model. The winder was replaced when I got it around 28 years ago, and it had a full service (it is a hand wind model) and I am wondering if there is a specific winder that I need to get for it now so that it maintains it’s water resistance level. Not that I want to go swimming with it on… Thanks heaps for your thoughts and any info you can provide for this watch.
Regards,
Tim.
Hi Tim – thanks for visiting my blog. It’s great to hear you still have your first watch 🙂 And it is very interesting to read it was presented on ice, presumably to show that it was water resistant. What you have is a hand winder using the 1800 movement, which is the ‘Homer’ (02) movement with date complication. These were first produced in 1962 and had a long production run, not least because they are a strong and reliable movement. ‘4-180909′ is the case number which helps identify the movement, and 63-1507 is the model number – the ’63’ prefix is also typical of watches with this movement inside. ‘TGP’ is of course the case material code, indicating a gold plated model. ‘PARAWATER’ was used by Citizen for waterproof, up to 1972/3 at the latest when it had to be dropped in favour of ‘Water Resistant’. The first three figures in the serial number tell us that the watch was made in November 1967.
My reference material doesn’t give a band part number, so it it looks like this model did not retail with a metal bracelet so a simple leather strap would have been likely.
A ‘parawater’ watch with no depth rating on the dial has just basic water and dust resistance, so it would always be wise to avoid any use in water, swimming or showering for example, although in perfect, new condition it may well have been very effective as long as there was no real water pressure exerted.
Does the crown need to be replaced? The correct crown will have a rubber gasket which would seal to the tube that carries the stem through the case, so it is important to get a correct replacement. Unfortunately, the problem these days is finding an original one…..
Stephen
Hi Stephen,
Many thanks for your reply and all the information, it is great to learn a bit more about this watch. The crown is still working well, but when I was given it, the crown was missing which is why my Dad had stopped using it I presume. He had it serviced and the shaft and crown would have been replaced. Do you have any idea what the original crown would have looked like? The replacement may have been original seeing it was replaced back around 1984. It does seem to fit very snugly to the case like it was made to fit.
Kind Regards,
Tim.
Hi Tim, you’re welcome. The original part number for your watch crown is 506-110 and here are images of one of these I’ve found so you can compare with yours:
Stephen
Thanks for the pictures Stephen, I had a chat with my dad and he said that the watch was one that a friend bought from the US for him. The one in the block of ice was a timex and he said it was pretty trashy and didn’t last long, so my mistake there. I find it interesting that the code says that the case is gold plated when it is only the ring that is plated, the rest is stainless. He seemed to remember that the original band was a stretch metal gold band, which was later changed out for a textile band.
Many Thanks,
Tim.
hey i have a citizen quartz watch
on the back it says
citizen watch co
water resist
base metal
5920 K15052 CK
230344
GN-0-S – 10
can you tell me if there is gold in there or what the watch it worth? thankyou very much!
Hi Joanna, thanks for visiting my blog. I’m afraid I don’t know very much about more recent quartz watches, however unless your watch is stamped ’18K’ or ’14K’ even if it’s gold coloured there is probably very little if any gold in it.
Stephen
4611-e61295 ta
906386
Gn-7-s
Hi Ezekiel – thanks for visiting my blog. I guess you are asking when your watch was made. It’s a quartz model and I am not so familiar with those. My guess would be 1999.
Stephen
Hey I’m vamping up my dad’s watch new glass new battery ect it’s an old citizen quartz square face numbers 7087888 on the back just any information on it would be nice
Hi Sinead, thanks for visiting my blog. I’m not so familiar with quartz models I’m afraid, but if you want to let me know what else is marked on the case back I can see what information I can give you.
Stephen
Hello Stephen, back again for more information if possible,
Caseback
Citizen Watch Co
Water Resist
Base Metal YP
4-039289 HST
7N2587
GN-4-S
Hi Roy – good to hear from you. I believe this is another Eagle 7, with the 8200 automatic movement. Is that correct? This type of serial number – six digits and the letter ‘N’ for November – is indicative of later models, so I would think this one could be as late as 1997. Can’t be certain though I’m afraid since I don’t know when this style was first used, so it could be 1987.
Stephen
I have an early watch that still keeps good time but not sure of its origin or age, hope you can help., it has the numbers on the back , 4-18081y, 20300826, 63-1418. And on the face it has. Japan 1800. 188664-y
Hi Gary, thanks for visiting my blog. Your watch is a hand winder, with the 1800 ‘Homer’ movement inside. This is the date version of the 0200 movement which is normally referred to as the ‘Homer’ since the most well known and prolific model it was found in was the Homer. The 0200 was first produced in 1960, with the 1800 date version following in 1962. It became a proven, reliable design and had a long production run, to around 1980. And the same movements produced under licence in India by the HMT company stayed in production for a great deal longer.
The markings on yours, particularly the case number (4-18081 – is there another digit in the number?) and the model number (63-1418) are typical of the late 1960s/early 1970s, so we can pin the production date down to March 1972 (see first three figures in te serial number). Around this time Citizen’s ‘parawater’, or ‘waterproof’ on export models, was being phased out and replaced by ‘water resistant’, so a 1972 model could have either – is yours marked at all?
Good to hear yours is still keeping good time – in good condition the Homer movement is very sound, and a ‘second setting’ version was issued to Japan’s national railway staff so they had to be reasonably accurate too!
Stephen
Hi Stephen
Thank you for your quick response.
Iooks like I did leave a didget of the end it was 4-180810 y .
My parents gave me this watch for my 18th or 19 th birthday so that was around 1973 -74 , the glass on the face is very scratched so I’m going to have it replaced and serviced and use it again.
Thank you for all your information
Regards
Gary
You’re welcome Gary – good to hear you are getting it serviced and that you are still using it after all these years.
Stephen
Citizen quartz Japan
On the front I can’t make out the numbers on the face. I reckon it’s 6110 – g28260 – y
White face
Analogue
Date
Yellow gold plate metal
On the back
Citizen watch Co.
Water resist.
Base metal yp.
6115 – G07583 Y
1050213
GN – 0 – S
Japan -> 12
Hi Chris, thanks for visiting my blog. I’m afraid I’m not so familiar with quartz models, and I don’t know when the 6115 movement that’s in yours was produced. The earliest it could be is 1981, but it may be 1991.
Stephen
That’s OK, you’re welcome. Thank you for your knowledge.
Many thanks.
Chris.
Hello Stephen,
I have recently looked through my late fathers stash of vintage watches and found a Citizen Automatic amongst them. It does not keep good time So I will need to consider whether to get it serviced / repaired or not. Could you please let me know if you could tell me any information regarding this watch? The details are as follows:
On the front:
Citizen
Automatic
‘Three Stars’
21 Jewels
Has a day and date window
Back:
4-165390SMK
6 300352
71-6332
Any information would be great.
Thanks
Dan
Hi Dan, thanks for visiting my blog. The details you’ve given suggests your watch has the 6501 movement inside. There should be a dial code, in small print under the 6 o’clock marker, and if this starts with ‘6501’ then that confirms the movement. The 6501 movement was made in the early to mid-1970s, and yours is from 1976 (see first figure in the serial number). The 6501 is a nice movement, which can run reliably and accurately when in good condition. I did wonder whether it might have the 8200 movement – but a dial code will confirm which it is.
4-165390 is the case number, and this contains a clue to the movement inside. 71-6332 is the model number, which is of less use these days. 6300352 is the serial number and the first two digits give a production date of March 1976. It can’t be any other year for this movement since it was only produced in the 1970s.
The poor time-keeping might be resolved simply by a service to thoroughly clean and lubricate it. This would need to be done by a good watch maker who is familiar with vintage mechanicals. It is possible to find movement parts for these if needed – possibly from a ‘donor’ watch.
Hope this helps, Stephen
Hello! I have recently found a golden Citizen watch with black face in my attic. I hope there is anyone who could tell me something about its value.
Details front:
Automatic
a crown including the number 7
below the crown stands “CRYSTAL”
day and date window
Details back:
Citizen watch CO.
water resist
base metal YPM
4-R05776 RC
4050253
GN-4W-S
and on the strap stands stainless steel
I hope this information helps to evaluate the value of this watch. If not, I can send you some pictures!
Thank you very much!
Stefan
Hi Stefan, thanks for visiting my blog. I avoid giving opinions on value since there are many variables, so I advise people to search eBay for similar models, in similar condition, to get an idea. Your watch is puzzling me since the dial markings suggest a Crystal 7 model, but ‘water resist’ and other marks on the back look to be later in style than the Crystal 7’s would normally be. Could the ‘crown’ on the dial be an Eagle motif do you think? If so, then you have an Eagle 7 model which fits better with the case back markings. There may be a dial code, in small print below the 6 o’clock marker, and that may have the movement number at the start, e.g. 8200. In general terms these models don’t have great value ‘gold’ plated models have less value these days than stainless steel.
Stephen
Hi Stephen
I just recived a Citizen automatic watch from my uncle. I was woundering if you have some information about my new clock.
4-281080 KT
011012 70
GN-4W-S
71-2591
Hi Endre – thanks for visiting my blog. Your watch is from November 1980 and has the 8200 automatic movement inside. The 8200 was first produced in 1976 and was used for over 30 years. More info here: https://sweep-hand.org/2013/01/27/the-8200-movement-citizens-standard-auto/
Stephen
Hi Stephen, i have read quite a number of the posts here and i am amazed with how you got those info and helped fellow watch enthusiast.
I was given a Citizen automatic. I think it is quite old, looks old fashioned. But i like it.
All it says on the face is Citizen 21 Jewels with an eagle too. At the back is:
Citizen Watch Co.
Water Resist
Stainless
4-S8142 HST
786487
GN-4W-S
Any info on how i can get details of this watch woukd be greatly appreciated.
Hi Lim, thank you for visiting my blog and for your kind comments. Looks like you have an ‘Eagle 7’ automatic, with Citizen’s 8200 movement inside. See here for more info: https://sweep-hand.org/2013/01/27/the-8200-movement-citizens-standard-auto/
The 8200 was first produced in 1976, and was used for over 30 years, so can be hard to date. The Eagle 7 motif suggests the 1980s or 1990s. The serial number – 786487 – tells us it’s from 1987 or 1997. I’m afraid I can’t be sure exactly which one. The case number – 4-S8142 doesn’t look correct – could it be a ‘2’ rather than ‘S’ and is there one more figure? There are usually seven figures in the case number, i.e. 4-xxxxxx.
Stephen
I also have a..
4-S81462 HST
7N5216
GN-4W-S
Japan
With Mickey Mouse on the front and CITIZEN and AUTOMATIC
Perhaps these are ‘Fake’ Citizen watches?
Hi Neil, thanks for visiting my blog. Citizen did make Mickey Mouse watches, but I haven’t got info on them I’m afraid. A search of the internet using the case number only brings up an Eagle 7 model. Can you see a dial code? It will be under the 6 o’clock marker. If you can upload pics somewhere it would be helpful to have a look at the watch, including the movement of you can take the back off. Stephen
Thanks Stephen.
https://vk.com/photo105501647_456239635
https://vk.com/photo105501647_456239634
Hi Neil, thanks for the link to the pics. I’m afraid that this is a re-dial of an 8200 auto. ‘JAPAN MADE’ was not used by Citizen, and the quality of the dial is not up to Citizen’s standards. Stephen
Hi,
First of all – great site. I stumbled across the 8110 range by accident on eBay whilst looking for something else and fell in love with them.
I have an 8110A which I would like a bit of help with. The case back reads:
4-901045 TA
1072831
GN-4-S
67-9119
Japan
SSB
I believe the case back to be correct to the watch as it has the rotating bezel. However, I have chipped the edge of the glass and am struggling to get hold of a new one. I Googled it and came across you list of all the styles you know of and saw the parts list. Looking at that, it shows that these have a unique(?) glass – part number 54-50880. Are these available?
Also, trying to determine the production date I came a bit unstuck. Your list says that the 8110A was manufactured from ’72 until ’80. I read my serial number (if it is 1072831) as being made in July of either ’71 or ’81 though so I guess I have a very late or early one?
I have 4 8110As in total (including a 67-9038 & a 67-9020) and love them!
Hi Simon – thanks for visiting my blog and for your kind comment. Your 67-9119 sounds all correct. As to the production date, it looks like I need to extend the run to 1981! I’m pretty certain that it won’t have been made as early as 1971. The first 8100 and 8110 models were launched in October 1972, and as far as I know the 67-9119 wasn’t in the early line-up, but first appeared around the mid-1970s. Sounds like you haeve a nice 8110 collection 🙂
You’re right about the crystal number but I’m afraid that crystals for all the 8110 models are getting increasingly hard to find. I may be able to help on this one though – please let me know if you want me to email you.
Stephen
Hi,
Thanks for the response.
I am quite happy with it. They all work but not all have original crowns which is a bit of a shame but not the end of the world. Now looking for a speedy, an octagonal challenge timer and 67-9071 though!
More than happy for you to email me. Do you have my email from my posts or should I send it to you?
Simon
Hi Simon – I have your email, so will send message later when I’m back at my pc.
Cheers, Stephen
email sent 🙂
Hello! First of all, You have a great blog which is very interesting!
Sorry to trouble you but I would like to ask about a citizen watch I found, some more information about it and if its genuine and so.
Thank you in advance!
Kind regards,
Anders
Hello! First of all, you have a fantastic blog! Very interesting!
I wonder if you could help me with a watch that I have found. I wonder if its genuine and would like to know more about the watch.
It is a Citizen Automatic with a eagle 7 logo.
On the case is;
CITIZEN WATCH CO.
Water resist
Stainless
4-038878K
10401583
GN-4W-S
JAPAN
Sorry, I would like to post pictures but I wonder if they will be blocked or considered as spam.
Thank you in advance!
Kind regards,
Anders Hallberg
Hi Anders, thanks for visiting my blog and for your kind comments. The links to your photos are fine, I’m afraid visitors aren’t allowed to post images directly here. The watch looks fine to me, it’s an Eagle 7 from April 1987, with the 8200 movement. The case may have been polished, taking a little of the sharpness from the edges, but otherwise the markings look good, and it has an appropriate dial code. There’s more info on this movement here: https://sweep-hand.org/2013/01/27/the-8200-movement-citizens-standard-auto/
Stephen
Thank you for your reply! Now i know some more about it!
Anders
I forgot to ask, a watch which its glas have been removed and a new one replaced is it something you should re-think about before buying? 🙂
Thank you again!
– Anders
You’re welcome Anders 🙂 If the replacement glass is correct for the watch then it’s not a problem. Changing a worn crystal is the best way to immediately improve the look of a vintage piece. What is not good is if the glass is not correct, and / or has been glued in rather than being fitted correctly.
Stephen
Hi! I recently got two watches which I am trying to figure out their date of manufacture and some more about them. So my search took me here! You have a great blog and I hope I wont be a burden if I ask you about them. I tried to date them but I seem to not really get it correctly.
The first one Im not sure if this is a hand wind one or automatic one. I dont know if I should open them or not.
Case says;
Citizen All stainless steel, Water proof
I1307, 81000410
And here is the other one!
Thank you! And I will be reading this blog from now on! Very Interesting!
Best wishes,
Paul
Hi Paul – thanks for visiting my blog and for your kind comments. The first watch is a hand winder, with the ‘Homer’ date 1800 movement inside. This movement was first produced in 1962, and your example is from October 1968. It’s marked waterproof so it is earlier than 1972/3, and is an export model since it is marked ‘proof’ and not ‘parawater’. This is the first example I’ve seen with the ‘I’ case number, which is absolutely correct, but unusual.
Your second watch is a re-dialled 8200 automatic – probably done in India where lots of these models are re-done, presumably because the original dials are beyond rescue. Harder to date as a result n=but most likely from the 1980s – is the first figure in the serial number a ‘5’? If so that would make it 1985.
Please have a look round for more info on the 8200 movement, and your 1800 Homer – the 02/Family Tree will help, and the Movement Table too.
Stephen
Thank you so much! I will check those out!
Hi Again! I have a question about my Homer date 1800 movement. I noticed it says Japan made on the dial. have it been re-dialled like the 8200 automatic? sorry to trouble you!
Hi Paul – does it just have ‘JAPAN’ on the dial or ‘JAPAN MADE’ (no Internet access where I am at the moment so can’t check your pic)
Stephen
Hi Stephen! Thanks for your reply! It says JAPAN MADE,
– Paul
Ok, I’ll have to check it out a bit more, but will need a few days since I’ll be struggling to get on the net.
Stephen
Thanks! Sorry to trouble you! I appreciate the help!
No problem, happy to help
Hi Paul – I’ve now had chance to have another look at your watch, and to find similar examples in my reference files and on the web. At the moment I think that your has been re-finished. I can’t find other examples with JAPAN MADE on the dial. It’s always just JAPAN either on its own under the 6 o’clock marker or to the side with a numerical code as well.
Stephen
Thank you so much Stephen! Sorry for the trouble!
You’re welcome Paul
I have a watch that I have not worn in years. Not sure what to do with it. I doubt it’s vintage, the battery is dead. Should I just give it away? Here is the information on the back:
Citizen
water resist
base metal ssg:
2030-288033KT
1100192
31-5460
GN-4W S
Hi Joanna – thanks for visiting my blog. I’m afraid I don’t know so much about quartz watches – I would think it’s probably from 1991, but I can’t be sure. I’m afraid quartz models, unless they are very early examples and / or very high end, nave little value.
Here’s a link to the relevant technical manual, in which you’ll find the battery details if you want to see if it will run again: http://www.thewatchsite.com/files/Citizen%20Technical%20Manuals/2030.pdf
Stephen
Hello Stephen, I have two more “Citizens” for you to look at please with regards to some information
Dial
Citizen
Automatic
21 Jewels
Eagle 7 Crest
Caseback
Ciiizen Watch Co
Water Resist
Base Metal YP
4-039289 HST
7N2587
GN-4-S
…..and the other is
Dial
Citizen
Automatic
Caseback
CITIZEN
Water Resist
Stainless
4-282060 KT
71-2931
GN-4-S
…..again, regards and thanks for your time, RoyW
Hi Roy – good to hear from you again 🙂 These are both 8200 automatics I think. The Eagle 7 one is of course! Both case numbers are correct, and the Eagle 7 looks to be from November 1987 I would think. I had a quick look for an example of the other one, and found a recent eBay sale – did you buy that one? That looks to me to be a re-dial, so it may have had an Eagle 7 dial originally. Has it not got a serial number? Also is there a dial code, or is it marked ‘JAPAN MADE’ which is often seen on re-dials?
Stephen
Hello Stephen, I did buy it recently and, Yes it has Japan Made and NO dial code, is that not the “71” code for country ?(i.e 71-2931 for Japan), completely missed the serial no.(11202091) and could be 4-282080 KT, slightly mis-read, also has a CTZ crown, bit of a mystery this one, but the “stamped” or “engraved” caseback does look dated, there is another Citizen from the same seller with virtually the same dial but with a different style of case but the caseback DOES look to be a newer design, thanks again for your repsonse, regards, RoyW
Hi Roy – an original dial would typically start with ‘8200’. The model number doesn’t relate to
Oops – hit enter too soon! Model number doesn’t relate to country afaik. The case and back are likely to be original, with likely production date of 1979
Stephen
Sorry production date should have been 1981
Stephen
Is it worth anything?
Hello, i wanna buy a watch, and i can’t decide between 2 citizen watches. It is my first watch and i don’t know much about them, could you help me choose? It’s not about the design, only about the watch itself, because i have no problem with either of them. My major problem is that i don’t know how to compare them and if their differences are worth the different price.
First : http://www.dutyfreeislandshop.com/citizen-ca4250-03e-eco-drive-200m-multi-dial-chronograph-watch
Second : http://www.dutyfreeislandshop.com/citizen-bj2110-01e-bj2111-08e-eco-drive-promaster-aqualand-chronograph-divers-japan-watch
Sorry about posting from market site, but all the info is visible there and you can also compare.
Also i’m buying from a local vendor, price for first is 220, second is 415, euros.
Hi Chris – thanks for visiting my blog. This site is all about vintage watches, and I know very little about modern ones. Personally I don’t like most modern watches so I’m probably the last person to ask for advice! 🙂
Stephen
Hi, you have an fantastic blog, thank you!
I really want to know from what year my citizen quartz is. The information on the back is:
Water resistant
Base metal top
4-140141 TA
0091480
45-5164
GN-4W-S
Japan
G P
Thank you in advance
Hi Zach – thanks for visiting my blog and for your kind comment. Apologies for my late reply. I’m afraid I am not so familiar with Citizen’s quartz models, but I think your watch is a ‘Seven’ model. If so, then it was made in September 1980, and uses the 1400 movement. This movement was a significant one, in that it was the first to give a battery life of 8 years – a considerable improvement over the typical 1 to 2 year battery life at the time. Here’s a link to the relevant technical manual, where you’ll see the technology described as ‘Citizen’s technical superbness’ 🙂
Click to access 1400.pdf
Stephen
Hi Stephen, I have a ladies gold citizen watch. The face is very small, maybe 1/2″ in diameter. There are no numbers, just gold posts and two gold hands. It has a bevelled gate type bracelet which is stamped JAM 375 .along with something else I can’t make out. The case is stamped 9ct gold with a few other assayers marks that I can’t make out. The face has the markings citizen Quartz Japan 5420 F45348 KA. It was given to me as a present over 20 years ago I think. The bracelet needs attention and the watch needs a service. I was wondering if it worth fixing it up?
Thanks
Hi Geri – I’m afraid I can’t help very much with a relatively recent quartz model. From your description it may be that your watch case and bracelet was made by a jewellery maker who has then used the Citizen 5420 movement, since the case back is not marked in the usual way and would typically be made of stainless steel. I would think it is worth sorting out if it’s not too costly to do, especially if it has some sentimental value, and since it is also a piece of jewellery. For information, here’s a link to the relevant technical manual: http://www.thewatchsite.com/files/Citizen%20Technical%20Manuals/5420.pdf
Stephen
Hi Stephen. I have a yellow Citizen Quartz watch and I’m wondering when it was manufactured. It has a circular face of roughly 1.25 inches with numbers along the face. There are two black hands and one gold-colored second hand. Below is the caseback inscription.
Citizen Watch Co.
Base Metal YP
6100-S13327 SMK
0050571
=> 5
Hi Justin, thanks for visiting my blog. I’nm not so familiar with the quartz models, but from a little research it seems that the 6100 movement was produced in the 1980s. This leaves a bit of a problems since the serial number gives the year as ‘0’ so it could be 1980 or 1990. I’ve seen one or two described as from the latter half of the 1980s, so I would think it more likely that yours is from 1990. For info here’s the relevant technical manual: http://www.thewatchsite.com/files/Citizen%20Technical%20Manuals/6100.pdf
Stephen
Wow! Thank you for the knowledgeable and quick reply! Apparently this watch was passed down from my granddad so I’m a little skeptical about it being from the 90’s. That being said, I’m taking a look at the technical manual and things certainly seem to match up quite nicely.
Cheers
Hi Justin – the earliest it could be is 1980, but I’m afraid I don’t have any catalogues later than 1979 so I can’t search anything to pin it down a bit more. The 6100 movement isn’t in the 1979 list. I’ve seen one 6100 model described as being from 2000! Quartz technology developed so quickly and movement designs and designations also changed rapidly so it won’t have been in production for that kind of time.
Stephen
Hi Stephan,
I have a number of Citizen vintage watches (3) and I wanted to get some help if possible. Some of them need some work so just would like to get a picture of if it is worth fixing them up. I would be happy to send you some pictures if that would help. Please let me know what you think.
Hi Simon – thanks for visiting my blog. I’m happy to have a look at your watches, I’ll email you 🙂
Stephen
Hello, would love to get some information about my Citizen Watch
On the front face it has as follows:
Citizen
Elegance
JAPAN MOVT-1012-N89570-KA
On the back it has as follows:
Citizen Watch Co.
Water resistant
Base Metal
1012 – S73826 HSB
140808
GN – 0 – S => 8
If you have any idea on value that would also be awesome.
Thanks in advance!
Hi, thanks for visiting my blog. I’m afraid I can’t help very much, since your watch is a fairly recent one I think. It uses the 1012 which as far as I know is from the 2000’s. It’s described here as from 2010: http://www.ranfft.de/cgi-bin/bidfun-db.cgi?10&ranfft&0&2uswk&Citizen_1012A, so yours could be as recent as 2011.
I’m not familiar with values for this kind of watch, so I’d advise searching eBay for similar watches to get an idea of value.
Stephen
I recently acquired a Citizen watch, I know nothing about it and would like to know if you could tell me anything like how old it might be. Here’s the info on the back of the watch from top to bottom.
4-063155 am
11048512
GN-4-5
71-2159
Hi Jeremy, thanks for visiting my blog. I believe your watch is one of the ‘Eagle 7’ models, which use the 8200 automatic movement. That movement was first produced around 1976 and the Eagle 7 range appeared in the 1980s. 4-063155 is the case number, and 71-2159 is the model number, and both seem to be authentic Citizen numbers. GN-4-S is the case type, and indicates a water resistant type with a screw down back. The serial number – 11048512 – suggests to me that it is from October 1981 (from first three figures), so is an early Eagle 7 model. Is there an Eagle motif on the dial? There should also be a dial code printed beneath the 6 o’clock marker. If these are not present, then it may have been re-dialled, which is not uncommon with these 8200’s.
Stephen
Yes there is an eagle on the watch below the dial, it also says 21 jewels
All sounds good Jeremy. There’s more on the 8200 movement here: https://sweep-hand.org/2013/01/27/the-8200-movement-citizens-standard-auto/
Stephen
Oh my I’m in love with this thread!
I have a tougher question
I have a 15 year old Citizen Quartz (according to citizen customer service)
Serial is 5930-s004578
I’m in love with this thing. Daily driver.
I am sending it in for a Third time. Yikes!
I know that it has been out of production for 14 years. I know that I want it.
It’s worthless to many.
I have searched and searched.
I found two whole posts on eBay that ended forever ago. I’ve been to every place I can think. What say you on how to find another of this watch.
It was a production watch, nothing limited or special. I just can’t find it!
I just want another!
Hi, thanks for visiting my blog and for your kind comment. Unfortunately I’m not much help with quartz models. A search for your model – 5930-s004578 – doesn’t get too far. Thousands of quartz models have been produced over the years and there is little or no info on them, and they are not collected so there is no reference material to be found. If there’s a problem with the movement it would be easy enough to replace it. The movement is the 5930 so if you search eBay for Citizen 5930 there are quite a number for sale that could donate the movement, and I did see that you can buy a new replacement movement when I did a quick search.
Stephen
Hi Stephen,
You certainly have a lot of info’ here, well done.
I have a simple question regarding the 21 jewel Eagle Auto’s : Were they only produced with the Eagle in gold and the 7 in red or was the Eagle logo ever produced in all gold.
Regards …… Gary
Hi Gary, thanks for visiting my blog. Good question! I don’t know the answer I’m afraid. The Eagle 7 range began production in the early 1980s which is later than the period of my collection. I have seen gold and steel eagles with the background to the seven in red, or blue on a woman’s model. As far as I can recall I have seen all gold examples but only on re-dialled, non-original examples. I haven’t researched this though, so I can’t be sure whether there are other genuine variations on the usual design / colours.
Stephen
Hi, I wasn’t sure what thread to post this, but do you know anything about a Citizen “DUKE” watch? I have not been able to find any information on the internet about this. Any info you have would be greatly appreciated.
Berni
Hi Bernie, thanks for visiting my blog. I don’t recall seeing a Citizen ‘DUKE’, but if you can give some more info it might be possible to identify what it is. First and foremost though, is it a mechanical watch, or a quartz? Second, can you please provide details of what is on the dial and the case back – this information will be crucial in trying to identify it properly. Even better would be photos 🙂 If you have some, they can’t be posted here directly, but if they can be uploaded somewhere like Photobucket, then you can post a link.
Stephen
Hello my name is Stephen, I have a citizens dive watch. It was sold with a dive tank watch case. It is half digital with a gold tone type bezel. It has the letters and numbers GN-4-S also C506-E80427 TA also 840186 this last number is above the first number GN-4-S. Any information on this watch would be appreciated, especially the age of the watch. The only problem I have with it is sometimes the digital part of the watch goes blank and you have to pull out the stem and press all three buttons at ounce to reset the watch. Then the digital part comes back on and you have to set the time date ect…. thanks for your help, Stephen
Hi Stephen, thanks for visiting my blog. I’m afraid I’m not familiar with your watch since it is a more recent quartz model. I think yours, with the C506 calibre – is a Promaster Aqualand model. This range was launched in 1995 so I would think yours is from 1998. If you’ve not found it already here is the relevant technical manual: http://www.thewatchsite.com/files/Citizen%20Technical%20Manuals/C506.pdf
Stephen
Hi Stephen,
I came across an old watch lying at the bottom of my drawer. It is a CITIZEN AUTOMATIC watch for WOMEN. The dial has an EAGLE symbol at the bottom (right above the 6am/pm marker) and has 21 JEWELS written on it. It has a light colored dial and also has a Day-Date indicator.
The rear casing has the following written on it:
– ALL STAINLESS STEEL
– WATER RESISTANT
– JAPAN
– CITIZEN WATCH CO.
– 4-161157SMK
– 8107417
– 54-8014
(I could email you a few pictures if required)
I wished to know how old the watch really is, and whether it has any value as a vintage watch.
Hi, thanks for visiting my blog, and many apologies for the delay in replying. As you have said your watch is a women’s Eagle 7 model, which has the 6650 movement inside. The serial number gives a production date of October 1988. The Eagle 7 models do not have any great value I’m afraid, although the movements when in good condition are reliable and accurate.
Stephen
Hi please tell me i have CITIZEN Early Pteam (i thins P) Engine clock Train NO.4RG213 Thank you :))
Hi, thanks for visiting my blog. The information you’ve given is not too clear to me. Could you please post everything that is marked on the back of the case and the dial. Thanks, Stephen
Hi,
I recently received a watch from my great grandmother and an having trouble finding any information about it. The back says
Citizen
Base metal yp
1100-107241 S
1 1 0 4 2 8 5
49-6383
Japan
Any information at all would be greatly appreciated.
hi Stephen
Like many ordinary people, i’ve been searching for info about my watch & came across your site, i would like to ask for your expertise in identifying the model & name & year of my watch please. I havnt been able to find a single thing & think it might be some sort of Frankenstein watch featuring parts from all over?
On the front it says:
Citizen Automatic
21 Jewels
P-8200 283578-KY
On the back it says:
Citizen Watch Co
4-280717 KT
10301988
GN-4W-S
71-2175
I would appreciate any help you can give, many thanks
Hi Kwan, thanks for visiting my blog. The info you’ve given all looks ok for an 8200 automatic, and the case number (4-280717) is an authentic one. But I’d like to see pics of the watch to be more sure. Can you post a link to images, or shall I email you so you can send them to me?
Stephen
Hello Stephen! What a great blog you have!
I’ve been looking for some information about a watch my grandfather gave me a couple of years ago, but I couldn’t find anything related to it. Maybe you can help me:
Front
CITIZEN QUARTZ
TITANIUM
JAPAN 4710-474705 KA
Back
CITIZEN WATCH CO.
WATER RESIST
BASE TITANIUM TIYP
4710-471717 Y
3040108
GN-4-S
JAPAN (an arrow pointing right) 12
Thanks for any info you can provide me.
Hi Roberto, thanks for visiting my blog and for your kind comment. Apologies for my late reply. I’m araid I can’t help very much since your watch is a quartz model and my collection is focussed on the older mechanical models. I can’t find information on the 4710 movement in yours, so it looks like it wasn’t in production for very long, and I don’t when either. Interesting to see your watch is a titanium and gold plated model, that seems unusual. The serial number suggests to me it was probably made in 1993, but I can’t be sure. ‘GN-4-S’ is the case type code, meaning it’s a water resistant design. The ‘->12’ mark is an indicator of where the back can be prised off, i.e. at the 12 o’clock position. I’m sorry I can’t provide more information. Stephen
Hiii
I am so glad to find your blog about citizen wathes with very deep information. As i also have a beautiful citizen watch gifted by my father. It carries lots of numbers at back, and here are the details : Citizen automatic 21JEWELS , CITIZEN WATCH CO. 4-653441 TA , 60200483 ,GN-4-S , 61-9345 JAPAN BLG, WATER RESISTANT , BASE METAL TOP ,STAINLESS STEEL BACK . I just want to know if it is made of gold becouse one of my friend told me its antique and its machenism is made of gold . Thanks in advance
Hi Adeeb, thanks for visiting my blog. Your watch is an automatic from 1976, with the 6501 movement inside. The case back information tells me that it should have a black case and gold plated bezel. The case is an alloy that has been coated black. The movement will be made mainly of steel, maybe with some brass and /or nickel parts – very few, and only very expensive watch movements will use gold for some parts, whilst some movements may have parts that are gold plated. Although the 6501 movement is a good one, it does not have any gold in it.
Stephen
Hai Stephen I have one citizen watch new master 21jewels darkgrey dial with date in back case 63–1019 citizen 9100164 kindly enlightenment me of year of manufacturing and details regards vinay
Hi Stephen. Here are the details of my inherited watch. I’d be very grateful if you could tell me a little more of its history.
Front: Citizen Crystal Seven Automatic 21 Jewels
Back: Stainless steel GN-I-U 4521021Y WATERPROOF AUTOMATIC
CITIZEN 61-5030 90712585
Also, any help on how to switch date and dat would be much appreciated
Regards
Sebastian
Hi Sebastian, thanks for visiting my blog. The Crystal Seven range was launched in 1965 and was a successful line of automatic watches for Citizen. There were a number of the 52 movements with different jewelling from 21 to 43. If you look down the list on my ‘Featured Watches’ page you’ll find several examples, and there’s a 52 ‘Family Tree’ as well for more info. Your watch, case number 4-521021, was made in July 1969, and is marked waterproof ( rather than parawater) so it was probably an export model. To set the day pull the crown out as far as possible and move the hands forwards until the day changes, then move the hands back and forth between the 8 o’clock mark and just past 12 to set the correct day. Do this in the morning, before midday. Then move the hands to the correct time. Then push the crown in and pull it out one click. Turning the crown in this position should allow you to find the correct date. Hope that all makes sense, Stephen
Hi Stephen
I’ve have an old citizen and watch and I am. Dying to know when it was made the details on the back are as follows…
T4-G04924 TA
9111449
GN-0-S
Thanks greatly
Hi Bryce, thanks for visiting my blog. Yours is a quartz watch of course, which I am not so familiar with, but I am pretty sure it is from the late 1980s. Therefore the first three figures in the serial number – 911 – give a production date of November 1989.
Stephen
Hi Stephen – I have my dad’s citizen watch and would like to know more about it – here is what it says on the back – the watch is gold tone with a mesh style band and a small square white face
2710-159896 SP
SN ? 3060218
89-0324
ASSEMBLED IN FR GERMANY
Thank you
Hi Robert, thanks for visiting my blog, and apologies for the delay in replying. I’m afraid I’m not so familiar with quartz models so I can’t be sure of when it was made. I would think, from the first three figures in the serial number, that it is either from June 1983 or 1993 – sorry I can’t be any more definite . The model number includes the movement reference – 2710 – whilst 89-0324 is the model number. Here’s a link to the relevant technical manual for more information: http://www.thewatchsite.com/files/Citizen%20Technical%20Manuals/2700.pdf
Stephen
Thank you for your reply and help
You’re welcome 🙂
Hi Stephen,
I was not sure where to put this questions. However, what do you know about wooden Citizen boxes like this: https://picasaweb.google.com/108659176157401005670/CitizenCrystalSeven
Regards,
Ciaran Doidge
Hi Ciarán , thanks for visiting my blog, and sorry for my slow reply. I haven’t seen a box like this before – it’s very interesting but I can’t tell you anything about it I’m afraid, except that the Citizen logo looks to be from the 1960s.
Stephen
Hello Stephen,
Such a nice blog! I have a Citizen Quartz watch my father gave me back when I was a kid. I am dying to know some, about its history. The details are as follows…
Citizen Watch Co.
Water Resist
Base Metal YP
1102-S66935 HST
809754
GN-0-S
Japan
Regards,
Sal
Citizen 4-039181
91173599
Gn-4-s
Japan
Automatic watch. I would pike to konw abt its value and its make year
Hi Jinu – thanks for visiting my blog, and apologies for my slow reply. I believe your watch is an 8200 day/date automatic, I think an ‘Eagle 7’ model. The first three figures in the serial number suggest it’s from November 1989. I don’t offer valuations, so you are best searching eBay to see what similar ones sell for.
Stephen
Hi Salar – thanks for visiting my blog and for your kind comment. Unfortunately I do not know too much about quartz watches. Yours has the 1102 movement inside (indicated by the first part of the model number) and when I’ve searched for that it seems quite a recent one. The first two figures in the serial number help to date the watch, and I would guess it’s most likely September 1998 – would that fit with when your father bought it for you? ‘YP’ indicates that it’s a gold tone model of course, and the GN code refers to the water resistant case type. Here’s a link to the relevant technical manual: http://www.thewatchsite.com/files/Citizen%20Technical%20Manuals/1100.pdf
Stephen
hi sweephand
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Any idea about this watch. Someone gave as a gift in early 2000s. Now I was thinking what it’s price might be at that time?
On the back I can see 1032-? written. (? means there is some letter that I can’t figure out)
Hi Stephen,
I’d like to know about my Citizen Quartz Seven!
CITIZEN
BASE METAL Y P
3220-941144 SMW
3058037
BX-5247
Thank you!
Regards
Sandra
Hi Sandra – thanks for visiting my blog. I am not very familiar with quartz watches I’m afraid. Your watch has the 3220 moveemnt and I would think it is from 1993. For more detailed information, here is the relevant technical manual: http://www.thewatchsite.com/files/Citizen%20Technical%20Manuals/3220.pdf
Stephen
I have citizen japan MOVT-1032 R071720-WL
plz give me its details plz please
Hi Zain, thanks for visiting my blog and apologies for my slow reply. I’m afraid I don’t know the more recent quartz models so well, but here is the relevant technical manual for more information: http://www.thewatchsite.com/files/Citizen%20Technical%20Manuals/1030.pdf
Stephen
Hi Stephen,
I have a Citizen Automatic. Model no. 67-5253
PARAWATER
The caseback reads
14-720199-K
00901956
67-5253
The watch belonged to my Grandfather and I have no clue about when was it manufactured and all. I would be needing your help, please tell me the details as I need to get some service done. Fortunately the watch is in a pristine condition.
Hi Adhiraj – thanks for visiting my blog, and apologies for my slow reply. Your watch was made in September 1970, and is a Seven Star V2 model with a 23 jewel 72 movement inside. Can you please tell me what details you are looking for to help with getting it serviced? Stephen
Hi Stephen,
Thanks for replying. I live in India and the Citizen store here asked me for the model name or the watch booklet as they do not have any information regarding this watch. It was bought at Switzerland as far as I know, which is why this problem. The watch has scratches on its body and also the date changes at 2300 hours only. Should I get the body polished and made free of scratches? I am asking because I am worried it will damage the body. Also does the watch need any periodic servicing? It is running perfect in every other sense than the problems I mentioned.
Also can you help me with a Seiko watch of around the same time? The watches are very very dear to me, and I want to be sure they won’t be doctored inappropriately with before getting any servicing done.
The Seiko watch has a beautiful blue dial, that reads 19 jewels. the caseback reads-
Water Resistant
482274
Japan-G
STAINLESS STEEL 7006-8070
You’re welcome Adhiraj – it would be easy for a competent watch maker to adjust when the date change starts and ends. A mechanical watch that is used regularly should be serviced from time to time, I would think every 5 years or so, but I know a lot of watches have run very well for many years without any attention. Yours is not a high beat watch which would need more servicing to keep them running well and to reduce wear. I would suggest that no servicing is better when the watch is running well than having it looked at by someone who is not skilled and well informed about vintage mechanical watches and how they should be serviced and oiled. Movements are often damaged by poor servicing and excessive use of oil.
Heavy polishing, which might be required to remove deeper scratches and nicks, is not recommended since it will inevitably remove the sharper edges of the case. It is possible to bring back some shine by lightly polishing the case, being very careful to retain the edges and not round them off. In some ways the wear on the case is part of the history of the watch so it can be seen as something that adds character and tells its story.
For information, here’s a scan from a 1971 catalogue showing your watch on the original steel bracelet – is this the same as yours? There may have been other colour dials:
Stephen
Hi Adhiraj – I forgot to say in my last reply that I can’t help on the Seiko you have. The Seiko and Citizen Watch Forum is a good place to ask about it, lots of Seiko experts there. Once you sign up and introduce yourself, I’m sure someone will help. Here’s the link: http://www.thewatchsite.com/
Stephen
Hello Stephen,
It is so good to see you reply so diligently, thank you very much. I was about to tell you that my watch does not have the V2 insignia on the dial, whereas all the watches I saw on the internet after reading your reply have it. I am not being able to attach a picture in the comment, please help.
About the Seiko watch, I found the relevant information on the internet. Thank You again.
Hi Adhiraj – you’re welcome, and good to hear you have the info on the Seiko. I’m afraid visitors can’t post pics here – let me know if you want to email you direct so you can send a pic. Stephen
Hi Stephen,
I told you rightly about the caseback, but the dial doesn’t have the V2 insignia on it. kindly ensure if it is the same. It gives a bad impression not knowing the Vitage one wears. Please help.
Thank You
Hi Adhiraj – email sent 🙂
Stephen
Hi Stephen
I inherited a watch from my mother. It originally belonged to her grandfather.
It’s a Citizen Automatic.
On the back it states:
GP
6000
4-600878 TA
49101036
62-8760
I would appreciate any information you could give me.
Many thanks.
Bec
Hi Rebecca, thanks for visiting my blog. Your watch is a gold plated (GP) model with a 6000 date only automatic movement inside. This movement was first made in 1971 and is a good quality automatic, more frequently seen with day and date complication where the movement is designated 6501. It runs at 21,600 beats per hour which is typical of movements from the 1970s and can run accurately and reliably. They were made for only a few years, since most mechanical movements were replaced with the new technology – at that time – of quartz. ‘4-600878’ is the case number, whilst 62-8760 is the model number – these would be used by watchmakers to source parts and technical info when doing a service. ‘49101036’ is the serial number and the first three digits are normally used to give the production date -‘4’ gives the year as 1974 (can’t be any other since these weren’t made in 1964 or in 1984). Can you check that the ‘9’ is correct – since with an eight digit serial number the second digit would be, for example, a ‘0’ with a ‘1’ to give the month of January.
Stephen
Hi Stephen
Thank you for the information.
Just to confirm. It is a 0.
Thanks heaps.
Bec
You’re welcome 🙂
Hi I have a Citizen ladies watch 3220- 944836 smw 5023641 BW-7627 could you possibly tell me the value
Hi Kathleen, thanks for visiting my blog. Unfortunately I don’t try to do valuations, since there are many variables and I wouldn’t want the blog to be swamped with valuation enquiries. In general terms I’m afraid quartz models are not of any great value, unless they are very high end and /or very rare early models.
Stephen
Hi
I have inherited a CITIZEN circular watch and I would like to know its date of manufacture.
On its back is carved,
“CITIZEN WATCH CO.
WATER RESIST
STAINLESS
4-038754 SMT
00648495
71-4917
6N-4W-S”
It has been purchased in 1990.
Also if you can I would like to know its price at that time and now. Please mail me the info.
Thank you.
Hi Prateek, thanks for visiting my blog. From the information you have given, it looks like you have an 8200 automatic. This movement was first made around 1975 or 1976, and was in production for over 30 years. Given the watch was bought in 1990, and it has a 006 at the beginning of the serial number, it could well have been made in June of 1990. If it was bought as a used watch, then it would have been made in 1980. I’m afraid I don’t know how much these were when new, although they were not an expensive watch. I avoid trying to do valuations, but in general terms the price now is not great since many 8200’s were made so they are not rare.
Stephen
The back of my Watch says:
CITIZEN WATCH CO.
WATER RESIST
BASE METAL YP
6930-S86181 H8B
8 0 4 5 0 6
GM- 0 – 8 – 5
Thanks for visiting my blog. I’m afraid yours is a more recent quartz watch so I can’t help with the date I’m afraid. I would guess it’s is probably 1998. Stephen
Hello Stephen,
I inherited my Grammys watch back in 1994. I really don’t know anything about it. It does read
5421ho7537 yo
950060
Japan – > 10
I would really like more information about the watch, and it needs to be repaired one of the pins is moving about the faceplate!
Any help you could give would be appreciated! Thank you!
Hi Tameka – thanks for visiting my blog. I’m afraid I can’t help very much with the more recent quartz models. I can tell you that the movement in yours is a 5421, a small calibre designed for women’s watches. ‘->10’ indicates where the case back can be prised off, i.e. at the 10 o’clock position. The first two figures in the serial number help to determine the production date, so if it was definitely 1994 when you inherited it, then the production date is May 1989. You will need the advice of a watch maker about the loose part and whether it can be fixed. Here is a link to the relevant technical manual:
Click to access 5421.pdf
Stephen
I have a Citizen watch info on back reads 3220-325303 YO
2020042
Can you offer any information on this? It has a small, round face, reads “Citizen Elegance”
Thanks,
Amanda
Hi Amanda, thanks for visiting my blog, and apologies for my slow reply. Your watch is a quartz with the 3220 movement inside, and I’m afraid I don’t know so much about them. For more technical info here’s a link to the relevant manual: http://www.thewatchsite.com/files/Citizen%20Technical%20Manuals/3220.pdf
Stephen
Hi Paul,
Here’s another puzzle for you. I recently got my hands on what looks to me like an old (doubt it’s vintage) citizen automatic. Searched the Internet but I couldn’t find anything relevant.
Numbers on the back read
4-653751K
61-8454
Please do share any information you can about this mystery watch.
Cheers,
Vikram
Hi Vikram, thanks for visiting my blog. You have an automatic from the mid to late 1970s, with the 6501 movement inside. The case number (4-653751) and model number (61-8454) w are indicative of the 6501 date and day movement, but without a serial number it’s not possible to find the exact production date. Does if have a printed dial (i.e. no applied Citizen logo)? If so I think these were less expensive versions probably made late in the production run when many of Citizen’s mechanical models were dropped as quartz technology was the priority. Stephen (who’s Paul? 🙂 )
Hi Stephen,
Thanks very much for the prompt response and the information. Really appreciate it.
The dial does seem to be printed, no embossing or badge. There’s some very small text on the at 6 o’clock ‘Japan 6501 – 659594-y’, does that say much?
Would never have imagined I was buying a watch older than myself when I saw it, so I’m feeling rather kicked about it now. Thanks again, you’ve made my day.
I am surprised I got it for the price I did though. But there was no box or papers and the strap was a nylon replacement. Any chances of it being a fake ? What kind of strap did it originally come with?
Did I thank you already?
I wonder who that Paul guy is thought ? 😉
Hi Vikram – you’re welcome 🙂 It sounds all original – the dial code is correct, it confirms the 6501 movement inside, and on repainted dials this code is usually missing. I’m afraid I don’t know what kind of strap it came on originally, may have been a metal bracelet. I like leather straps so I’d suggest a nice leather one!
Stephen
Hello Stephen,
I am Z, and I would like to know more about my father Citizen watch. I already kept it for few years. I have looking for it image, but doing nothing same and until I found your blog that’s really help many. I wish that you could help. Since the watch I have sent to service, i am not pretty sure what is stated on the front of the watch. On behind,
CITIZEN
WATER RESIST
STAINLESS
4-282060 KT
11005399
71-2931
G-N-4S
There is an image. But I don’t know how to attach.
Thank you so much Stephen.
MR. Z
Hello,i very bad speak english,please help me:CITIZEN WATCH CO
WATER RESIST
BASE METAL YP
4-039823 HST
41154090
GN-4W-S
P-8200- S87662-Y
Thank you
Hi Nikolay – thank you for visiting my blog. Your watch is one of the 8200 automatics, which were made for over 30 years so it can be hard to be precise about the production date. Since yours has an eight figure serial number (41154090] I would think yours is from 1984. Stephen
Hi. I want to know about this watch:
1032-8003032 HS8 (or HSB)
690213
GN-0-8 5
I tried tofind something on internet but i failed.
Hi Julio, thanks for visiting my blog. I’m afraid I don’t know too much about more recent quartz models like yours, which I think has a small movement as used in women’s watches. Citizen have made many thousands of quartz watches once the technology was refined and mass produced, and there is very little information available on them. I think the 1032 movement is a derivative of the 1030 movement, and here’s a technical manual for information: http://www.thewatchsite.com/files/Citizen%20Technical%20Manuals/1030.pdf
I’m afraid I don’t know when this movemnt was made, but I would guess yours is from 1996. Stephen
HI Stephen, I recently got a Citizen Quartz seven from my grandfather, it’s a beautiful piece. Was hoping you could give me some information on it, 4-281802 KT 11201512 AZ-1019
Regards
Jared
Hi Jared, thanks for visiting my blog, and apologies for my slow reply. I’m afraid my knowledge relates mostly to earlier mechanical movements, so I don’t know much about Citizen’s quartz movements. The 1019 movement was used in women’s watches since it is small in size, but may have featured in slimline men’s watches too. I don’t know when these were made I’m afraid, but the earliest it could be is 1981. Here’s the relevant technical manual:
Click to access 1010.pdf
Stephen
Thanks for the reply, I appreciate the info! I’m glad I know a bit more now.
You’re welcome – sorry I could not be more helpful.
Stephen
Hi Stephan,
I recently bought a Citizen JG2070-53E for my dad’s 50th birthday, i knew he has been searching for one for long. I plan to give it to him but i wanted to know more about it, as in its history, when it was made, how many were made of this model … anything you can tell … i would really appreciate it. The markings on that back panel are as below
CITIZEN WATCH CO.
W. R. 5BAR
ST. STEEL
8988-S000386 HST
041153
GN-0-S
=> 12
My humble thanks and regards,
Ashish
Hi Ashish, thanks for visiting my blog, and apologies for my slow reply. I’m afraid I can’t help very much on this model, since it is a recent quartz watch and my knowledge relates to older mainly mechanical pieces. I think your watch may be as recent as 2000. Sorry I can’t help wit more info, but here is the relevant technical manual if you need any help with the functions of the watch: http://www.thewatchsite.com/files/Citizen%20Technical%20Manuals/8980.pdf
Stephen
Hi Stephen,
I inherited a Citizen Newsmaster 22 from my dad. The serials are: 4-020618 SMK, 50604632, and 63-4018. I’d like to now when was this model manufactured and is it of significant value?
Thanks!
– Anthony
Hi Anthony, thanks for visiting my blog and sorry for slow reply. Your Newmaster is from June 1975 (from ‘506’ at the beginning of the serial number). It has an 02 ‘Homer’ hand winding movement inside – these were first made in the early 1960s, but the style of the case number (4-020618) and model number (63-4018) indicate the late 1960s / 1970s. Your model is listed in my 1977 casing parts catalog so I have no doubt about the production date. I avoid attempting to do valuations here, but in general terms I’m afraid these models do not have any great value. The Homer movement is a very good one, but it is not a ‘high end’ one and many were made, so values are not high.
Stephen
Thanks for the feedback Stephen. I understand that this timepiece doesn’t have much of value but I came to think that this was my father’s watch back when he just graduated from college. The idea of using his watch after many decades now is something of high value for me. I really dig vintage watches, especially those passed on to me by my grandpa and my dad, so this timepiece is really something. Thanks again!
Anthony
Hi Anthony – the value of your watch is not monetary, it must be good to wear it like your father did, Stephen
hi i have a square faced watch with a stetchy wristband that has the words condor on. the markings on the back of the watch say…
1400-141407 k
1000484
45-5831
gn-4w-s
not sure if its old or not but would appreciate if you can tell me datails like the date etc. thanks
Hi Gary, thanks for visiting my blog. Although I don’t know the quartz models very well, I know that the 1400 movement was an innovative one because it had an extended battery life of 8 years. Typically batteries lasted just one or two years, so this was quite a dramatic difference. The 1400 was introduced around 1980 I think, so yours looks to be from 1981. Here’s the relevant technical manual for more info: http://www.thewatchsite.com/files/Citizen%20Technical%20Manuals/1400.pdf
Hi Stephen.
I’ve had my grandfathers watch since he died when I was only little, and was given it because I always loved the blueish face it has.
Citizen
21 Jewels
Newmaster
Waterproof
63-1256
00521410
I’d be really interested to know a little about it if you’re able to point me in the right direction.
Thanks,
Perry
Hi Perry, thanks for visiting my blog. Nice to see that you still have your grandfather’s watch. I think this model has a date window, so the movement inside is the 18 which was first produced in 1962. Production continued to about 1975. This movement is the date version of the 02 which is usually referred to as the ‘Homer’ movement since it was typically found in the model of that name. The ‘Newmaster’ name was used with several movements, but most usually with the 18 calibre as in your watch. The first three figures of the serial number (005) give a production date of May 1970. If you search ‘Newmaster’ in the comments on this blog you’ll find more info, and feel free to ask if you have any more questions I can help with.
Stephen
Hi Stephen,
Sorry I never checked in earlier and thank you for your work but I did not think you’d answer my query so soon 🙂
I was hoping to be able to replace the marked glass on my watch and you’ve helped greatly in identifying it so as to maybe make it easier.
I’ve attached a link to a couple of pictures of the watch for the heck of it.
Thanks again,
Perry
You’re welcome Perry – thanks for the link. Good to see the original ‘beads of rice’ too 🙂 Stephen
hello
i recently uncovered my deceased dad’s automatic 21 jewel citizen watch
mom says it may be around 50 years old
i have tried many variations of searches on the case back markings and have not been able to come up with anything useful
please help?
it says:
citizen watch co
4-062736 SMT
9052077 C
GN-4W-S
71-1632
i wish i could have attached pics
Hi Christian, thanks for visiting my blog. Your father’s watch is an automatic with the 8200 movement inside. This movement became Citizen’s base automatic after it was introduced around 1975, and was made for over 30 years. Although not a ‘high-end’ expensive movement, it is a solid and reliable one, and in good condition it can run very accurately. The model number – 71-1632 – is typical of the 8200 automatics, as is the case number -4-062736. GN-4W-S is the case type code, indicating a water resistant type. Usually the 8200 has both day and date, but some just have the date and the movement designation is then 8210. Because of the long production run, it can be difficult to date these – if yours has an eagle motif on the dial it is most probably from 1989, but if it’s a plain dial then it will be from 1979. See more info on the 8200 automatics is here: https://sweep-hand.org/2013/01/27/the-8200-movement-citizens-standard-auto/
Stephen
Hi, I am cibi,my watch is citizen automatic 21 jewels made in japan and something is present whether it is a serial number or not i dont know GN-4W-S, 11201533, 4-039149K. Please say the full details of my watch
Hi Cibi, thanks for visiting my blog. Your watch has the 8200 auto movement. These were first produced around 1976, and were in production for over 30 years. It is a reliable movement and in good condition can run very accurately. ‘GN-4W-S’ is the case type code, indicating that it is a water resistant type. ‘4-039149’ is the case number, useful for watchmakers when doing a service or repair if parts are needed. ‘11201533’ is the serial number and the first three figures are used to date the watch, so it was made in December of either 1981 or 1991. Does it have an eagle motif on the dial? If so it is one of the Eagle 7 models.
Stephen
Hi there,
i have acquired my great grandfathers watch during a garage clean out. im am interested in seeing what the model is for as i am looking to have it restored to wear myself. im am unsure about the age of the watch or when it was made.
Front Face reads (Squarish Face)
Citizen Quartz
Date entry
CQ logo
p-6100-s27171 sms
back plate reads
Citizen Watch co.
Water resist
stainless
6100-s06452smk
90100476
gn-4-s
regards
Ben
Hi Ben, thanks for visiting my blog. I’m afraid I don’t know the quartz models too well, except for the very early ones. Your example has the 6100 movement inside – I would think from the case back information that it was made in 1989. It couldn’t be earlier than that since the 6100 movement wasn’t made in 1979. For mode technical information here’s the relevant manual: http://www.thewatchsite.com/files/Citizen%20Technical%20Manuals/6100.pdf
Stephen
Hi Stephen!
I am amazed by your knowledge of Citizen watches! I have been hanging onto one I found a while back and now looking to sell but I know little about it. The face is black and square with flat corners it reads Citizen Automatic, 21 Jewels. The back reads Citizen Watch Co
water resistant
Stainless
4-039254 HSE
580178
Japan
Thank you!
Ashley
Hi Ashley – thanks for visiting my blog, and for your kind comment. You have an automatic with the 8200 movement inside. This movement was made for over 30 years, so dating it can be difficult. The first figure in the serial number gives us the year of production, but we need to know the decade it was made in. The 8200 was first sold around 1976, so we can discount 1975. The six figure serial number suggests a later production date, since the earlier ones had 8 figure numbers. So yours is either 1985 or 1995, but I’m afraid I can’t be sure which. More info on the 8200 movement is here: https://sweep-hand.org/2013/01/27/the-8200-movement-citizens-standard-auto/
Stephen
I have inherited this watch and would like to know if there is any interesting info regards it. I don’t know if its the right place to post but I’ve heard that ADEC part of CITIZEN. Link to watch image: https://postimg.org/image/eiohfp805/
Hi Luke, thanks for visiting my blog. Although I know ADEC is a Citizen sub-brand I’m afraid I don’t know much about them. My knowledge is about the earlier, mainly mechanical watches rather than the later quartz models. I’m sorry I can’t be of more help. Stephen
I have an oblong Citizen watch 6031-K00390 CK, serial 90406626 can you identify it please
Hi Andy, thanks for visiting my blog. I’m afraid I am not so familiar with the quartz models, but having had a few questions asked about the 6031 models (as yours is), I think they were made in the late 1980s / early 1990s. So, from the first three figures in the serial number, although I can’t be certain, I would think yours is from April 1989. Here’s a link to the relevant technical manual: http://www.watchuseek.com/archive/seikocitizen/Citizen_Technical_Manuals/6031.pdf
Stephen
Wow, I think you’re the man I need to talk to! I have my Grandpa’s old Citizen watch and I’d love to know more about it. The back says:
CITIZEN
BASE METAL YP
2030-891988SMW
5014605
31-8888
Thanks so much!
Hi Kyle, thanks for visiting my blog. I’m afraid I can’t help with quartz models as much I can with older mechanical models, especially over the age of them. What the information on the back tells us is that it is a gold tone model (‘YP’ = Yellow Plate), and the case number 2030-891988 indicates that it uses the 2030 movement. 31-8888 is the model number, but that doesn’t tell us very much these days without reference material such as sales catalogs. 5014605 is the serial number and this can help to date the watch. The first three figures give the year and month – the latter is January, but to get the year we need to know the decade it was made in. I know it can’t be 1975 since I have reference material about the very earliest quartz models which first appeared at that time and the 2030 is definitely not one of those. So it could be 1985, but I can’t be sure I’m afraid. If you remember your Grandpa wearing it prior to 1995, then 1985 it is! 🙂
Here’s the relevant technical manual about the 2030 movement for information: http://www.thewatchsite.com/files/Citizen%20Technical%20Manuals/2030.pdf
Stephen
My dad left me a gold citizen quarts gold watch roughly what would be worth. Base metal yp 6170R01291 RC. 1090569. Gn-0-5-5
Hi Rob, thanks for visiting my blog. I’m sorry but I avoid attempting any valuations – in general terms I’m afraid used quartz watches are of low value, unless the case is solid gold, or it is a very early one, or it is very high end movement (e.g. accuracy to within 5 seconds per year). Stephen
Hi Stephen, I have a vintage Citizen with the number 5055976 on the back. Can you tell me anything about the date of manufacture? style of watch that I have? I have had no luck searching it out myself.. thanks so much for your time.
Hi Joey, thanks for visiting my blog. I need more info about your watch to help. The serial number you have given can only help once we have an idea what decade the watch was made in. Can you tell me what else is on the case back, and what is on the dial too. Thanks, Stephen
Thanks Stephen, The back of the case has Citizen in capital letters inside a parallelogram. In a circle around the edge it says “Stainless steel back | water protected | shock proof | … and also “anti-magnetic” & “unbreakable spring” inside the inner circle. Front has Citizen in funky retro style, with 17 jewels written underneath. “Water protected / Unbreakable spring/ shockproof ” written in caps & stacked at bottom of the face. Face is light shimmery gold – curved like a “shield” type of shape. Hands are gold coloured and also the hour marks. Case is gold colour. Hope this is better info for you! Can send a photo if needed. Just let me know how. Thanks again.
Hi Joey, thanks for the info, that’s a great help 🙂 This is an export version (i.e. not for the Japanese domestic market) since it is marked ‘waterproof’ rather than ‘parawater’. The other marks also support that. For information ‘unbreakable spring’ is a good indicator of a genuine watch – sometimes re-dials are done but marked mistakenly with ‘unbreakable mainspring’. I reckon your watch most likely uses the 02 ‘Homer’ movement, which was first produced in 1960, and continued through to the early 1980s. The first figure of the serial number – 5 – gives the year, the next two, the month. So, when was yours made? ……. well, it can’t be earlier than 1960, so 1955 is out. And ‘waterproof’ was not used after 1972/3, when ‘water resistant’ had to be used. Which leaves us with May 1965 🙂
Stephen
WOW Stephen you are a master of info. Thank you so much for your help!
You’re welcome 🙂
Hi..I want to know more about my grandpa watch.. Citizen automatic 21 jewels., no series :500079 GN-4W-s.. Tqvm
Hi Shariful, thanks for visiting my blog. Just to help identify the watch as accurately as possible, could you please describe what is on the dial and any other markings on the back. Thank you, Stephen
Thanks Stephen, The back of the case has Citizen in capital letters,watch co, water resist,base St.steel,4-s81527 HSM,500079,Gn-4w-s,Front has Citizen automatic in funky retro style, with 21 jewels written underneath,have logo like eagle bird at the middle got no.7.Hands are gold coloured and also the hour marks,date n day, Case is gold colour. Hope this is better info for you! . Thanks again
Hi Shariful, thanks for the info. The watch is an ‘Eagle 7’ automatic which uses the 8200 movement. This was first made around 1976, and was used for over 30 years, so dating them is hard. The style of the case number (4-s81527) is a later type since it includes a letter rather than being all numbers, and the 6 figure serial number (500079) also indicates a later one. So I would think it is from 1995. You can find more info on the 8200 movement by searching the comments here, and this post: https://sweep-hand.org/2013/01/27/the-8200-movement-citizens-standard-auto/
Stephen
I would be glad if i could get more infromation about this watch :
CITIZEN
watch co.
4-821114 TA
71102067
GN-4-S
51-1463
JAPAN
GP
It has a “golden look”. Citizen automatic 21 yewels and i think its old cuz my grandpa had it.
Best regards hoping for a fast answer 🙂
Hi John, thanks for visiting my blog. Your watch is an automatic with the 8200 movement inside. This movement was first made around 1976 and was in production for over 30 years. It proved to be a reliable movement capable of decent accuracy. You can find more info by searching the blog / comments using ‘8200’ and ‘Citizen’s standard auto ‘. 4-821114 is the case number which helps identify the movement. 51-1463 is the model number which is less helpful these days. GN-4-S is the case type, indicating a water resistant design, with a screw on back. Because it had a long production run, pinning the production date down can be tricky. Does the dial have an applied eagle motif wth 7 at the centre? If so it is one of the Eagle 7 range of watches launched in the 1980s, so it will be from 1987. If not I need to check my reference material which I haven’t access to at the moment, but I will have in a couple of days. Stephen
Hi
I really keep looking for my watch i can not find any details or pic. About it …it is citizen promaster . I did buy 2010 .. can you help.
Hi thanks for visiting my blog, but I am sorry that I don’t have reference material on the Promasters since they are recent models. Stephen
Hi Stephen,
I just got a nice Citizen hand winder and wanted to know a little more about it and I found your blog and marveled at it. The watch is in great condition and the time keeping is excellent. If you have a few minutes and a little information about it, I’ll be delighted!
(thanks to your table I already know it was the 4090th item of its kind produced in September something-seven)
The back of the case has:
CITIZEN
E52903
7094090
in a circle around the edge showing: ALL STAINLESS STEEL | WATER DUST PROTECTED | SHOCK PROOF |
The front has, above the axis of the hands:
CITIZEN
17 JEWELS
and below the axis:
WATER PROTECTED
UNBREAKABLE SPRING
SHOCK PROOF
and at the very bottom:
JAPAN MADE
Of course I can send a photo if you want, just let me know how.
Thank you very much, Stephen!
jean luc, Paris, France.
Bonjouor Jean Luc, I would like to see a picture of your watch, since mine has the same markings on the dial and the caseback. The post/question about my watch is still pending Stephen’s approval I’m afraid!
Hi, thanks for visiting my blog. I’m just doing replies to approved comments at the moment, including Jean Luc’s. However, I can’t see your comment awaiting approval 😦 I don’t think I’ve missed any, When did you post it? Stephen
I fear my messages get swallowed by the system because I’m linking to uploaded images. Did it get through this time? If not, could you be so kind as to send me an e-mail.
I don’t see anything with links, so I’ll send an email. Stephen
Hi Jean Luc, thanks for visiting my blog, and for your kind comments 🙂 What you have is a hand winding export model using the 02 ‘Homer’ movement. Export models typically don’t have model names on the dial, and are marked ‘water protected’ or ‘waterproof’ rather than ‘parawater’. And the unusual model number – E52903 – is also not seen in watches made for the Japanese domestic market. The other marks are also consistent with an export piece, and ‘unbreakable spring’ helps assure that it is not a re-dial or fake, where ‘unbreakable mainspring’ is sometimes mistakenly used. I have a watch marked in the same way, but it is smaller and uses a different movement (1910):
Although used in ‘entry level’ watches the Homer (02) movement is a reliable and accurate movement, and was in production for about 20 years. More information here:
A 21 jewel second setting version was issued to staff working for the Japanese Railways, so they are of a decent quality:
Since it was first produced in 1960 the production date cannot be 1957 – and ‘water resistant’ had to be used from around 1972/3 at the latest. So, the production date must be September 1967.
Stephen
Stephen, I am very happy to know a little (a lot, actually!) more about the watch now, thank you VERY much!
jean luc
You’re welcome 🙂
can you help me understand how old my grandfather’s watch is?
Gold citizen quartz.
back number reads 8050467
Hi thanks for visiting my blog – I’m not sure how much I can help since it is a quartz watch, but please let me know what else is marked on the case back and the dial. Thanks, Stephen
Can you help me how old is it
Citizen watch co
Base metal top stainless steel back 4-105575 YO
1080007
49-5646 japan gp
Thanks for visiting my blog. Your watch has the 1100 quartz movement, which is more recent than the pre-1980 period I am most familiar with. I would think your watch is from 1991, but I can’t be sure I’m afraid.
Stephen
Hi,
I just received a citizen watch from my mother that used to be hers It is damaged and I want to fix, but I would first like to know how to read the information regarding the watch to get a better idea of how much it would cost me. Any help is appreciated. Thank you in advance
The information is as follows:
Citizen Watch co.
water resist
base metal
1032-B09401M
620243
GN-0-S-10
Hello.
I’ve inherited a citizen watch from my mother in-law and only references I see is
Front: yellow backdrop, Citizen|Quartz and what seems to be the word Seven I think
Back: Base metal YP | 203-041941smw | 3029957 | bx-4062
I’ve googled all the elements in separate and together but to no avail. Any info you can give on this watch?
Thank you
Hi, thanks for visiting my blog. I think your watch has a 2030 movement inside, which is a thin design suitable for a woman’s watch. As far as I know these were made around 1990, so it looks to be from February 1993 (from first three figures in the serial number). Normally the model number would show 2030, rather than just 203, but there was no movement designated as 203. Here’s the relevant technical manual: http://www.thewatchsite.com/files/Citizen%20Technical%20Manuals/2031.pdf
Stephen
Hello,
I purchased a Citizen Automatic and here are the numbers:
4-063228 SMI
10801 87
GN-4W-S
71-229
Can you help tell me what year it was made and any other details about the watch?
Thanks
Hi Brian, thanks for visiting my blog. Your watch has the 8200 movement, which was first produced around 1975/6. This movement has been used and developed ever since, so it can be difficult to date these models. The model number (71-229x – it should have a sixth figure) and the case number (4-063228) suggest that it isn’t one of the later models, so I would think it is from August 1981. Does it have an eagle motif on the dial? If so it is one of the eagle 7 line which was introduced in the early 1980s. This post on my blog gives a bit more info on the 8200 movement: https://sweep-hand.org/2013/01/27/the-8200-movement-citizens-standard-auto/
Stephen
Thank you for your quick reply. The model number is 71-2299. The dial has Citizen automatic at the top and 21 Jewels instead of an eagle motif near the bottom. Japan Made is printed across the bottom. Thanks again for all your help.
You’re welcome Brian. ‘Japan Made’ on the dial suggests that this has had a re-dial, or the dial has been re-painted, since it is not used on original 8200 dials. Typically these come out of India where worn out dials are replaced whilst the case and case backs remain original.
Stephen
Hi this is Gulam , any idea about CITIZEN V2 242 Day only display
Hi Gulam – thanks for visiting my blog. I’ve looked at two or three of these on the internet, and although unusual, I think it is a genuine model. I’ve seen two case back designs, one with an eagle motif and the other with a more typical type. These are more informative since they have case numbers like 4-18xxxx and 63-xxxx model numbers. I’ve also seen a movement pic, which confirmed that these have the Homer date movements – 1810 – with 17 jewels. They also had date marks, i.e. 73 and 74, rather than serial numbers, so they are early 1970s watches, which fits with the movement used and simple, printed dials. I also saw that the 4-18xxxx case numbers were followed by the letters ‘HM’. If my theory is correct (that letters in this position relate to the factory where they were made), these were produced at the HMT company (Hindustan Machine Tools) in India. This seems entirely likely since Citizen licensed production to HMT in the late 1960s and they used the Homer movements for many years, and some others too. Early HMT watches were marked HMT/Citizen, before the Citizen logo was dropped and only HMT was used. Here’s an example from my collection of an early model with the 02 Homer movement:
Stephen
Hi,
I just received a citizen watch from my father which belong to my late grandfather and i want to know more about the watch like in what year it was made . Any help is appreciated. Thank you in advance
The information is as follows:
Citizen Watch co.
water resist
base metal
1032-R32498RC
110395
GN-0-S-4
Hi there, and thanks for visiting my blog. I’m afraid I don’t know too much about more recent quartz models like yours, which I think has a small movement as used in women’s watches. Citizen have made many thousands of quartz watches once the technology was refined and mass produced, and there is very little information available on them. I think the 1032 movement is a derivative of the 1030 movement, and here’s a technical manual for information:
I’m afraid I don’t know when this movemnt was made, but I would guess yours is from 1991 (from first figure in the serial number). The six figure serial number and the style of the model number (1032-R32498) are typical of that time. Stephen
Hi Stephen ,
Thank you for the reply . It help me , actually i want to do a research about this watch for my heritage class assignment . So thanks a lot for replying . 🙂
You’re welcome, and I hope you get a good mark for your assignment 🙂 Stephen
Dear Stephen,
I am trying to find out the date of manufacture of my father’s Citizen watch. The details are
citizen watch co
4-280695 KT
00400723
71-2116
Thank you
Ashok
April 1980 – gotta
Hi Ashok, thanks for visiting my blog – and you have correctly answered your own question 🙂 The watch is an 8200 automatic I believe. Does it have an Eagle motif on the dial? If so it is one of the Eagle 7 range of watches, introduced in the early 1980s. Stephen
hey could you please give me some information on citizen watch my father has on his collection. try looking it up but had no luck ..
the back plate says :
CITIZEN
BASEMETAL YP
2030-948815 SNM
2111675
31-6628
one the movement ( bight be incorrect as its a bit hard to read ) :
2030A
TWO2 JEWELS
UNADJUSTED
CITIZEN
WATCH CO.
JAPAN
and the face is hexagonal in shape with a black boarder around the dial and three diamonds/studs , two on top and one on the bottom. it says CITIZRN QUARTZ on the top and a number at the very bottom ‘ 2030-940811 SMS’
the watch is gold and the dial is tan.
Thanks for your help
Hi Daniel, thanks for visiting my blog. I am not so familiar with the quartz models since my collection and reference material are mainly concerned with mechanical watches up to the mid to late 1970s. The case back markings tell us that your watch has a 2030 movement inside – this was not one of the early quartz models, so I think, from the first three figures in the serial number (2111675) that it is from November 1992. I’m sorry I can’t be of more help. For your information here is the relevant technical manual: http://thewatchsite.com/files/Citizen%20Technical%20Manuals/2030.pdf
Stephen
Hi Stephen,
I picked up a Citizen watch from a jeweler, it has the following serials:
Caseback: 4-R10028 RC, 8D0083, GN-4-S
On dial: N-6651-S88103-KA
It’s actually a ladies’ Eagle 7, I was wondering when was this released?
Thanks in advance,
Anthony
Hi Anthony, thanks for visiting my blog. Although the Eagle 7 models were introduced in the early 1980s, the case back markings on yours are of a later style (e.g. six figure serial number with letter for month of production – D and a case number with letter rather than all numbers – R). Also, the movement is a 6651 (from the dial code) which I understand was the last women’s automatic movement Citizen made. So I think this is from December 1998. Here’s a bit more info on the movement: http://17jewels.info/movements-en/movements-c-en/movements-c-citizen-en/454-citizen-6651a.html
Stephen
Hi there,
I have a citizen watch that I picked up in Germany about 15 years ago, second hand. The automatic movement stopped working properly about 8 years ago; it stops ticking pretty quickly after I stop moving when wearing it. If I shake it, it begins ticking again, and the crown winding works too. 1: I would be interested to know some history on the watch. 2: I would like to know, is there anything I can do to refurbish it and make it work again?
Dial: Shows day and date
Eagle 7 logo, 21 jewels
N-8200-R12052-Y
Caseback:
Citizen Watch Co.
Water Resist
Stainless
4-R02149 RC
261065
GN-4W-s
Also, when I take the case back off, the rotor turns very slowly when I rotate the watch.
Hi Lars – I didn’t realise you had posted a second comment, sorry. The slow rotation may indicate the need for a thorough cleaning and service – it may be that old and dried up oil is gumming up the works. Stephen
Hi Lars, thanks for visiting my blog. I would think your watch is from 1992, since it has the later style of case back markings. The 8200 was first made around 1976, and remained on production for over 30 years, with the Eagle 7 range being introduced in the early 1980s. It is a reliable movement and can be very accurate. When fully wound, the movement should run for 40 hours or so – does this happened if you wind it fully by hand? If so, then there must be a problem withe auto winding mechanism. If it stops after just a few hours then it may be that it simply needs a service if it seems to work correctly otherwise. I’m not a watchmaker so I can’t advise in any more detail – I have read though that the 8200 is not that easy to work on, so you would need the advice of a watchmaker who is competent with mechanical movements. Here’s a bit more info on the movement:
Stephen
Hi stephen,
I’ve just found out that my Eagle 7 8200 movement has a manual wind feature, I’m still not sure though. Can you confirm this? If this seem to be the case can I just manual wind it everytime I use the watch?
Anthony
Hi Anthony, yes the 8200 can be hand wound. The instructions for it suggest some winds to get it going then the auto wind will wind it fully and keep it running. Stephen
Probably best just to wind enough to get it running, then let the auto mechanism take over. Btw there isn’t a resistance point on autos so you wouldn’t feel that.
Hello,
While cleaning out the attic I came across a citizen quartz gold ladies wrist watch. Curious as to when it was made. So I have an idea who it belonged to. Numbers on back n of watch are 6000-R00421 RC
Hi Jeff, thanks for visiting my blog. The model number you’ve provided shows that the movement in the watch is a 6000 quartz one. These were produced around 1990. Is there another number on the case back, maybe a six figure one?
Stephen
hi! can you help me know about my watch? here’s what i got from the back steel – citizen watch co water resist base metal yp 4530 593232M 050903 JAPAN.
thanks!
Hi Janice, thanks for visiting my blog – I’m afraid I can’t help much since yours is a quartz watch and is much more recent than the mechanical watches I collect. I would guess yours is from 1990, and uses a 4530 movement. This may be similar to the 4520 described here: http://www.thewatchsite.com/files/Citizen%20Technical%20Manuals/4520.pdf
Stephen
could please let me have the details of my citizen quartz watch.
Citizen Watch Co
Base Metal YP
6110-R00898RK
0120315
-> 12
Thank You Very Much.
Hi, thanks for visiting my blog and sorry for slow reply. I’m not an expert on quartz models, but I would guess yours was made in 1990. The ‘->12’ mark means this is where the case back can be prised off, i.e. at the 12 o’clock position. The model number tells us that there is a 6110 movement inside. Here is the relevant technical manual: http://www.thewatchsite.com/files/Citizen%20Technical%20Manuals/6110.pdf
Stephen
I have inherited a citizen watch from my grandmother. Can you please give me some information and its worth.
citizen watch co
water resist
stainless
4-664086 Y
60401404
japan
thankyou
Hi Hafsa, thanks for visiting my blog. Your watch has the 6601 movement inside, which is from the mid 1970s. These are very nice automatic movements, which I think are high beat, running at 28,800 beats per hour. The serial number tells us yours was made in April 1976 (‘604’). I don’t try do valuations, but in general terms ladies watches are not collected very much, and don’t have great value. Stephen
Thanks for all the information. Stay blessed
You’re welcome, Hafsa 🙂
Happy Easter Stephen!
I’m looking to source some spares for my long deceased grandfathers Citizen which I wore as a young man. Unfortunately the acylic crystal has cracks and damage from solvent, the dial appears to have some corrosion and lume seems to have crumbled away, there’s some loose crumb inside possibly a jewel and some of the date numbers are faded away. However the movement works but sticks frequently I assume due to too much material inside the mechanism (or the broken away jewel?).
Obviously I may need a donor to fix all of these issues, but if there is a new crystal available it may be possible to just replace that and refurb movement, dial and relume. I think it’s worth trying to keep the watch as original as possible.
So here are the details on the back:
6000
4-600363TA
50110146
62-6716
Any other information that you can provide on the watch would be greatly appreciated. I’d be happy to send pictures if you need any.
Many thanks!
Hi Brent, thanks for visiting my blog, and for your good wishes. Good to see you still have your grandfather’s watch. The original part number for the crystal is 54-03961 – original parts for vintage Citizens are very hard to find, but Sternkreuz make a replacement for it. Cousins in the UK can supply it I think, but Flume.de also do it and they are in your part of the world. You may need to find a watchmaker who has an account with them, since I think they only supply to businesses. You should be able to find a donor – try searching ‘citizen 6000 automatik’ in eBay.de and something may pop up….
The watch is a date only version of the 6000 movement, so it is a 6001 (day and date would be 6501). These were first produced in 1971, so yours is from January of 1975. It’s a good quality movement, running at 21,600 beats per hour which had become the typical rate at that time. They are capable of accurate timekeeping, and were used in one of Citizen’s iconic 150m divers, the 62-6198.
Hope this helps, and I wish you success in getting the watch up and running 🙂
Stephen
Thanks for the help! With your tips I’ve just found a possible donor to compare/fix/replace the movement and I’ll be making some calls tomorrow to try to get a new crystal. I’ve also ordered a tool to help me open the case so I can get the (red) crumb out and push out the old acrylic crystal.
It seems I put the watch in a Tissot box which I recently discovered when looking for something completely different – it’s been nearly 20 years since I last wore it!
Once the case is open and the crown and stem removed, will the movement drop out? How do you remove the hands safely? Would a homemade tool made from stiff card work to get underneath them and pull them up? Or is this a job for a professional?
Thanks again, and keep up the good work on the blog, it’s very much appreciated.
Hi Brent, sorry for my late response – I somehow missed your comment. I’m away from PC at the moment so will get a detailed reply done later. Stephen
Hi Brent – good to see you have found a possible donor 🙂 Since the watch has not been used for a long time, and the case may never have been opened, you may find the back is very tight. Whenever a back is removed, especially if it’s tight, then it needs to be held very tightly to avoid the tool slipping and scratching or gouging it. It’s very difficult to avoid damage if you hold the case in one hand and use the case opener in the other hand. If you haven’t got a case holder you’ll have to improvise – I’ve used a bench vice with wooden jaws in the past. To remove the crown & stem, the crown should be pulled out fully, to the time a setting position. When the back is off, you’ll see a small button which needs to be gently pressed to release the stem. I was planning to post a pic of this on the 6000 movement but Photobucket is off line at the moment. You may have found info on this already, since there are helpful posts and videos to be found on the internet on this topic.
The movement may just drop out, or there may be retaining screws which need to be removed first. There are usually three and are easy to spot since they are around the edges of the movement and are larger than other screws on the movement.
Hands removal is fairly easy to do, but if you are not confident I would suggest you find an experienced watchmaker to do it – I would recommend that at least you get the right tools, they are essential really to minimise the risk of damage. If you want to give it a go and have got the tools, when removing the hands, it’s best to have movement secure in a movement holder or maybe an improvised alternative so both your hands are free. The dial should be protected by a thin film of something suitable whilst the hands are prised gently off. I use two very fine watchmaker’s screwdrivers to gently lift off the hands, one at a time, being careful not to damage them. There are special hand removing tools available – I’m not sure card would do it, since you should lift each hand off separately to avoid damage and avoid them flying off, never to be seen again! This is something you need to be aware of – a hand can shoot off somewhere and can be very difficult to find. You need a clear well lit work space, and a steady, gentle hand 🙂 After this, the hands have to replaced and this needs a proper tool to press them gently into place, get them level and mounted correctly. The hour and minute hands need to be positioned correctly to ensure the day and date change at the right time, bearing in mind that the changeover at midnight is not instant on this movement. The case back gasket is likely to be dry and may even be damaged and should be replaced if so. If it’s ok a little silicon grease (not liquid or a spray) should be used to keep it in good condition
If you are going to do it yourself, then I would strongly advise that you practice the procedure on the donor watch, and only go ahead if you are comfortable with it all. Especially if you are going to do a straight movement swap rather than repair, then you may find it isn’t too expensive a job to ask a watchmaker to do, especially when you factor in the cost of tools which you may buy just for this job. If you go to a watchmaker make sure he/she is the real deal, not someone who replaces watch batteries or fits a new strap!
Hope this helps! Stephen
I now have a nicely working watch! I’m still waiting for the new crystal to arrive but I think that job will be passed to a professonal to avoid damaging it.
Here it is with the donor on the right:
Hi Brent, thanks for the update. It will look good with the new crystal. Sorry for my late reply. Stephen
And here it is getting some wrist time:
It looks great and it’s keeping very good time. Thanks for all of your help!
Sweephand Hello, my friend gave me a Citizen watch, but I can not find information on its value and year of manufacture. can you help me? on the back is written:
CITIZEN
WATCH CO.
4-164211SMT
70666411
72-0038
JAPAN SSWG
This is a photograph:
Hi Pasquale, thanks for visiting my blog, and thanks for the link to the pic of your watch. Your watch is an early 8200 model, with the 8210 date only automatic movement. The 8200 movement, most usually seen with day and date, was launched around 1976, and was in production for over 30 years. It is often seen with an Eagle 7 logo on the dial, but the earlier ones don’t have that. The serial number of yours gives a production date of June 1977, and I have a reference to it in my 1977 case parts catalog, so it is certainly an authentic model. Unfortunately, the 8200 family of watches don’t have great value, not least because so many were produced over the years. I don’t try to give valuations, partly since there are many variables which influence value. You can get some idea by searching eBay for similar watches, being careful to compare condition as well as the model type and age.
Stephen
Hello… I have a citizen watch my grandmother gave me and I have been trying to figure out how old it was
On the back is written:
CITIZEN
86-1154
503238
4150171FM
WGP
Hi Sonia, sorry for the delay in replying, but not got access to my PC at the moment. I should be able to respond in a couple of days. Stephen
Hi Sonia – now got access to my reference material again, and I believe your watch is from 1975. The model number (86-1154) and the case number (4-150171) show that your watch is a hand winder with Citizen’s 015 movement. This was produced in the mid-1970s. The first figure in the serial number (503238) tells us it is 1975. Stephen
We have recently acquired a Citizen Quartz mens watch number on case is 61016681
also 38-4488 – 5 also 4031S01264 smw have tried multiple sites to find a date of manufacture and value any help would be appreciated
Hey I have a Noblia watch which on the back it says: CITIZEN base metal blue Ip 2828-Y51455 SA 7040196 0Z800 waterresistant
It is all in order
Hi Christian, thnaks for visiting my blog and apologies for my late reply. The Noblia range was produced later than the time frame I look at, which is up to 1980 or so. As far as I know the Noblia watches are good quality quartz pieces which were first produced in the mid to late 1980s I think. The serial number on yours (7040196) tells us that it was made in April 1987. The calibre number is 2828, which is the first part of the model number on your case back.
Stephen
Hello,
I’m have Citizen automatic for the past 15 years. I couldn’t find any information about it. It has a unique trapezoidal-domed crystal. The dial fonts are like retro computer fonts.
The following are numbers on the watch
8200-S99041Y
GN-4S-W
4-S81888 HST
935871
I’m hoping to find out what year this is made. Thanks.
Hi and thanks for visiting my blog. You have probably already read that it is hard to pin down the production dates of the 8200 auto watches, since they were produced for over 30 years following their introduction around 1976. One clue as to whether a watch is an early or later one, is the style of the case back markings. The marks on your case back are of the later style, as follows:- early model numbers were six figure numerical ones, e.g. 71-1234, whilst yours has the movement number incorporated, and includes the letter S (8200-S99041). The case number of early models do not include a letter and would be numerical only, e.g 4-123456. And finally the serial numbers of early models would contain 7 or 8 figures, not six as in yours – 935871. So, I think yours is probably from 1999.
Stephen
Thank you very much for them reply. It’s very informative.
You’re welcome 🙂
Hi, I have a ladies 9Ct gold watch with gate bracelet. It has the markings Japan 5420-F45348 KA on the face. Can you tell me how old it is and does it have any value. Thanks. Geri
Hi Geri, thanks for visiting my blog and apologies for my slow reply. Your watch is a relatively recent quartz model so unfortunately I don’t have the relevant reference material to advise on date of production. Here’s the technical manual for the 5420 movement it has inside: http://www.thewatchsite.com/files/Citizen%20Technical%20Manuals/5420.pdf I’m afraid generally speaking quartz watches don’t have much value on the second hand market – if you search eBay for ‘Citizen 5420’ you may find examples to compare. Stephen
Hi,
I’ve got a watch that looks like this watch : http://martinzx.com/citizen-6100-dress-watch/
but with only the date and not day+date . The back says :
Base metal YP
3811-450795 K
41201144
35-9289
JAPAN
Do you know what model this is and how old it is ?
Hi Geir, thanks for visiting my blog. This model doesn’t have a specific name, so the model number is 35-9289. The case number (3811-450795) is more useful since 3811 tells us that this is the calibre used for this model. Here is the technical manual for thhe 38xx calibre: http://www.thewatchsite.com/files/Citizen%20Technical%20Manuals/3800.pdf This manual shows day and date, so I guess that the 3811 is the date only. From the serial number (41201144) I would think the watch is from 1984. Stephen
Hi,
looking to find some information on a watch i found in a shed. the writing on the back is as below
3811-944551 SMI
5100807
AY-4055
on the front it is marked as a CITIZEN QUARTZ Seven with a few words round the side as below
MOV’T JAPAN DIAL TAIWAN P-3811 6- 055788Z BMO
hoping you can shed some light.
I want to no when this watch was made 8980-084900. 4071437. 30-5040. GN-4-3 japan
Hi thanks for visiting my blog, and apologies for my slow reply. Your watch is an ‘ana-digi’ model, with the 8980 movement. This movement was first made in 1978, so yours is from July 1984 (from the first three figures in the serial number – 407). Stephen
Hi,
Could you please help me data my Citizen Hi-line? I am interested in any other info you can give me about the model as well!! Thanks,
Ciaran.
See photos: https://photos.google.com/album/AF1QipP-rAubgg0vkMpjnOD2-tTsG7arxTn6QwPZl3fE
Sorry try this link: https://goo.gl/photos/RetxC9CsqdTdb8Hy5
Hi Ciarán, thanks for visiting my blog. The Hi-Line models were first produced in 1961, and none was made after 1970 so we know your example can only be from the 1960s. The first three figures of the serial number (404) which means it was made in April 1964. Stephen
Hi Stephen, thank you for your help. Do you know what movement is in it? The crown does not turn so I might need to go find some spare parts.
You’re welcome 🙂 The Hi-Line movement is the 0500 – I’m afraid parts are very hard to come by, so the most likely source is a donor watch. However, Hi-Lines are difficult to find anyway, so it’s not an easy thing to resolve. Best place to find one is on Yahoo Japan, but it may not be cheap. Otherwise, have a good watchmaker nearby who could take a quick look to see if a thorough clean and service would sort it out? Stephen
Hi Stephen, I took it apart today and it looks like the click spring is missing from the movement so when ts wound the main spring just unwinds. Do you happen to know if this part can be replaced with a generic spring?
Hi Ciarán, here is a schematic of the 0500 movement showing part numbers. The click spring if I’m identifying the right bit (I’m not a watch techie!) is part number 902-01, and the clicker itself is part number 060:
From the parts list, the full clicker part number is 060-02:
I’ve had a look through the parts catalogue I have and found that these two parts are shared by only two movements – the Hi-Line and one variant of the two Deluxe movements. I’ve had a quick search of Yahoo Japan and not found anything listed for these parts. If you have the clicker and it’s just the spring that’s missing, maybe a spring could be shaped to fit??? Here’s a closer look at its shape:
Stephen
Hi Stephen,
Thank you very much for your help. This is the reason your blog is my go too for Citizen help and questions, i’m very grateful for your help. I will have a hunt around for a spring or if all else fails get one made and hopefully get this watch moving again.
Always good to help if possible to keep old Citizens running 🙂 Hope you can sort it out – please let us know if you succeed, Stephen
Hi Stephen.
Im asking for help. I have an watch I got for a gift 18 years ago. It’s CITIZEN Alarm Chronograph Model No. AI3XXX / Cal.No.6870
Can you please tell me more about this watch?
Thanks.
Hi Denis, I’m afraid I can’t help much since your watch is much later than the period I have studied, i.e. pre-1980. I’m not sure when they were made, but for technical info here’s the relevant manual for the 6870 movement: http://www.thewatchsite.com/files/Citizen%20Technical%20Manuals/6870.pdf Stephen
I have inherited a watch from my grandfather its citizen automatic 21 jewels some numbers are written on back
6000
4-600983ta
Automatic
40801733
62-6872
Hi Arman, thanks for visiting my blog. Your grandfather’s watch uses the 6000 automatic movement which was made in the 1970s. It is a good quality movement, running at 21,600 beats per hour (6 beats per second) and in good condition can run reliably and very accurately. Besides the movement number, the other information on the case back is the model number – 62-6872, and the case number 4-600983. Given the 6000 number, I believe your watch will have a date window – if it had day and date it would be a 6501. The first three figures in the serial number (40801733) tell us that it was made in August 1974. It can’t be earlier or later than that since this movement was only made in the 1970s. Hope this helps, Stephen
Hi Stephen,
I have inherited a Citizen Quartz C480, originally made in Japan. Markings listed below.
Citizen Watch Co.
Water Resist.
Base Metal YP
C480 – 313887 KA
10501089
GN-0-S
Japan
I’m hoping you can shed some light on the watch as I can’t find this particular C480 model anywhere other than in this manual below. The picture on the first page is the exact same face I have.
I’m particularly interested in the date of manufacture (1981 I think?), a valuation, and any general information.
Any help is greatly appreciated!
Click to access 1827_CitizenC480.pdf
Hi James, I’m afraid I can’t help very much since your watch is much more recent than the time frame I am familiar with. I’m sure it’s not from 1981, so it will be 1991 or it could even be 2001 – I have found a C480 watch for sale that listed it as 2000 to 2010. I don’t attempt to do any valuations, but in general terms second hand quartz models, unless they are very high end super accurate models, do not have great value. Stephen
Hi all,
I have a Citizen watch, which was found in a garage.
The specs are:
Water Resistant
Stainless
3530-351100 TA
5020188
37-1017
GN-4W-S
I would like to know the manufacturing year and optional maybe a guess how much is it worth.
Thanks in advance
Kilian
Hi Kilian, thanks for visiting my blog. Your quartz watch is from a later period thank the one I know best, but I it is from 1985. Some more info here: http://www.thewatchsite.com/15-vintage-watch-review-reviews-vintage-japanese-watches/75770-citizen-quartz-chronograph-cal-3530-1985-a.html
I’m afraid I don’t try to do valuations, although in general terms second hand quartz models don’t have great value unless they are very early/rare and/or very high end super accurate timepieces. Stephen
Thanks so much Stephen!
You’re welcome 🙂
Hello sweephand, Thank you for sharing your knowledged it reall helps us all especially a new collector such as myself. I have a citizens watch and the back is 1032-B00730 M as well as Gn-O-S
Will please help me acquire more knowledge about this watch. Thanks.
Hi James, thanks for visiting my blog and for your kind comment. Unfortunately I am not so familiar with quartz models since they are more recent than the period I know best. Is there a serial number on the back of yours? Here’s the relevant technical manual for the 1032 movement: http://www.thewatchsite.com/files/Citizen%20Technical%20Manuals/1030.pdf Stephen
Hi sweephand im keen on finding out a bit about an old citizen watch i have recently acquired it has 3510-353843 KA on the face but the caseback is for a different model i think the back reads 3560-
Y59308 sj
any info would be great
Cheers
Merl
Hi Merl, thanks for visiting my blog. I don’t have much info on quartz models, but I’ve had a look at other examples on the internet and they seem to be the same as yours – 3510 in the dial code, and 3560 on the back, so it seems ok to me. Here’s the relevant technical manual if you’ve not got it already: http://www.thewatchsite.com/files/Citizen%20Technical%20Manuals/3560.pdf
Stephen
Hello, I recently found your blog when looking for more information of a watch that I fell in love with.
Could you help me please? Thanks in advance.
Front of watch says:
CITIZEN
Automatic
7 Eagle stamp
21 jewels
and time number:
12 marker is 12 golden nuggets
6 marker is 6 golden nuggets
Back of the watch says following:
CITIZEN WATCH CO.
WATER RESIST
STAINLESS
4-823991K
90203572
GN-4-S
JAPAN
9 marker is also 6 gold nuggets, whereas 3 is display of day and date.
Hi Tim, thanks for visiting my blog. Your watch is and Eagle 7 automatic, from February 1989. The 8200 was made for over 30 years, and the Eagle 7’s were introduced in the early 1980s. More info here: https://sweep-hand.org/2013/01/27/the-8200-movement-citizens-standard-auto/
Stephen
Thank you for a quick answer!
It is first time that I own a vintage watch, seller says it is renovated and running good. However how do I ensure it stays in good condition and watch running as it should? Should I avoid taking shower with it even it says it’s water resistant?
You’re welcome 🙂 I would definitely advise not to use in the shower, or for swimming. If renovation has included a service then it should be lubricated properly and should run accurately and reliably. If you are wearing it regularly I would advise a service every few years to keep it in good condition. Here’s the manual with info and instructions: https://citizenshop.me/caliber/8200.pdf
Stephen
Just found this in an old box inside a box never saw it before tonight ….citizens watch company base metal YP 6355-631191TA 081377 japan 12 any info ?
Hi Cyndi, thanks you for visiting my blog. Your watch is a quartz from a more recent period than my collection, so I can’t tell you a huge amount about it. I believe it is from the mid to late 1980s, so with a serial number starting with ‘0’ it is most likely from 1990. Here’s some technical info: http://www.thewatchsite.com/files/Citizen%20Technical%20Manuals/6355.pdf
Stephen
Hi I came by this watch in an op shop for $10 in melbourne Australia. Really liked it so bought it, now I have gotton way too curious about it’s possible age and or aithenticity. All my online research has given me nonsence and uncertain unconfirmable data. So I am hoping you might be able to help. It is a ladies yellow gold coloured Citizen Quartz seven. The face numbers are in roman numerals on a gold back ground. The bottom face has a code partialy hidden by the raised wavy octagonal glass and surround, but I was able to read it with a light and magnifying glass:
MOV’T JAPAN 2030-945571SMS
The back of the watch reads:
CITIZEN
BASE METAL YP
2030-940237 SMW
BX-4321
Thank you for any help
I have also just discovered how to open a watch and found the inscription on the inner workings. no numbers unfortunately just
2030A
TWO2JEWELS
UNADJUSTED
CITIZEN
WATCH CO.
JAPAN
P.S
I have also learned the difference between a quartz tick and a mechanical one and now understand your name “sweephand”
Please forgive me for bombarding you with questions on a quartz, but even if you could point me in the right direction that would be awesome.
Cheers
HT
Hi HT, thanks for visiting my blog. As I think you know my collection and most of my reference material is about mechanical watches earlier than the quartz models, but i can tell you that the 2030 movement was first introduced around 1984, so your watch will be from about that time or within a few years of 1984. For more technical information, here is the relevant manual: http://www.thewatchsite.com/files/Citizen%20Technical%20Manuals/2030.pdf
Stephen
Oh wow thats great news! Thanks heaps Sweephand!
You’re welcome 🙂
Hi!
I found my old watch , I would like to know more about it. I think I buy it ~1985.
Here is the backside tect:
Citizen
BASE METAL YP
6115-59448 SU
0050375 QD 9382
ASSEMBLED IN FR GERMANY
Hi Munjenji, thanks for visiting my blog. Although I’m not an expert on quartz models, the serial number tells me that the watch was most likely made in May, 1990 (from first three figures in the serial number). It couldn’t have been 1980 since this calibre wasn’t in production then – other 6xxx series quartz movements were made in the 1990s. Here’s the relevant technical manual for more information: http://www.thewatchsite.com/files/Citizen%20Technical%20Manuals/6110.pdf
Stephen
Hi, I have a Citizen I’ve had for a long time and which I’d like a bit of additional info on if possible. On the back it says
4-R02092 RC (the model?)
30600691 (serial no?)
GN-4W-S (movement?)
Any info would be great as I’m trying to source a new strap for it
Stuart
Hi Stuart, thanks for visiting my blog. Your watch is an ‘Eagle 7’ with the 8200 auto movement inside. This movement was first made in 1975 or 76, and was produced for over 30 years. It can be difficult therefore to date them – since yours has an ‘R’ in the case number, it is not one of the earlier ones so I think it is most likely from June 1993. More info on the 8200 movement is here: https://sweep-hand.org/?s=standard+auto
I’ve found one example on the web which liiks o have an original bracelet if you want to find a similar one: https://www.gumtree.com/p/watches/citizen-automatic-4-r02092-rw-40908862-gn-4w-s/1129847427
Stephen
WOw thanks stephen great info. I thought about late 80s early 90s so your date sounds about right. The search for a stamp goes on, I may have to buy a generic bracelet and swap the clasp, the only part missing I think
You’re welcome
I just had to comment! I have had mother’s watch (Homer..no band) since she passed in 1989 but I know she has had the watch for years before. So just this Christmas season my 22 year old daughter decided that she wanted to get Grandma’s watch fixed for me (awww)..anyhow its a gold and black face (very chic)..and missing the pin (the winder thingy)..which I hadn’t noticed. The repair lady was as old as dirt (my daughter’s words, not mine) and she looked at her and said, “I haven’t seen a Homer since I was a little girl..I will have to send this out for the part” Well apparently it’s not going to make it back from the “surgeon” for a few weeks and now I am intrigued! I will definitely save this page to come back to because now I need to know if I have a jewel (my father passed away and left an Elgin behind that is an oldie). Thank you for peaking my interest…I will be back with a picture and hopefully more information on it!
Hi Tonja – great to hear that you have your Grandma’s watch. I’m looking forward to seeing it, to see just which model it is and how old as well. I’m afraid you won’t be able to post a pic here directly, but you can post a link if you upload images somewhere. Or I can email you if you prefer so you can send them to me – just let me know. Stephen
Hi please check for me
0096245
36-1020🔜5
4031-506525 SMW
Hi Dharmesh, thanks for visiting my blog. I’m not so familiar with more recent quartz models, but I would guess your watch is from 1990. Stephen
Hello Stephen, I have a very nice Citizen Eagle 7. Here’s the serial number: 022231
Do you think you can say when it was produced? Below link to pictures.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1-X0k4ue7NOGTRL89YMCc0zcHMJ0vpWtc
Hi Adam – the six figure serial number and the super condition indicates this is a later one, so probably 1990. It could even be 2000…. Stephen
Hi, In fact I am not sure if I can leave my comment here in this blog site but let me please ask you a question: I have seen some parawater pieces with the legend “Date Seine” on the dial just like this link shows (I can´t post images directly) https://www.pictaram.org/post/BYSynkMjUZo
At this time this is not in my own (but could be someone similar in red bezel) so any kind of information about it would be much appreciated
Is it a really genuine parawater model? I have not found any catalog or references about it. Thanks in advance
Hi Juan, thanks for visiting my blog. The Date Seine is indeed a genuine model – they are women’s watches and the Date Seine diver with blue or red bezel insert is a very nice model indeed. It’s one of few women’s models that are collected. The 211 movement is a 21 jewelled hand winder, made in the mid to late 1960s. Stephen
Thank you Stephen. Great info
You’re welcome 🙂
Hi stephen,
I Need information about my citizen eagle 7 watch.
On backcase:
4-R11555 RC
680230
GN-4W-S
Thank you so much
Regards
Dwi
Hi Dwi, thanks for visiting my blog. The Eagle 7 watches typically use the 8200 automatic day and date movement. This was first produced around 1975 or 1976 and was in production for over 30 years so it can be difficult to pin down the production date. The style of the case number with ‘R’ in it and the six figure serial number suggest that yours is a later model, so I think it is from 1996. There’s a bit more info on the movement here: https://sweep-hand.org/2013/01/27/the-8200-movement-citizens-standard-auto/
Stephen
Hello,
I am hoping you can help me date my Citizen railroad approved watch that i got as a birthday gift. The back reads:
Citizen Watch Co.
Water Resist
Stainless
6000-S14315 SMT
58(or 6 possibly)5950
GN-4W-S
Many thanks for any light you might be able to shed!
Hi Jac – thanks for visiting my blog. This is the quartz version of the railroad watch I guess, with the 6000 quartz module. This movement is listed in a 1991 catalogue I have, but not this model. I’ve seen railroad models with other movements for example a 6100 from 1992. I don’t know when the 6000 was first made, so yours could be from 1985, otherwise it would be 1995. Which fits best with your birthday year? Stephen
1985! That’s brilliant, thanks so much for your help.
You’re welcome 🙂
Hello,
I inherited a citizen parawater automatic 21 jewel watch with the following information
on the back:
GN-1-S
CGP
4-721039 Y
11130105
67-5440
Can you please tell me anything about it?
Hi Wade, thanks for visiting my blog. Your watch is a Seven Star model, made in November 1971. If it doesn’t have ‘Seven Star’ on the dial, then it is an export model – the dials were often simplified compared to the models made for the Japanese domestic market. The 72 movement, probably a 7270 version in yours, was first made at the very end of the 1960s and into the early 1970s. It runs at 21,600 beats per hour which was a step up from its predecessor, the 52 series, which ran at 18,000 beats per hour. The markings on the back are:
GN-1-S is the case type, indicating a water resistant design with a screw down back
CGP = Citizen Gold Plate, to show the case finish
4-721039 is the case number, which also helps identify the movement – ‘Y’ may be a factory code, but this is something I’m not sure of yet.
11130105 is the serial number, and the first three figures give the production date – this movement wasn’t made as early as 1961, nor as late as 1981, so it must be ’71
67-5440 is the model number, which is not very much use these days, but in this case (bad pun!) I have a scan of a 1974 German brochure showing this model at bottom left:
Stephen
Hi Stephen,
Cool blog you have, recentlyI’ve bought a watch for 8 bucks at a garage sale. It has the original band and the dial looks great, only thing is that the glass is heavily scratched maybe I get it repaired since it hold good time and looks cool imo.. But anyway do you have some information about it?
Citizen 7 Automatic
Red eagle.
2. Jewels
4-038843 smt
11292706
GN-4-S
Japan
Many thanks in advance!
Hi Rob, thanks for visiting my blog. Your watch is one of |Citizen’s eagle 7 range, which use their 8200 movement. This was first made around 1976 and was in production for over 30 years, so it can be difficult to pin down a production date. Yours is probably from 1981. Here’s more info on the movement: https://sweep-hand.org/2013/01/27/the-8200-movement-citizens-standard-auto/
Stephen
Hi Stephen, I’ve read the info over the artical, Very interesting to read something about this watch, it’s very reliable indeed after using it for a week. I thought it was more 70’s because of it’s bulky looks, but 1981 is almost 70’s =)
How can you tell if it’s the original bracelet?
I’m really beginning to love this model.
Thanks for all the info and all the best,
Rob
Hi,
I bought a Citizen automatic 21 jewel watch.
The markings on the reverse:
ALL STAINLESS STEEL
WATER RESISTANT
CITIZEN WATCH CO.
4-063194 SMK
91100921
GN-4-S
71-2078
I was wondering if you could provide me with any information about the watch and if you have an image of one I would be grateful as my watch has a poor quality replacement strap which I would like to swap.
Hi Jay, sorry for my late reply,due to my holiday. Thanks for visiting my blog. It looks like you have an 8200 movement in your watch – possibly an Eagle 7 if it has an Eagle motif on the dial. I’m afraid I don’t have any images of your particular one, the best I can do is show you some examples from a 1979 catalog:
More info on the 8200 auto is here:
Stephen
I have a Citizen watch, the face is blue, 3 small dials, it reads on Front Citizen Alarm Chronograph WR-100, on back are the numbers 8A3-6850-681892-TA, where can I find a manual to set the various functions as well as time. I received it as a gift around 1993
Thanks
Walt Kaiser.
Hi Walt, thanks for visiting my blog. Here’s the relevant technical manual for calibre 6850: https://www.thewatchsite.com/files/Citizen%20Technical%20Manuals/6850.pdf Stephen
Hi Stephen I have just acquired a Citizen watch & wondered if you could help me with a date on the back it reads
Citizen Watch co
Water Resist
Base ST. Steel
4-S82493 HSE
110107
Gn-4w-s
Its an automatic with the winder at the bottom right with day /date
Thank you
Hi Ronald, thanks for visiting my blog. Your watch has the 8200 movement inside, a calibre that was made for over 30 years so they can be hard to date. The ‘S’ in the case number and the six figure serial number indicate it is a later one, so I reckon it’s from 1991. Stephen
hi recently i bought a citizen watch N-8200-R89241-WL does citizen really produced if they does what year is it
Hi Ahmad, thanks for visiting my blog. Is that number from the dial on your watch? If so that is a part number for the dial – I need the serial number from the case back to try and identify the year of production. Please let me know what is stamped on the back, thanks. Stephen
This is what is on the back.
Citizen
4-610148 t
Parawater
Stainless steel
00401190
64-8531
Hi Eric, thanks for visiting my blog. Your watch was made in April 1970. Hope this is the info you wanted, Stephen
Hi Stephen, I’ve enjoyed your blog a great deal and it’s been fun learning about my new (old) Citizen automatic watch. Unfortunately mine has no visible serial number. Maybe it’s just a budget model and does not have one, or perhaps it’s inside the caseback and not visible without removal. The face says Citizen automatic and has a mysterious crown-like image.
On the face: Japan 6000-602975-Y
Caseback: 62-8778
4-601211K
Any idea about the crown image? From the information you’ve shared with others I’m guessing the manufacture date would be after 1973 since “water resistant” is used instead of “para water.”
I’m including a link to a site where I found images of the exact same watch. Apparently it’s a 17 jewel movement. How does this one compare to the 21 jewel movement?
Thanks!
Hi Chrissy, sorry for not replying sooner – I’ll be able to respond properly at the weekend. Stephen
Thanks a lot for your help. I have figured out that the “crown” logo is a stylized “17” that likely indicates jewel count.
Also wondering how you describe the water resistance of these vintage watches. Is it a bad idea to leave on wrist when bathing?
Hi Chrissy, thanks for visiting my blog, and good to read that you have found it useful 🙂 Last question first – do not risk getting the watch wet at all, just not worth it since resistance my not be what it originally was! Your watch has the 6001 date movement and was probably made around 1974/5. Not sure why there’s no serial number, it’s not a basic entry grade watch. I’m interested in the dial logo, since another example of these I have seen has no dial logo, only ‘Citizen’ and ’21 jewels’. Can you post a link to pics, it’s not in your previous comment here. Stephen
Hi – and thank you for the reply. The “crown” is made of the number 17 with each digit angled away from eachother at the top. Five small circles are arranged above in an arc, the one in the middle is a little larger. The effect is similar to the 7 Star logo but in this case the number is 17 and applied directly to the watch face in black print.
I think I know the logo, but I can’t find an example – have you a photo you can post a link to? Stephen
Hi, I can’t host my own photos but found the logo on some watches sold through online auction sites. I hope at least one of these links works for you. I googled ‘citizen 6000 automatic’ and found several examples when I select to view images matching the search. All the examples I found also lack a serial number and also don’t have the word “citizen” on the back case. My watch does not have a quickset date function, so perhaps it’s broken or isn’t supposed to have one. I’m eager to know if you think this is a particular model variant with the logo and no serial number!
https://webimg.secondhandapp.com/w-i-mgl/5cacb21f636e0706b0e6765b
https://auction.catawiki.com/kavels/3929551-citizen-ref-6000-mens-wristwatch-1960s
https://produto.mercadolivre.com.br/MLB-780337995-relogio-de-pulso-masculino-citizen-automatic-vintage-_JM
https://auction.catawiki.com/kavels/8208667-citizen-automatic-men-s-wristwatch-1970s
thanks Chrissy – it is indeed the logo I was thinking of. Since it’s a 6001 movement, I’m pretty sure it should have a quick-set date. My guess is that these were perhaps export models, and maybe late in the production run in the mid 1970s when Citizen went for the, then, new quartz technology. They might have been assembled in Mexico or Germany where Citizen had factories. Stephen
hey I have one that’s never been worn and is at least 25 years old with the owner papers un filled but I wanted to know more about the watches before I sell it or keep it maybe can anyone help mw with this
Hi Jason, thanks for visiting my blog – you’ll need to tell me which model it is. Let me know what the case back markings are, and what’s on the dial. Thanks, Stephen
Hello Stephen, a friend of mine is selling a Titanium Citizen promaster Autowind. The number on the back is 820S S82205 HSF GN-4-S JAPAN. Is it any good? He thinks its about 15-20 years old. How can I tell if it still runs okee. And than there is the question, what do I give for it. I would like to give a fair price. Hope you can help me out : ) Kind regards, Roger
Hi Roger, thanks for visiting blog. This is a more modern watch than I am familiar with, but the 8200 auto movement is a decent calibre and can run very reliably and accurately. If your friend can confirm that it is keeping good time, preferably within +/- 10 seconds per day, that the day and date set properly, and that it has a power reserve of 40+ hours, then it should be ok. The power reserve is measured when the watch is fully wound but then is left unworn (i.e. off the wrist and kept still) and unwound to see how long it runs until it stops. I can’t help with value I’m afraid, I suggest Googling for the same model to see what they go for, being careful to check they are in similar condition. Stephen
Hello Stephen, I was just trying to clarify the model of my citizen watch on the back it says 2510-S038346 in small writing and the numbers 730118. Hope you can help me out. Thanks Matthew
Hi Matthew, thanks for visiting my blog. Citizen made a manual winding movement in the 1970s designated 2510, and later they made a quartz movement with the same designation. I think yours is the quartz version. It’s probably not got a model name if there’s nothing other than Citizen on the dial. If it is the quartz one, here is the relevant technical manual: https://www.thewatchsite.com/files/Citizen%20Technical%20Manuals/2510.pdf
Stephen
Hi there!
I came across your blog and was curious if you can help me. I’ve tried finding this watch I got from my mom (purchased 30 years ago) but no luck so far.
It’s a citizen gold watch with these numbers on the back;
serial number 3220-s19520, SMW
2075330.
Thanks for your help,
Kind regards,
Alice
Hi Alice, thanks for visiting my blog. Yours is a women’s watch of course, and the case number tells us that it has a 3220 quartz movement inside. I know that this movement was in production in 1991 since it features in a catalogue from that year, so yours is most likely from July 1992 – the first three figures in the serial number (207) tell us this. The movement was designed to give an accuracy of +/- 20 seconds per month. I can’t tell you anything more I’m afraid – my reference material mostly relates to older mechanical pieces. Stephen
Thank you very much for your reply!
Best regards,
Alice
You’re welcome Alice
Hello, I wonder if you can help me, please?
I have a Citizen GN-4W-S 4-R02092 RC. It’s a gold eagle 7 with the fluted bezel. Anyway, I’m trying to fit a new crystal as the one it had when I received it is cracked. Do you know the crystal size by any chance? I’ve ordered a 28x1mm double domed sapphire and can’t for the life of me get it to fit!
Any help would be much appreciated!
Many thanks
James
Hi James, thanks for visiting my blog. I’m afraid I can’t help with dimensions. The crystal part number is 54-R0052 so you may be able to find an original replacement somewhere. Stephen
Thank you for the reply, very much appreciated.
James
you’re welcome 🙂
I have an all stainless steel citizen watch, water resistant 4-231004 KT
40702286
71-2612
Please indicate its value
Tks
Hi Ricardo, thanks for visiting my blog. As this is an information/reference blog for collectors, I don’t try to do valuations. Since this is an Eagle 7 model, it won’t have a high value – I’d advise that you Google the model number and see if you can find a similar model that has been sold or is for sale. Stephen
Hello Stephen, I hope you are well! I am looking for information about my watch Citizen 6110 R03070 KY and I did not find too much online.
If you have some information about this watch , please let me know!
Thank you
Artur
Stephan,
May I ask for some help with IDing my watch?
Citizen Alarm Chronograph
Elegance Signature
6870-H24423 Y
020509
Japan
GN-0-5->9
Thank you.
David Freiboth
Seattle
Hi David, thanks for visiting my blog. I’m afraid I can’t tell you much more than you know already, since it is from a later period than my collection. The 68xx movements appeared in the early 1990s as far as I can tell, but I don’t know how long they were in production. They were the immediate successor to the 67 movement which was in the Super Avalon models. Around 1991/92, the 68 movements were designated 6810 to 6830, so yours is later than those – my best guess is that it is from 2000. Lots of tech info is available in the relevant manual: https://www.manualslib.com/manual/912457/Citizen-6870.html#manual
Stephen
My mistake in terms of the scope of your research. Thanks anyway for the link to the manual.
You’re welcome 🙂
Hello,
I am not sure if you would be able to help me with this question but I am looking to buy myself a watch for the year that I was born and would like to you if you had a Catalog from 1990. As a fellow Citizen collector I have the 1991 Catalog and the one before that is a 1979 but I do not have my year. If you have it or know where I can look through one please let me know.
Hi Oleg, I’m afraid I only have the same catalogues as you. I would think the 1991 catalogue would be a good place to start though – some of the models shown in there might well have 1990 serial numbers. Stephen
Hi Stephen,
Any ideas to the year of this watch?
Back:
4710-Y53491 SJ
9030251
QF0042
Assembled in FR Germany
Front:
Japan 4710-470416 KA
(with todays date at the bottom of the face)
Many thanks
Hi Brett, your watch is more recent than my reference material I’m afraid so I can’t be sure of th production date. Having found an example on the web, I would think if could be March 1989 – that would be the earliest, and more likely than 1999 in my opinion. Stephen
Hello friend ,
Recently my uncle gave me a citizen winding watch which he can’t wear anymore bc of Parkinson’s and told me it’s been around 50 years. So I would like to know more about the exact model, manufacturing year and month. Hope you can help me. Thank you!
following are written in the backside :
Japan
citizen watch co.
water resist
stainless
4-038843 smt
6 1 1 2 7 5 7 5
GN-4-S
Apologies for the delay in approving this comment. Your watch is one of the Eagle 7 models, using the 8200 auto movement. This movement was produced from around 1976 and remained in production for 30 years or more. The Eagle 7’s first appeared in te early 1980s, and I think yours is from 1986. GN-4-S is the case type (water resistant with screw down back). 4-038843 is the case number, and is typical of an Eagle 7 model. The serial number indicates production in November 1986 (‘611…’), so it’s getting on for 40 years old. More on the movment here: https://sweep-hand.org/2013/01/27/the-8200-movement-citizens-standard-auto/